Can you play games directly from the disc these days? Or switch 2 is the only that allows?

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I tried to look up, but I wanted to clarify: you can't just insert the disc and just play games on modern consoles? You always have to do some install process? Things where like that in the PS4/XB1 generation too?

Switch 1 and 2 are not like that right? (when the game is on the cart I mean)
 
Of course you can ! The sad thing is that you have to check nowadays, depending on the game it might be different.

Back then when patches did not exist, it was a given. Check the the website.

 
Of course you can ! The sad thing is that you have to check nowadays, depending on the game it might be different.

Back then when patches did not exist, it was a given. Check the the website.

To be clear, I 'm talking about playing the game without installing anything. I Want to put a disc/cartridges and play, no installs, just the loading times. Is this possible? There is games you can do that?
 
But I can download a game to my console faster than you can go to a store to buy a disc or have it shipped to you & this only matters for the 1st time that you play a game .
 
But I can download a game to my console faster than you can go to a store to buy a disc or have it shipped to you & this only matters for the 1st time that you play a game .
But then you have to uninstall a game everytime you get a new one. If you play from the disc, you never would have to worry about it. That one of the few advantages of physical media: you pick, you put, you play. Install process killed that.
 
To be clear, I 'm talking about playing the game without installing anything. I Want to put a disc/cartridges and play, no installs, just the loading times. Is this possible? There is games you can do that?
Only on Switch. The vast majority of the games work like this. Those that require a download have it specified on the box.
 
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But then you have to uninstall a game everytime you get a new one. If you play from the disc, you never would have to worry about it. That one of the few advantages of physical media: you pick, you put, you play. Install process killed that.
I've been installing games on my console since the modded Xbox Original allowed use to install a larger HDD I can't really remember running into a situation where I was installing & deleting any time I wanted to play a new game.
 
You definitely can with Nintendo, as long as the game is actually on the cartridge.

My memory is a bit cloudy on this. But iirc even on Nintendo you'll run in to this "issue" if the game/cartridge that is released is running/prepared to run on the latest Switch/Switch 2 firmware.

So if you keep your Switch 2 offline from launch with, say, firmware 1.0, you won't be able to play games releasing later that are already prepared/made to run on firmware 1.7, for example, and will have to update your system first.
 
Nope.
There will always be a day-one patch or partial install.
There is a difference between "Day 1 patch to iron out things" and "game on disc is a broken shit and won't run without the patch", in which case the box should mention (but doesn't) "download of X required to start the game".
 
You definitely can with Nintendo, as long as the game is actually on the cartridge.

My memory is a bit cloudy on this. But iirc even on Nintendo you'll run in to this "issue" if the game/cartridge that is released is running/prepared to run on the latest Switch/Switch 2 firmware.

So if you keep your Switch 2 offline from launch with, say, firmware 1.0, you won't be able to play games releasing later that are already prepared/made to run on firmware 1.7, for example, and will have to update your system first.
In this case the system update comes on the cartridge normally.
 
Nope.
There will always be a day-one patch or partial install.
You can ignore those, unless the game is broken on release, in which case just don't buy that and problem solved.

You can definitely play without connecting to internet at all.
But install from disc to hard drive? Yeah that's mandatory.
 
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Modern games aren't going to play directly from disc. The experience would be so bad. The files on disc are most likely going to be compressed to use the smallest disc possible and to improve installation times. The read speeds from Blu-ray usually average around 30 MB/s or so. On PS5 the read speeds from SSD are 5500 MB/s, or at least that's the minimum sustained read speed for an SSD. When you do the math the load times would be excruciating to play games from disc on current gen consoles.
 
Installing off disc has been like that since PS360 era. So cumbersome to put in a disc and wait for it to install/copy on to hard drive. PS5 could be really slow sometimes with the copying. That's why it was so refreshing with Switch cartridges. Just pop it in and play. At worst you'd have to download a patch for a minute or two but other than that, just plug and play. And now with key cards on Switch 2 it's becoming the same as PS and Xbox. Downloading and installing to hard drive. End of an era.
 
I tried to look up, but I wanted to clarify: you can't just insert the disc and just play games on modern consoles? You always have to do some install process? Things where like that in the PS4/XB1 generation too?

Switch 1 and 2 are not like that right? (when the game is on the cart I mean)
Correct, all Xbox One, PS4, Xbox Series X, and PS5 games all require full installs from the disc, they do not play the game from the disc like gen 5-7 consoles.

Switch 1 reads games straight from the card though, no install required. I can't get my hands on a Switch 2 though so I can't verify for certain how the non game key cards work.
 
Correct, all Xbox One, PS4, Xbox Series X, and PS5 games all require full installs from the disc, they do not play the game from the disc like gen 5-7 consoles.

Switch 1 reads games straight from the card though, no install required. I can't get my hands on a Switch 2 though so I can't verify for certain how the non game key cards work.
Switch 2 games read from the cart. I've seen some videos that show the load times can be a couple of seconds slower sometimes when playing a game from a Switch 2 cart, but nothing painful to wait for.
 
You definitely can with Nintendo, as long as the game is actually on the cartridge.

My memory is a bit cloudy on this. But iirc even on Nintendo you'll run in to this "issue" if the game/cartridge that is released is running/prepared to run on the latest Switch/Switch 2 firmware.

So if you keep your Switch 2 offline from launch with, say, firmware 1.0, you won't be able to play games releasing later that are already prepared/made to run on firmware 1.7, for example, and will have to update your system first.

In this case the system update comes on the cartridge normally.

So the system gets updated (offline) through the contents of the cartridge?

Not always. I had this 'issue' recently with Bananza, which does not seem to include the latest Switch 2 system firmware on the cartridge.
Could not play it until I downloaded and installed it.
 
But then you have to uninstall a game everytime you get a new one. If you play from the disc, you never would have to worry about it. That one of the few advantages of physical media: you pick, you put, you play. Install process killed that.
Why would you need to uninstall for a new game? If you have enough free space it will just work.

In the old days playing off disks you needed memory cards. Those had very little storage on them and you needed to either delete your saves or buy a new card to keep saves. Now you have enough space for infinite saves. And the systems have upgrade-able storage, for what four memory cards used to cost, you can put an additional 2TB NVME drive into a PS5 and have enough space for about two dozen games, or way more if every game you game and must have installed all the time isn't 100+ GB in size.
 
You haven't been able to run games from the disc since the PS3/360 era.
The read speed for discs is way too slow. We finally moved on to SSDs on console, running games from a disc would be going back to something worse than a mechanical drive.

Switch uses cartridges which have way faster read speeds than discs, that's why the games can still run from the physical media.
The problem with cartridges is that they are expensive, which is why some publishers are opting for these "key cards" on Switch 2. If you already have to pay a cut to Nintendo, a cut to the retailer and potentially a cut to the engine you are using, having to spend another $3-5 (Just guessing, I don't know how much they are) on the cartridge is a considerable cut into your profit margin.
 
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Why would you need to uninstall for a new game? If you have enough free space it will just work.

In the old days playing off disks you needed memory cards. Those had very little storage on them and you needed to either delete your saves or buy a new card to keep saves. Now you have enough space for infinite saves. And the systems have upgrade-able storage, for what four memory cards used to cost, you can put an additional 2TB NVME drive into a PS5 and have enough space for about two dozen games, or way more if every game you game and must have installed all the time isn't 100+ GB in size.

We already know this.

On Switch 1 I buy a game for sixty dollars, put it into the system and play it.

On Switch 2 I buy the same game for sixty dollars and then move it to other media that I also had to pay for.

In one case to play a different game, I switch games.

In another other case I might have to delete and then retrieve data off a remote server.

Yeah there are advantages to digital too but the notion that benefits to hard copy don't even exist is just wacky.
 
Cant run everything off the disc especially ps5 as it heavily relies on ssd for loading which is a good thing btw.
 
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We already know this.

On Switch 1 I buy a game for sixty dollars, put it into the system and play it.

On Switch 2 I buy the same game for sixty dollars and then move it to other media that I also had to pay for.

In one case to play a different game, I switch games.

In another other case I might have to delete and then retrieve data off a remote server.

Yeah there are advantages to digital too but the notion that benefits to hard copy don't even exist is just wacky.
Unless that Switch cartridge has an update, or is only partially on the cart requiring an additional 15+ GB download.

With disks on a PS5 you remove the disk and put a different on in. If it's already installed you just play.

You also seem very confused with needing to install a game versus digital games. There are PS5 games where your console can be completely offline. You put the disk in, it installs and you play. So how is that not a physical copy of the game?

Fuck discs. They still have to be installed to the console's memory storage to work. They're kind of like game key cards!
Expect they can include the entire game. So unlike game key cards, you don't need to download anything. And the majority of disks aren't region locked while the game key cards require you to have an account of the same region of the cart.

So they really aren't like the game key carts at all.
 
But then you have to uninstall a game everytime you get a new one. If you play from the disc, you never would have to worry about it. That one of the few advantages of physical media: you pick, you put, you play. Install process killed that.
It's why I've been 100% digital since last generation. The insert a disc/cart and play functionality disappeared. That and because everything needs patches now so a day 1 disc release is kinda worthless, even for preservation, since nobody wants to return to the launch version.
 
Expect they can include the entire game. So unlike game key cards, you don't need to download anything. And the majority of disks aren't region locked while the game key cards require you to have an account of the same region of the cart.

So they really aren't like the game key carts at all.
Wrong. I can sell them, I can lend them. They are a better alternative to all-digital. They are not linked to my account. Just. Like. Shitty. Discs.
 
Wrong. I can sell them, I can lend them. They are a better alternative to all-digital. They are not linked to my account. Just. Like. Shitty. Discs.
But unlike disks you need the download servers to be up. They have the benefit of being a physical item, but they are still tied to a digital infrastructure. We'll see what happens in 20-30 years. I can still play my NES carts to this day. An a disk that doesn't need a BS day one patch will also still work as long as I have a working console that can read the disk.
 
But unlike disks you need the download servers to be up. They have the benefit of being a physical item, but they are still tied to a digital infrastructure. We'll see what happens in 20-30 years. I can still play my NES carts to this day. An a disk that doesn't need a BS day one patch will also still work as long as I have a working console that can read the disk.
In 20 or 30 years I'll be dead or too old to hold a controller, so I don't care about that. If I did, disc rot would be among my chief concerns. I can download the game and poof it becomes a functional and physical game cartridge I can play without an internet authentication key when I'm outside of internet areas.
 
Switch 2 games read from the cart. I've seen some videos that show the load times can be a couple of seconds slower sometimes when playing a game from a Switch 2 cart, but nothing painful to wait for.

I kinda assumed full Switch 2 games worked like Switch 1, but didn't wanna assume without owning a Switch 2 myself. Good to know though!
 
Both versions of the Switch are mobile devices so they can read off cards and sd cards, easily. They dont require the same as a console. You can install and play games off an SD card on things like Steam Deck too. Disc read speed though, as others have said, is far too slow. Even on PS4, I used an external HDD, over USB 3, and games loaded faster.

Just think of discs as a storage device like and old mechanical hard drive with tons of space for cheap.
 
I remember that several PS4 Yakuza games didn't have any day1 patches. Just installed them from the disc and I was ready to go. And it wasn't the case of the patch being late, they were just polished for the premiere. Not the case anymore, recent LaD games had some (small) patches so I guess they caught up with current trends.

Personally I'm glad that the idea of playing from the disc was abandoned in favor of installing games. The spinning discs are loud, the drives are not fast enough (for current standards) and the lasers would die much faster from being in constant use.
 

Can you play games directly from the disc these days? Or switch 2 is the only that allows?

I tried to look up, but I wanted to clarify: you can't just insert the disc and just play games on modern consoles? You always have to do some install process? Things where like that in the PS4/XB1 generation too?

Switch 1 and 2 are not like that right? (when the game is on the cart I mean)
Ih the current and previous gen of home consoles you're required to install the disc, something that helps first with faster loading times -specially now with fast SSDs- during gameplay, second because allows devs to put more data in the disc (by heavily compressing it, and then decompress it during the install time) and third to damage less the disc because it's only used only for the install, and after that it's only used to check the console has the proper bluray disc inserted.

Switch 1 and 2 doesn't have discs, they have cartridges. Cartridges are faster than a BD disc (up to 100GB in PS5) but considerably more expensive, particularly in case of cartridges with big storage size (64GB, or eventually 128GB). So devs are encouraged to try to reduce game files to fit the games in smaller size cartridges.

Since games play directly from the cartridge devs can't apply cropression methods as aggresive as in PS5, so the amount of data included in a Switch 2 cartridge ends being even smaller than in a Bluray.

Regarding speeds, notice the difference:
  • Switch 2 cartridges: maybe around 100-200MB/s
  • PS5 Bluray: around 45MB/s
  • PS5 SSD: despite having 5500MB/s as raw speed, thanks to a hardware compression and optimizations achieves up to 22000MB/s depending on file
 
No, disc drives don't have read speeds quick enough for modern games to be played off them, that's why even consoles have mandated installs since PS4 and Xbox One, because even the horrible read speeds of a mechanical HDD were better than the read speeds of a disc drive.

The only console that was an exception to this was the Switch, where games can be played directly off the cartridge. Technically this is true for the Switch 2 as well, but most third party games on the Switch are published as game key carts, which means they require a full download and install of the game on your system before you can play it, so even over on the Nintendo side, the concept is dying now.
 
To be clear, I 'm talking about playing the game without installing anything. I Want to put a disc/cartridges and play, no installs, just the loading times. Is this possible? There is games you can do that?
Have to be clear about "no patching" being on that list. Just pure disc to offline console playing.
 
No, disc drives don't have read speeds quick enough for modern games to be played off them, that's why even consoles have mandated installs since PS4 and Xbox One, because even the horrible read speeds of a mechanical HDD were better than the read speeds of a disc drive.

The only console that was an exception to this was the Switch, where games can be played directly off the cartridge. Technically this is true for the Switch 2 as well, but most third party games on the Switch are published as game key carts, which means they require a full download and install of the game on your system before you can play it, so even over on the Nintendo side, the concept is dying now.
All the way back on the 360 if you installed the game to HDD the loading times were already better.

I don't really see OPs problem though a terrabyte SSD is like 80-90 eurodollars these days.
 
I don't really see OPs problem though a terrabyte SSD is like 80-90 eurodollars these days.
I have a series s. I hit my limit pretty quickly and had to start doing disk management with every non indie game. Sad can't be used for games on series consoles.

Was wondering if going physical would help with this issue, but it doesn't sounds like it would.
 
I tried to look up, but I wanted to clarify: you can't just insert the disc and just play games on modern consoles? You always have to do some install process? Things where like that in the PS4/XB1 generation too?

Switch 1 and 2 are not like that right? (when the game is on the cart I mean)

I don't think you understand how insanely slow disc drives are...

even back on the Xbox 360, when we had super slow HDDs, installing the game would sometimes double your load speed.
Bluray loads even slower than DVD, due to the sheer data density and slower spin speed.

the drives inside current consoles read at about 40MB/s.
to fill the 13.5GB of useable RAM of the system at that speed would mean load times of around 6 minutes.
and that's without taking seeking times into account. this is the fastest speed possible. if the laser had to actually move around the disc (so if we look at a realistic scenario) instead of loading in one lane the whole time, you'd maybe reach 7min and more.


back on Xbox 360, where the disc read speed was 16MB/s and you only had to fill 512MB at most, it was still fine, because that meant like 30sec load times. if the data was super fragmented you'd get maybe closer to a minute, but that's still a far cry from the 6min minimum you'd have if you wanted to load current gen games via disc.
but even back then, the PS3 with it's super slow Bluray drive that only read half as fast as the 360's disc drive, many PS3 games forced an install in order to have decent load times on par with the 360.
games that didn't, like Mirror's Edge, had way longer loads, and even texture pop-in issues compared to the 360. which is why the best way to play Mirror's Edge on PS3 is by playing the digital version, as it loads way faster from the harddrive, and you can't install the disc version
 
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Unless that Switch cartridge has an update, or is only partially on the cart requiring an additional 15+ GB download.

With disks on a PS5 you remove the disk and put a different on in. If it's already installed you just play.

You also seem very confused with needing to install a game versus digital games. There are PS5 games where your console can be completely offline. You put the disk in, it installs and you play. So how is that not a physical copy of the game?


Expect they can include the entire game. So unlike game key cards, you don't need to download anything. And the majority of disks aren't region locked while the game key cards require you to have an account of the same region of the cart.

So they really aren't like the game key carts at all.

Switch games may have updates but they are usually not as large as the entire game; small enough that you would not be motivated to delete the patch. Just keep swapping carts with only the patch resting on the system.

"If it's already installed you just play". But this precondition doesn't exist in my Switch library. I can simply put them in the system and run them like Game Boy games. If I didn't have the latest patch, I could download it...or not, and run it straight off the cart. It doesn't really matter. Sure some games take a 15gb DL, so? I don't buy any, it wasn't a big problem on Switch 1 (like it is on 2).

And, this is actually pretty good if you want to own a copy of a game, without having to make sure it's always taking up space on your drive if you get the sudden urge to play it, which could slow you down enough to pass on it. TMNT Cowabunga Collection is a 8GB game on Playstation that has to download and/or install when you think of an NES rom. You can jam the cart in a Switch to play it immediately, without ROMS taking valuable space for COD or whatever. This is really different games being better fit in different platforms and formats as they always have without the "one end all answer".
 
I don't think you understand how insanely slow disc drives are...

even back on the Xbox 360, when we had super slow HDDs, installing the game would sometimes double your load speed.
Bluray loads even slower than DVD, due to the sheer data density and slower spin speed.
DVD 1x read speeds are 1.38MB/s with drives being up to 24x so 33.12MB/s

BluRay 1x read speeds are 4.5MB/s with up to 16x drives being 72MB/s

I'm not sure how fast the drives are on the PS5 or XSX. But a 16x drive is 4.3GB/min. So it could be 10-20 mins to install a 40-80GB game. I'd imagine it's the seek speed that slower on the BluRay due to their density.
 
DVD 1x read speeds are 1.38MB/s with drives being up to 24x so 33.12MB/s

BluRay 1x read speeds are 4.5MB/s with up to 16x drives being 72MB/s

I'm not sure how fast the drives are on the PS5 or XSX. But a 16x drive is 4.3GB/min. So it could be 10-20 mins to install a 40-80GB game. I'd imagine it's the seek speed that slower on the BluRay due to their density.

afaik both consoles read at around 40MB/s
but even at full speed, it's impossible to make a modern game playable from disc.
at 72MB/s, it would still mean load times of more than 3min at best, if the game utilises the full memory available.

the only games where that would be viable are tiny games, that, at that point are so insignificantly small anyway, that installing them to the SSD wouldn't give you any real storage space issues 🙃


edit: also, another factor is the disc drive noise. both consoles have very loud disc drives when they run at their fastest speeds (so while installing games). that would make the basically silent systems pretty damn loud any time something needed to load. so even for small games that could pull it off loading from disc, I'd still rather install them for that reason alone lol
 
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Unfortunately disc read speeds are just too low; switch 2 should have some really fast read speed carts so they should work.
 
I'm not sure how fast the drives are on the PS5 or XSX. But a 16x drive is 4.3GB/min. So it could be 10-20 mins to install a 40-80GB game. I'd imagine it's the seek speed that slower on the BluRay due to their density.
Higher density doesn't slow down seek times (it does increase read-speeds, but that's obvious).

I tried to look up, but I wanted to clarify: you can't just insert the disc and just play games on modern consoles? You always have to do some install process? Things where like that in the PS4/XB1 generation too?
It's not a question of choice. You as in - user - don't perform any process/install. The moment you insert the disc the install starts automatically, the last time manual steps to install existed was the XBox 360.
Now - early on, a bunch of PS4 games did streaming installs that allowed to play the game within minute or so of inserting the disc (so it was pretty similar to old style experience of playing direct from disc), but that's something that was largely abandoned later in the generation and no longer really exists in PS5 era.
I guess data showed that people were 'ok' with waiting for the installs 🤷‍♀️
 
Higher density doesn't slow down seek times (it does increase read-speeds, but that's obvious).


It's not a question of choice. You as in - user - don't perform any process/install. The moment you insert the disc the install starts automatically, the last time manual steps to install existed was the XBox 360.
Now - early on, a bunch of PS4 games did streaming installs that allowed to play the game within minute or so of inserting the disc (so it was pretty similar to old style experience of playing direct from disc), but that's something that was largely abandoned later in the generation and no longer really exists in PS5 era.
I guess data showed that people were 'ok' with waiting for the installs 🤷‍♀️
The PS5 still has it, there's a "playable" status on at least some games and you can start up games before its fully copied.
 
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