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Based on discriminatory laws in said states.

http://www.travelpulse.com/news/imp...bans-official-travel-to-four-more-states.html

California attorney general Xavier Becerra has banned all state-funded and state-sponsored travel to Alabama, Kentucky, South Dakota and Texas, citing new state laws the Golden State has deemed "discriminatory."

The Attorney General's office said Texas' House Bill 3859 enacted last week "allows foster care agencies to discriminate against children in foster care and potentially disqualify LGBT families from the state's foster and adoption system."

According to the Texas Tribune, the ban means that California agencies, departments, public universities, commissions and boards won't be able to pay for their employees or members to travel to Texas for work-related trips.

A new California law that went into effect Jan. 1 grants Becerra authority to issue the ban.

Nonetheless, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott doesn't appear too concerned.

"California may be able to stop their state employees but they can't stop all the businesses that are fleeing over taxation and regulation and relocating to Texas," his spokesman John Wittman told the Tribune.

California now bans state-funded travel to eight states altogether, including Kansas, Mississippi, North Carolina and Tennessee.

 

[M52B28]

According to the Texas Tribune, the ban means that California agencies, departments, public universities, commissions and boards won't be able to pay for their employees or members to
travel to Texas for work-related trips.

I don't know if I read this wrong, but holy fuck.

 

[Damaniel]

They should just block travel to the entire south and save some time.

 

[Pastry]

I get the message but it seems like it's going to punish people in Cali more than it does Texas. There are tons of conferences, universities, research centers, etc in Texas that are pretty important and now anyone associated with the state of California either can't visit them or has to foot the bill.

Like what if scientists from UCLA need to go to NASA or something like that.

 

[PBY]

This is honestly way jumping the gun


But shit this feels the closest in my lifetime to a real splitting of the union.

 

[entremet]

I don't know if I read this wrong, but holy fuck.

I think the sentiment is sound. Those laws are horrible, but it's a tricky way of dealing with it

Sadly, SCOTUS is shite, so the courts have allowed these horrible laws.

 

[Damaniel]

I get the message but it seems like it's going to punish people in Cali more than it does Texas. There are tons of conferences, universities, research centers, etc in Texas that are pretty important.

Sometimes you have to take a stand when red states do stupid things, and I say that as someone who has attended multiple conferences in Texas over the years.

 

[boiled goose]

Not sure I agree. This might punish individuals more than states

Conferences, etc are held all over the place.

 

[Jeels]

Texan here, screw Greg Abbot. A monster.

But this thing hurts California more than it affects Texas.

 

[entremet]

Not sure I agree. This might punish individuals more than states

Conferences, etc are held all over the place.

There are some exemptions:

The potential impact of California's ban on the four states is uncertain because a California law allows exceptions on travel for contracts that are already in place. According to the Sacramento Bee, there are also exemptions for law enforcement, tax auditors and training events that are required for grants.

 

[HStallion]

California should just bus all their homeless to those states if they really want to fuck with them.

Spoiler

I'm not serious that's a terrible practice.

 

[The Jackdog]

ive said it before.

we are in the middle or start of a cold civil war.

 

[PandaPandaPanda]

This is honestly way jumping the gun


But shit this feels the closest in my lifetime to a real splitting of the union.

Splitting the union would be really, really bad. At the same time, i'm tired of GOP and their bullshit.

 

[Price Dalton]

I wonder if this extends to state-sponsored travel to countries with harsh LGBT laws.

 

[jph139]

If California is the only one doing this, it mostly just fucks over California.

If they manage to start a trend among left-leaning states? Then you've got a stew going.

 

[The Albatross]

Sucks for any state university travel to, say, Austin or any of the other major tech universities in Texas. I'm sure there are exceptions, but that sort of misses the point if there are exceptions.

 

[Maxinas]

Splitting the union would be really, really bad. At the same time, i'm tired of GOP and their bullshit.

This right fucking here. Why do you want the GOP to gain more power than they already have? The only way to stop those fuckers is to stand against them not cut ties.

 

[entremet]

If California is the only one doing this, it mostly just fucks over California.

If they manage to start a trend among left-leaning states? Then you've got a stew going.

NY banned non-essential government travel to NC.

http://www.hrc.org/blog/new-york-governor-cuomo-reaffirms-ban-on-official-travel-to-north-carolina

 

[Pandora012]

NY banned non-essential government travel to NC.

http://www.hrc.org/blog/new-york-governor-cuomo-reaffirms-ban-on-official-travel-to-north-carolina

Yup, it's a bitch to deal with since most people don't pay attention and then get upset when they don't get reimbursed.

 

[Speevy]

I don't get it. Don't you generally do something like this to force some kind of action?

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Any ban on Idaho?

 

[Trace]

Well at least someone is doing something about it. Good on California for standing up for what they believe in.

 

[GK86]

I have banned myself from visiting those states plus more.

 

[brian577]

ive said it before.

we are in the middle or start of a cold civil war.

Save your fear mongering and take a dose of reality.

Never thought I'd see the day when California of all states would screw over its own employees.

 

[Pandora012]

I don't know if I read this wrong, but holy fuck.

You didn't, if they are using state/local funds they won't be reimbursed.

 

[WeAreStarStuff]

This union of ours is done. I honestly believe this.

 

[polyh3dron]

My former congressman. <3

 

[brian577]

This union of ours is done. I honestly believe this.

Then you need to get your head out of your ass and realize one event does not mean the end of everything.

 

[Widdle Puppy]

I want to see California secede and be it's own country.

 

[ramuh]

It's only a matter of time before California will leave the Union. Can you imagine a California Armed Forces? Crazy. I think they should leave.

 

[Pastry]

Do people actually think California leaving would be a good idea? It would be a disaster for everyone involved. Economically, culturally, it would just be a shitshow. Not that the federal government would allow it anyway.

 

[Raven117]

Please...Please California. You are not going far enough. Please ban all folks from your state to coming to Texas. We are tired of you. You have ruined a great city (Austin).

California is a beautiful state..Stay there.

It's only a matter of time before California will leave the Union. Can you imagine a California Armed Forces? Crazy. I think they should leave.

California isn't going anywhere. Same when Texas wanted to succeed.

Its just a bunch of B.S.

 

[SolarPowered]

Can't say I blame them lol.

I want to see California secede and be it's own country.

I don't as a New Yorker. This country is done without California. I don't know why any major blue states would stay in a union without California.

 

[WeAreStarStuff]

Then you need to get your head out of your ass and realize one event does not mean the end of everything.

Egh; maybe stop with the juvenile quips and realize that this 'one event' is just one of a litany of occurrences. Also, I never said the end of everything.

 

[Fox Mulder]

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[pelicansurf]

I don't think it's the end of the union, but it truly doesn't bode well for the future. There are two distinct and vet separate cultures living in the US sand they hate each other. A Berlin Wall scenario seems plausible at this rate.

 

[Carlius]

is it time? time for cali to become its own country?

 

[IsntChrisL]

Really just seems like this punishes Californians more than anyone else.

 

[BigBeauford]

NY banned non-essential government travel to NC.

http://www.hrc.org/blog/new-york-governor-cuomo-reaffirms-ban-on-official-travel-to-north-carolina

Why are government employees taking non essential trips? What's the difference?

 

[Earthbound64]

I get the message but it seems like it's going to punish people in Cali more than it does Texas. There are tons of conferences, universities, research centers, etc in Texas that are pretty important and now anyone associated with the state of California either can't visit them or has to foot the bill.

Like what if scientists from UCLA need to go to NASA or something like that.

Not to mention all the flights that transfer through DFW

So are flights into/out of/connecting through DFW no longer reimbursable?

Why are government employees taking non essential trips? What's the difference?

The definition of "essential."

 

[haimon]

I despise bans of all types and this is as stupid as the Muslim ban.

 

[jph139]

As attractive as the Balkanization of the US sounds, I'm pretty sure this is meant more to disincentive the adoption of these sorts of laws, not spark a collapse.

 

[timetokill]

Bestcoastia formation imminent




Seriously though it makes sense
The blue states have the vast majority of the economic power in this country
Might as well use it to force other states to stop being so backwards

 

[ShowDog]

I believe the justification is more to protect California employees that might face discrimination in those states from having to travel there as part of their job, rather than punishing Texas etc. Even making a trip to those states "optional" would afford people who could go an advantage over those that choose not to. So ban for everybody.

I agree it hurts CA more than TX but what are you going to do when they discriminate against protected classes on your staff?

 

[Yoshimitsu126]

Texas holds a lot of conferences though. This may not be a good idea.

 

[brian577]

I believe the justification is more to protect California employees that might face discrimination in those states from having to travel there as part of their job, rather than punishing Texas etc. Even making a trip to those states "optional" would afford people who could go an advantage over those that choose not to. So ban for everybody.

So why not travel warnings instead of screwing over the people who really need to go?

 

[msdstc]

This is a horrible decision.

 

[haimon]

So why not travel warnings instead of screwing over the people who really need to go?

This type of thing also ends up making people not listen to anything g you say to them. All they see is a ban.

 

[ShowDog]

So why not travel warnings instead of screwing over the people who really need to go?

I'm just explaining the rationale, feel free to disagree. But it's easy to imagine a situation where someone heeds the warning and chooses not to go and ends up getting passed by for a promotion over the candidate who could attend the training and is at an advantage. How does the State win that lawsuit?

 

[brian577]

I'm just explaining the rationale, feel free to disagree. But it's easy to imagine a situation where someone heeds the warning and chooses not to go and ends up getting passed by for a promotion over the candidate who could attend the training and is at an advantage. How does the State win that lawsuit?

How is that different from someone who can afford to eat the cost of the trip vs someone who can't and gets promoted. Same outcome, same lawsuit.