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Bush rejects hurricane aid
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The Chosen One
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xsarien said:I <3 The Daily Show
Oh man, that's just hilarious! Is that from tonight's episode? I'll DVR it if so.
Warm Machine
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Cuba is pretty damn close to the US so aid from them would arrive quite quickly.
norinrad21
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xsarien said:I <3 The Daily Show
this was really on tv? :lol :lol :lol :lol
To be absolutely fair, Cuba rejected aid from the US last year when Hurricane Ivan hit. But then NO ONE DIED during the hurricane, so I guess it's not a fair comparision in accepting help.
Just dug this up too.
Cuba mostly spared Ivan's Wrath
A few select quotes:
And the one that hurts most of all:
I mean COME ON, that's just rubbing it in now... if Ivan didn't take place A YEAR AGO.
Just dug this up too.
Cuba mostly spared Ivan's Wrath
A few select quotes:
And the one that hurts most of all:
I mean COME ON, that's just rubbing it in now... if Ivan didn't take place A YEAR AGO.
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Raoul Duke said:
You've learned your lesson. Next time, post an article from Foxnews or forget it.
norinrad21
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http://www.thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline
heh, W should step down instead of trying to talk his way out of the whole thing.
heh, W should step down instead of trying to talk his way out of the whole thing.
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Raoul Duke said:
You go man. If you can convince 2 more people that GWB is fucking batty, then at least thats 2 more people that know that GWB is fucking batty.
norinrad21
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While King George was on vacation, the man who invented the internet was out there given a helping hand.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2005/09/man-we-elected-president-in-2000.html
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2005/09/man-we-elected-president-in-2000.html
norinrad21 said:
Yup the only news article I've seen referencing it is...
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_72002.asp
Al Gore Paid For Refugees' Flight To Chattanooga
posted September 6, 2005
The refugees who were flown from New Orleans to Chattanooga on Sunday had a well-known person along.
Former Vice President Al Gore and his son were on the chartered flight.
"I understand that Vice President Gore paid for everything," Todd Womack of the mayor's office said.
Sheriff John Cupp said he spoke briefly with Mr. Gore.
He said, "He was not visiting with the media. He was busy working to help the refugees."
Sheriff Cupp said it was an American Airlines plane, and he said a number of American Airlines attendants were along to help.
and
http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=3811127
CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. Officials in Chattanooga, Tennessee, say they expect a thousand more storm refugees tomorrow.
A United Way official says people rescued after Hurricane Katrina will be housed at Red Cross shelters throughout the city.
About 130 hurricane refugees arrived in Chattanooga Sunday on a plane chartered by former Vice President Al Gore.
United Way says more volunteers are needed as are new or nearly new baby beds.
bob_arctor
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Guileless said:
Shut the fuck up already.
I guess the reason for rejecting aid (from Sweden, not these sarcastic offers from some places) is that they want to get all the rebuilding done by American companies, which will no doubt help balance at least part of the damage Katrina has done to the economy, even if it does mean it takes a little longer.
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xsarien said:
Which is a whole different problem this country has.
WrathOfOtaibah
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I heard Iran offered help and was denied. They even offered oil.
http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/afx/2005/09/08/afx2214208.html
US to buy Venezuelan gasoline, mull Cuban offer of doctors
09.08.2005, 04:22 PM
WASHINGTON (AFX) - The US will pay for gasoline Venezuela offered after Hurricane Katrina cut US production, and will examine whether Cuban doctors can work on US soil without US certification, a top US diplomat said Thursday. ...
Interesting...
US to buy Venezuelan gasoline, mull Cuban offer of doctors
09.08.2005, 04:22 PM
WASHINGTON (AFX) - The US will pay for gasoline Venezuela offered after Hurricane Katrina cut US production, and will examine whether Cuban doctors can work on US soil without US certification, a top US diplomat said Thursday. ...
Interesting...
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DarienA said:
Indeed. Seems like a way to keep Venezuela at arms length (or so to speak) while still getting much needed fuel. Still seems incredibly stubborn, but the reasoning I at least can understand.
They'd better. Everyday there's a new Beeb story about refugees who can't get medical help b/c there aren't enough facilities or doctors. The triage were marking people who could be helped. One doctor said that a close-head injury, which could normally be treated by rushing someone to an ER, just can't take top priority b/c of the lack of facilities and staff. So people are still dying from shit that can be fixed. Cuba offered mobile hospitals and doctors. They always send this stuff to the islands. It would be assinine to deny that. They can turn back funding if they like, but you can't deny medical staff. That's just an insult to the people who need it. PEACE.DarienA said:
Alcibiades
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I don't think even if he accepted their offers it would make much difference... we already have a lot of help and people giving tons and volunteering...
what is needed it's organization, because everything came so fast (I remember hearing about it less than a day before it struck and I'm close to east Texas) I don't think anyone was prepared for something this big and now everything is a big mess... maybe it's because I was busy with school, but I was under the impression that it had hit Florida and weakened off into the US or something, so when I heard about it was like woah... WTF.... now we have people arriving to our school and churches like so quickly it's amazing... the organization around here aren't even 100% what to do, like when people will arrive, how many, where they are from, dangerous or not, etc... it's such a mess since there isn't one huge refugee camp and everybody just sort of did their own thing and the government has way to much going on to keep track of millions... my point is organization and structure is needed more than material and volunteering at this point...
basically help from these dictators seems like more trouble than it's worth... it wouldn't be a blip in terms of help (in other words it's not gonna help with the problems we have now) and they'd get to use it as propaganda...
what is needed it's organization, because everything came so fast (I remember hearing about it less than a day before it struck and I'm close to east Texas) I don't think anyone was prepared for something this big and now everything is a big mess... maybe it's because I was busy with school, but I was under the impression that it had hit Florida and weakened off into the US or something, so when I heard about it was like woah... WTF.... now we have people arriving to our school and churches like so quickly it's amazing... the organization around here aren't even 100% what to do, like when people will arrive, how many, where they are from, dangerous or not, etc... it's such a mess since there isn't one huge refugee camp and everybody just sort of did their own thing and the government has way to much going on to keep track of millions... my point is organization and structure is needed more than material and volunteering at this point...
basically help from these dictators seems like more trouble than it's worth... it wouldn't be a blip in terms of help (in other words it's not gonna help with the problems we have now) and they'd get to use it as propaganda...
Raoul Duke said:
first off stop blaming bush for the hurricane here ill explain why:
A hurricane is a tropical storm with winds that have reached a constant speed of 74 miles per hour or more. Hurricane winds blow in a large spiral around a relative calm center known as the "eye." The "eye" is generally 20 to 30 miles wide, and the storm may extend outward 400 miles. As a hurricane approaches, the skies will begin to darken and winds will grow in strength. As a hurricane nears land, it can bring torrential rains, high winds, and storm surges. A single hurricane can last for more than 2 weeks over open waters and can run a path across the entire length of the eastern seaboard. August and September are peak months during the hurricane season that lasts from June 1 through November 30.
The center, or eye, of a hurricane is relatively calm. The most violent activity takes place in the area immediately around the eye, called the eyewall. At the top of the eyewall (about 50,000 feet), most of the air is propelled outward, increasing the air's upward motion. Some of the air, however, moves inward and sinks into the eye, creating a cloud-free area.
Tropical cyclones are classified as follows:
Tropical Depression - An organized system of clouds and thunderstorms with a defined circulation and maximum sustained winds of 38 mph (33 knots) or less.
Tropical Storm - An organized system of strong thunderstorms with a defined circulation and maximum sustained winds of 39 to 73 mph (34-63 knots).
Hurricane - An intense tropical weather system with a well-defined circulation and maximum sustained winds of 74 mph (64 knots) or higher. Hurricanes are called "typhoons" in the western Pacific, while similar storms in the Indian Ocean are called "cyclones."
Hurricanes form in the Atlantic Ocean, Gulf of Mexico, Indian Ocean, Caribbean Sea and Pacific Ocean. Hurricane winds in the Northern Hemisphere circulate in a counterclockwise motion around the hurricane's center or "eye," while hurricane winds in the Southern Hemisphere circulate clockwise. Natural phenomena, which affect a storm, include temperature of the water, the Gulf Stream, and steering wind currents. Powered by heat from the sea, they are steered by the easterly trade winds and the temperate westerlies as well as by their own ferocious energy. Around their core, winds grow with great velocity, generating violent seas. Moving ashore, they sweep the ocean inward while spawning tornadoes and producing torrential rains and floods.
In the eastern Pacific, hurricanes begin forming by mid-May, while in the Atlantic, Caribbean, and Gulf of Mexico, hurricane development starts in June. For the United States, the peak hurricane threat exists from mid-August to late October although the official hurricane season extends through November. Over other parts of the world, such as the western Pacific, hurricanes can occur year-round. Areas in the United States vulnerable to hurricanes include the Atlantic and Gulf coasts from Texas to Maine, the territories in the Caribbean, and tropical areas of the western Pacific, including Hawaii, Guam, American Samoa, and Saipan.
so you see bush didnt make the hurricane, kids
if you want to blame someone on all the death, then blame the people who didnt leave:
DURING A HURRICANE WATCH
(A Hurricane Watch is issued when there is a threat of hurricane conditions within 24-36 hours.)
Listen to a battery-operated radio or television for hurricane progress reports.
Check emergency supplies.
Fuel car.
Bring in outdoor objects such as lawn furniture, toys, and garden tools and anchor objects that cannot be brought inside.
Secure buildings by closing and boarding up windows. Remove outside antennas.
Turn refrigerator and freezer to coldest settings. Open only when absolutely necessary and close quickly.
Store drinking water in clean bathtubs, jugs, bottles, and cooking utensils.
Store valuables and personal papers in a waterproof container on the highest level of your home.
Review evacuation plan.
Moor boat securely or move it to a designated safe place. Use rope or chain to secure boat to trailer. Use tiedowns to anchor trailer to the ground or house.
DURING A HURRICANE WARNING
(A Hurricane Warning is issued when hurricane conditions (winds of 74 miles per hour or greater, or dangerously high water and rough seas) are expected in 24 hours or less.)
Listen constantly to a battery-operated radio or television for official instructions.
If in a mobile home, check tiedowns and evacuate immediately.
Avoid elevators.
If at home:
Stay inside, away from windows, skylights, and glass doors.
Keep a supply of flashlights and extra batteries handy. Avoid open flames, such as candles and kerosene lamps, as a source of light.
If power is lost, turn off major appliances to reduce power "surge" when electricity is restored.
If officials indicate evacuation is necessary:
Leave as soon as possible. Avoid flooded roads and watch for washed-out bridges.
Secure your home by unplugging appliances and turning off electricity and the main water valve.
Tell someone outside of the storm area where you are going.
If time permits, and you live in an identified surge zone, elevate furniture to protect it from flooding or better yet, move it to a higher floor.
Take pre-assembled emergency supplies, warm protective clothing, blankets and sleeping bags to shelter.
Lock up home and leave.
oh, and he has excepted aid from China and Japan
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seems like people are more pissed with piss poor management and failure of foresight, than the actual natural event...
yes, but bush is not to be blamed, the LOCAL government starting with the Mayor of Lake New Orleans should have taken precautionary measures before the storm, even though he did order a Mandatory Evac, you have to enforce it. its like Silver Surfer issue no. 5. they ordered that the Overlord be banned but they didnt enforce the ban so he took over the Universe and... uh oh... my nerd got out.....
but it boils down to the people in the end, had i lived in New Orleans, and i knew there was a hurricane coming with winds up to 210 km/h i would have crawled out if i had to, but you have these people who think they are invincible and stay, then they get killed
I WILL NOT AID STUPIDITY
but it boils down to the people in the end, had i lived in New Orleans, and i knew there was a hurricane coming with winds up to 210 km/h i would have crawled out if i had to, but you have these people who think they are invincible and stay, then they get killed
I WILL NOT AID STUPIDITY
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Fatriani said:
well its good to knwo that Bush will step in over the local government when the life of one braindead white woman is at stake, but doesn't give a shit when it comes to potentially saving thousands of lives. Too bad all those people in NOLA weren't in persistent vegetative states, then maybe Dubya would have done something.
Ok this will be fun.
No one is stupid enough to blame the actual hurricane on anyone. People are placing blame in:
- inadequate levee system that was underfunded in the federal budget.
- bad policies accelerating coastal wetland erosion and reducing natural protection against storm surges.
- Lack of urgency in which the Bush administration acted when it became evident it was going to a catastrophic disaster.
- Lack of follow-through on any evacuation plan (if there was one) when a mandatory evacuation was ordered.
- Appointment of an utterly inept FEMA director that had NO qualifications for the task at hand.
- Reducing FEMA from a cabinet level agency and underfunded it in favor of counterterrorism.
- The obliviousness of the president and his staff in realizing the extent of the disaster, making stupid jokes, and photo ops without any constructive aid.
- Lack of leadership in the early days of the disaster when there were resources closeby that could be immediately be utilized to SAVE LIVES.
And now evidently any criticism leveled at the federal response is either deflected away to the state and local level, OR directed to the "Blame game" bullshit. The president of the United States has a DIRECT IMPACT on all of these above issues. Doesn't matter if he's a democrat OR republican, if Clinton responded the way he did, I would be pissed off as well. I think Olbermann on MSNBC said it best, in forgetting or neglecting public safety (especially when he was elected because he said Americans would be protected), "the current administration did not merely damage itself — it damaged our confidence in our ability to rely on whoever is in the White House."
Yes. Blame the 100,000 people who have NO CAR, NO MONEY, AND NO PLACE TO GO. Blame the people that live from paycheck to paycheck to just pick up and leave in their fancy non-existent SUV's and drive out of the city. Blame the people who were TOLD by officals to head to the Superdome as a shelter if they didn't have a way to get out. Blame the elderly in retirement homes and the sick in hospitals. WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU LEAVE THE CITY, YOU DECREPIT GIMPED DUMBASSES?!
Usually not a word nazi, but I'm fucking livid. it's ACCEPTED, not excepted.
Fatriani said:
No one is stupid enough to blame the actual hurricane on anyone. People are placing blame in:
- inadequate levee system that was underfunded in the federal budget.
- bad policies accelerating coastal wetland erosion and reducing natural protection against storm surges.
- Lack of urgency in which the Bush administration acted when it became evident it was going to a catastrophic disaster.
- Lack of follow-through on any evacuation plan (if there was one) when a mandatory evacuation was ordered.
- Appointment of an utterly inept FEMA director that had NO qualifications for the task at hand.
- Reducing FEMA from a cabinet level agency and underfunded it in favor of counterterrorism.
- The obliviousness of the president and his staff in realizing the extent of the disaster, making stupid jokes, and photo ops without any constructive aid.
- Lack of leadership in the early days of the disaster when there were resources closeby that could be immediately be utilized to SAVE LIVES.
And now evidently any criticism leveled at the federal response is either deflected away to the state and local level, OR directed to the "Blame game" bullshit. The president of the United States has a DIRECT IMPACT on all of these above issues. Doesn't matter if he's a democrat OR republican, if Clinton responded the way he did, I would be pissed off as well. I think Olbermann on MSNBC said it best, in forgetting or neglecting public safety (especially when he was elected because he said Americans would be protected), "the current administration did not merely damage itself — it damaged our confidence in our ability to rely on whoever is in the White House."
Yes. Blame the 100,000 people who have NO CAR, NO MONEY, AND NO PLACE TO GO. Blame the people that live from paycheck to paycheck to just pick up and leave in their fancy non-existent SUV's and drive out of the city. Blame the people who were TOLD by officals to head to the Superdome as a shelter if they didn't have a way to get out. Blame the elderly in retirement homes and the sick in hospitals. WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU LEAVE THE CITY, YOU DECREPIT GIMPED DUMBASSES?!
Usually not a word nazi, but I'm fucking livid. it's ACCEPTED, not excepted.
BorkBork said:
Survival of the fittest, bru.... it goes to show you that you can only count on yourself, if your old and sick, you can atleast have the comfort that your life was taken violently by a badass hurricane insead of diabetes like a pussy.
but my face is red for the accepted/excepted thing....ouch...
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5 posts in a row has to mean something.
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mrklaw said:
Refusing the help is more of a political gesture than accepting it.
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And those without the means to evacuate? Those with the sick & infirm?
They should have been evacuated period, not 'given advice to leave'.
Where were they supposed to go to exactly? - Evidently not the 'Dome.
I wouldn't have been surprised if some of those in the poorer parts didn't have the luxury of electricity.
All of which cost money - Where is the care for the poor in this case?
See point one.
Insulting advice at best, fucking degrading, full of assumptions and caters only to those of means.
Fucking tool.
http://www.fema.gov/hazards/hurricanes/whatshouldido.shtm#during2
heres my source for the dissected evac plan for you vennt, it probably makes sense huh?
heres my source for the dissected evac plan for you vennt, it probably makes sense huh?
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