CastorSoze
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Think I saw somewhere that 3 seasons are planned with each season covering IT's appearances. So season 2 would be 1935 and season 3 will be 1908. So was surprised they opened this episode in 1908.
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It: Welcome to Derry - Teaser Trailer
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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I wonder if we get a flashback of Pennywise heading to Earth in one of the future seasons
NickFire
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Pennywise doesn't go that far back. It's just a persona that we just learned the originations of. I was actually a little surprised. I thought the persona would have come into play back in the 1800s in case they wanted more seasons. I'm down for cycles that predate Pennywise as future seasons but I don't know how much of the current audience would care about pre-Pennywise cycles.
DeepEnigma
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I remember being captivated by that book series when I was a pre-teen. Reading my mother's books and being completely drawn in to The Gunslinger and The Drawing of the Three, etc..
Sad really, while I refuse to watch the movie due to hearing it was utter rubbish, the series has such massive potential to be great films in the right hands.
I'm not sure there is much value in dwelling overlong in previous cycles. We know IT doesn't lose, most of the characters will likely die, rinse repeat?
I'd rather there be a series of vignettes about folks in trouble that pass through Derry and, even when sleeping, the IT influence causes mayhem, kinda like what the intro implies. Episodic short form TV has REALLY taken some hits lately, almost becoming extinct, but I think Derry through the years has more potential as a Twilight Zone/Outer Limits/Friday the 13th (show)/Freddy's Nightmares framework than as serialized content.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
That was a fantastic ending to the first season. That last scene was unexpected and a good surprise. I can't wait for the second season
Hugare
Member
Awesome finale, probably best tv series I've seen all year. I think it's much better than the movies, even.
Skarsgard was good in the movies, but he was amazing as Pennywise here. The series version of Pennywise is so much more menacing and animalistic.
Very excited for the next season
Skarsgard was good in the movies, but he was amazing as Pennywise here. The series version of Pennywise is so much more menacing and animalistic.
Very excited for the next season
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Solid ending and a great way to tie it into the movies too in multiple ways. Not just It Chapter 1/2, but King's other works as well.
My only gripe is that they should have had Lily be Beverly's mother somehow. All the shit she went through, her just coming out A-OK without any lasting mental scarring just seems like a very convenient cherry-on-top ending. She was also the one who had the dagger for the longest in her possession, for days maybe, while the others just hot potato'd it on the final day, so it would also make sense that it didn't effect them the same way.
But very solid, regardless.
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My only gripe is that they should have had Lily be Beverly's mother somehow. All the shit she went through, her just coming out A-OK without any lasting mental scarring just seems like a very convenient cherry-on-top ending. She was also the one who had the dagger for the longest in her possession, for days maybe, while the others just hot potato'd it on the final day, so it would also make sense that it didn't effect them the same way.
But very solid, regardless.
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My boy Rich! hahaha
GREAT show. Felt like I was watching the HBO version of Stranger Things all throughout.
This show made me want to dive more into the IT lore. Definitely gonna go back and watch the movies again. They were filmed right in my old neighborhood in Toronto.
I didnt get the connection to the final epilogue scene in the finale because I forget everything about those 2 movies.
All aboard for more seasons. Truly the Golen Era of television. So much quality stuff out there.
edit: HBO ... (Netflix?) Needs to do a Freddy Kruger TV show. So much potential. Looking froward to the A24 Jason Vorhees show. Horror genre is in good hands.
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cool as fuck, love how all the works connect. even fucking shawshank redemption
GREAT show. Felt like I was watching the HBO version of Stranger Things all throughout.
This show made me want to dive more into the IT lore. Definitely gonna go back and watch the movies again. They were filmed right in my old neighborhood in Toronto.
I didnt get the connection to the final epilogue scene in the finale because I forget everything about those 2 movies.
All aboard for more seasons. Truly the Golen Era of television. So much quality stuff out there.
edit: HBO ... (Netflix?) Needs to do a Freddy Kruger TV show. So much potential. Looking froward to the A24 Jason Vorhees show. Horror genre is in good hands.
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cool as fuck, love how all the works connect. even fucking shawshank redemption
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Solid ending and a great way to tie it into the movies too in multiple ways. Not just It Chapter 1/2, but King's other works as well.
My only gripe is that they should have had Lily be Beverly's mother somehow. All the shit she went through, her just coming out A-OK without any lasting mental scarring just seems like a very convenient cherry-on-top ending. She was also the one who had the dagger for the longest in her possession, for days maybe, while the others just hot potato'd it on the final day, so it would also make sense that it didn't effect them the same way.
But very solid, regardless.
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One of the traits of Derry, because of Its presence, is that everyone living there forgets things - or at best, during one of its awakened cycles, only recalls events in a very vague and obfuscated way. And if one chooses to depart the town, they'll eventually forget everything completely unless someone reminds them of it.
This is shown during the epilogue. Once It enters its slumber everyone pretty much just moves on. It is as if the horrifying events that just occurred, well, just didn't. The events failed to leave an emotional, let alone traumatic, mark on anyone. The mist that was cast over the town also served as a figurative brain fog, in my opinion.
This is shown during the epilogue. Once It enters its slumber everyone pretty much just moves on. It is as if the horrifying events that just occurred, well, just didn't. The events failed to leave an emotional, let alone traumatic, mark on anyone. The mist that was cast over the town also served as a figurative brain fog, in my opinion.
I like how by making It experience time like a flat circle, as a higher dimensional being should, this show becomes both a prequel and a sequel. Like It said, its death was its birth. So now we get to see how It attempts to undo its own demise during previous cycles. Because our past, or the past of these characters, is not It's past. All time is its past, present, and future - all at once.
And I don't take pride in admitting this, but It made me laugh out loud three times. Sure, it's an evil and pitiless god that consumes children, often face first, but it's funny:
- When he straight up punts the principal's head like a football
- As it somberly played its huge trombone during the macabre mockery of the Children's Crusade out of town
- As it cheerfully skipped past the adults attempting to makes its escape, grinning great big at them, then cast persiflage at the children like "so long ya' losers!" - which I thought was also a nice little call back to the Loser's Club
Fantastic episode. And now the long wait for Chapter Two.
John Marston
GAF's very own treasure goblin
My theory is that IT impersonated James Remar who then fathered Dexter.
So Dexter is doing all his killings under the guidance of IT.
MULTIVERSE!
So Dexter is doing all his killings under the guidance of IT.
MULTIVERSE!
CastorSoze
Member
While we know Will and Marge, I wonder what became of Lilly and Ronnie.
Explains why Mike was the only one not to leave Derry since his family are the guardians.
Explains why Mike was the only one not to leave Derry since his family are the guardians.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
I had some issues with this episode as I did with the last, but I'm gonna let them go because overall it was aces.
I guess the next season will feature the general as a boy and his encounter.
Was wondering where the "winter fire" would be referenced, so pennywise's explanation of time and that ending were pretty dope.
Some good meme material in there too.
I guess the next season will feature the general as a boy and his encounter.
Was wondering where the "winter fire" would be referenced, so pennywise's explanation of time and that ending were pretty dope.
Some good meme material in there too.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I had some issues with this episode as I did with the last, but I'm gonna let them go because overall it was aces.
I guess the next season will feature the general as a boy and his encounter.
Was wondering where the "winter fire" would be referenced, so pennywise's explanation of time and that ending were pretty dope.
Some good meme material in there too.
Richie the GOAT.
This group of kids was so much better than the Losers Club from the two movies.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I'm curious what the next two seasons will cover due to that last scene
NickFire
Member
I loved the first season. Not all of it but most. My two main critiques of the overall season would be:
1) I feel like the cage plotline was really just there to allow for a happy ending. I would have preferred to let Pennywise win by killing everyone who didn't matter to future stories.
2) The fluid time plot point seems cheap in this context to me. Yes, time is sort of fluid within the Dark Tower universe. But that is because people go in and out of entirely different worlds that (at least seem to be) at different points in their respective histories. In this show I feel like fluid time has been used to justify how Pennywise can show up in the 1800's if the show is ever renewed for a 4th season.
1) I feel like the cage plotline was really just there to allow for a happy ending. I would have preferred to let Pennywise win by killing everyone who didn't matter to future stories.
2) The fluid time plot point seems cheap in this context to me. Yes, time is sort of fluid within the Dark Tower universe. But that is because people go in and out of entirely different worlds that (at least seem to be) at different points in their respective histories. In this show I feel like fluid time has been used to justify how Pennywise can show up in the 1800's if the show is ever renewed for a 4th season.
bitbydeath
Member
Some are expecting to go back in time but I think we're going forward in time.
They showed him going back to young Bev at the end, it could continue from there, he kills one of the OG's to break the cycle.
John Marston
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In the 2nd movie when Jessica Chastain visits the old woman in her apartment.
bitbydeath
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Parents from the 70's and 80's who said rock music was from the devil have a lot to answer for.
EerieArcade
Member
Really enjoyed that. Easily my favourite show of the year. Going to watch the original miniseries and then the two films over the weekend.
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
Member
Halloran playing with pennywise mind was funny asf
Yo, that scene where, not once but twice...
Halloran slapped the shit out of Pennywise did it for me. Pennywise was left dumbstruck like wtf just happened.
I was screaming
Angry_Megalodon
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Yo, that scene where, not once but twice...
Halloran slapped the shit out of Pennywise did it for me. Pennywise was left dumbstruck like wtf just happened.
I was screaming
I loved how offended It looked. Like how dare these fucking mortals speak to me like I'm one of them.
Lambogenie
Member
Never read the book or any of King's stuff.
Found the first half, military parts in particular quite boring. Took ages to reveal Pennywise. But last two episodes were decent. Felt very final boss like.
Really didn't like some of these child actors. Marge was quite good though, possible talent with her.
Found the first half, military parts in particular quite boring. Took ages to reveal Pennywise. But last two episodes were decent. Felt very final boss like.
Really didn't like some of these child actors. Marge was quite good though, possible talent with her.
Hugare
Member
Marge's actress made Station Eleven, a scifi miniseries from HBO that I love, and she was amazing in it.
She was easily the best of the bunch and has a great future ahead of her, hopefuly.
Richie's actor was also great, specially considering he is 12 (Marge's actress is 17 irl). The others were pretty meh, imo, Will being the weakest.
Ah, that explains why I thought she had hit puberty during filming or something, or had a lot of her scenes refilmed at a later date.
I reaaaaly disliked the entire military angle. Boss General just walks up to Pennywise.....and offers to let him go? Show would have worked much better IMHO if they had just excised all that stuff and collapsed the three black storylines into one. Other than Halloran I don't feel like any of them went anywhere beyond the kids story and quite frankly they could have been brother and sister. Major "No Fear" never really manifests whatever thats supposed to do and criminal accused dad never really goes anywhere other than to kick off The Black Spot which I feel would have been better as a Pennywise scheme anyway. More focus on the native americans and how they learned so much about the shards, integration of the IT being into their mythology, stuff like that.
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
Member
Agreed, but shit would've barely been 4 episodes
I feel like there could have been more with the kids. Or more with the previous cycles. Anything but that silly wife tackling police cases and mr "no fear" bumbling his way through the most inept military search and contain operation ever. Had that stuff been more smartly written then maybe, but it fucking IT, it's a boogeyman for kids. I liked the Halloran actor though, coulda done a lot more with him.Agreed, but shit would've barely been 4 episodes
FinalBossWithTheMostPower
Member
They hyped him up as the man with no fear and, as you said, he did nothing. He looked scared shitless the entire finale.
But I thought the way they handled King's other IP was great. I was hoping they were gonna say the military was doing experiments and gave way to the 'The Mist' that has never really been explained in other movies but nah they are creatively bankrupt, and never did anything with it.
And after all the build up the general just gets eaten, no deals, no existential knowledge requests. I'm not sure who's paying these writers but they should've just brought in King.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Nah he was never afraid, stress, anxiety, worry, sadness, none of them are fear which put you in a completely irrational state subject to an involuntary fight of flight response; that never happened to him.
The deadlights still broke his mind and put him in a coma though, he probably just experienced pure insanity then so his soul wouldn't have been loaded with fear.
It would've been cool if the deadlights didn't work on him at all, but I guess the full cosmic power of IT shouldn't be nerfed like that.
The deadlights still broke his mind and put him in a coma though, he probably just experienced pure insanity then so his soul wouldn't have been loaded with fear.
It would've been cool if the deadlights didn't work on him at all, but I guess the full cosmic power of IT shouldn't be nerfed like that.
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CastorSoze
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The next couple seasons will probably deal more with the native American side of it.
Have to say there's great grip on those tyres to get such a sudden stop on solid ice.
Have to say there's great grip on those tyres to get such a sudden stop on solid ice.
Lambogenie
Member
The ice thing was very weird. Went all cartoony. No cold shivers, barely any sliding, just dark, fake smoke. Wonder what went wrong there.
gotta film on a sound stage, no time to dress it up, I guess.
As for No Fear guy, in the sewers he shouldn't have been in a position to pop his own kid, as he, presumably, would stay cool and collected. His ONE TIME to shine and he blows it.
Jinxed
Member
Humans can't comprehend the deadlights, it would of been cool yeah but it would of ruined the whole lore of it
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If the adults/parents had ANY PURPOSE in the show, then to have Maj No Fear be the only one able to resist IT long enough to seal the gate(?) would have paid off his character.
I'd have been pretty happy if EVERY adult, aside from Halloran (and the Periwinkle lady, I suppose) in the show was only shown from the neck down and talked like "Maw wah maw waw waaaa" straight out of Charlie Brown. Really dig into how isolated and disconnected from adults the kids generally are, and these kids in particular. They can't hardly talk to ANYONE else, no one understands them, they gotta deal with this menace on their own. Halloran, with the shining, is their only bridge and that's because he walks in their world already.
Nankatsu
Member
Finished the season. Phenomenal show.
The gore, the pacing, and the ending. Really high notes for me here.
So apparantly there's some time traveling involving Pennywise? His time perception is different than humans. Theory going around is that the 2nd time he awakens, he already had his memories from the movies. That's why he knew Marge would get pregnant.
Let's hope Netflix doesn't buy Warner Bros and decide to fuck this up for season 2.
The gore, the pacing, and the ending. Really high notes for me here.
So apparantly there's some time traveling involving Pennywise? His time perception is different than humans. Theory going around is that the 2nd time he awakens, he already had his memories from the movies. That's why he knew Marge would get pregnant.
Let's hope Netflix doesn't buy Warner Bros and decide to fuck this up for season 2.
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Jinxed
Member
Pennywise doesn't time travel. He moves through time normally, he has knowledge of past/present and future that's why he states it's all the same for him
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I finally watched it. The series blew my mind!!! Andy Muschietti did a PHENOMENAL JOB!!!!
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Revolutionary
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I forgot to post in here after finishing the season. I think the show overall is very uneven but it's entertaining enough to keep watching and not dwell on the stupid stuff (of which there is a lot). At this point, it's clear that Andy Muschietti has a very particular directing style and it either works for you or doesn't (see: The Flash).
Having said that, I do have concerns for The Brave and the Bold after this because some of the kid actors in this show were absolutely terrible and I hope they do a better job with Damian Wayne's casting...
Having said that, I do have concerns for The Brave and the Bold after this because some of the kid actors in this show were absolutely terrible and I hope they do a better job with Damian Wayne's casting...
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