gutter_trash
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Kevin should just pay his debt by relinquishing his his Canadian citizenship and never come back
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Canadian PoliGAF - 42nd Parliament: Sunny Ways in Trudeaupia
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killer rin
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Is it wrong that I want literally everything about O'Leary and his Debt to go top up? I just want a clear message to be sent that we DO NOT WANT populist rich people running for office because they can.
Infinite Stars
Member
Co-signed. Can we also ban him from appearing in Canadian Content?
matthewwhatever
Member
It's literally the first search result when you Google Liberal campaign promises on the military.
I love that not only did O'Leary bankrupt his campaign, but he also dragged down Bernier's, too. He's the leadership candidate that keep on giving!
He's not allowed to pay the debts personally because that's just not how it works -- as a leadership candidate, it has to be through a registered campaign. It's to prevent people from trying to buy elections. He's allowed to use $25k of his own money, and the rest has to be fundraised, with all debts paid off within three years.
There are pretty clear punishments for failing to meet the legal requirements, too: on top of having to repay contractors (presumably out of his own pocket), he faces fines, community service, even jail time.
If the postscript of the Kevin O'Leary campaign is that he and his financial agents go to jail for a few years, that would be amazing.
EDIT: O'Leary may not be the only one facing repercussions: Conservative Party puts Trost campaign 'on notice' over leaked membership list
There's no legal issues, unfortunately, but I'm sure he'll face some discipline for it, like not getting his $50k deposit back.
I didn't really understand it either. It seemed like he in theory could pay it off using his company money, but donation rules prevent it from happening? Not that I'm against him having this blow up in his face, but what is actually stopping the payback?
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Oh, so it is a funding/donations rule. Fair enough
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Corbyn's win reminds me so much of Layton's win. So much hope for the future. Hopefully they don't waste it like the NDP did here.
Unless Corbyn falls ill himself, I don't see that being the case in the UK.
KernelPanic
Member
If Kevin managed to run his short leadership campaign into the ground he would have run the country into the ground as well.
UberTag
Member
That explains the shit I got in my mail this week. Now I know who to thank.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Going from irrelevance and beating expectations of everyone who says you are clown shoes is a win. lol
matthewwhatever
Member
New polling on Canadian attitudes towards Trump! The short answer: everyone thinks he's a disaster, from across the political spectrum, in every part of the country.
Just about the only positive number for him is that "only" 42% of Conservative voters describe Trump as dumb:
And 21% of Canadians think he ranks average or better in terms of Presidential rankings (including 2% who think he's the best ever). That's compared to 39% who say he's the worst President, and 29% who say he's one of the worst.
I used to work with a lot of Americans, and none of them understood how deeply Trump is loathed by Canadians. I left that job last week, but it's so tempting to email some of my old co-workers and say "See?!?"
Just about the only positive number for him is that "only" 42% of Conservative voters describe Trump as dumb:
And 21% of Canadians think he ranks average or better in terms of Presidential rankings (including 2% who think he's the best ever). That's compared to 39% who say he's the worst President, and 29% who say he's one of the worst.
I used to work with a lot of Americans, and none of them understood how deeply Trump is loathed by Canadians. I left that job last week, but it's so tempting to email some of my old co-workers and say "See?!?"
His first visit to Canada as president is going to be amazing.
Killa Sasa
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Outstanding.
gutter_trash
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Corbyn and Layton comparaison stops where our 2011 election rewarded Harper with a 4 year majority while 2017 in the UK punished May with a Hung Parliament.
Corbyn is only in a position of strenght due to unstable nature of May's ultra-weak coalition with the God aweful DUP. + you got Brexit negotions starting next week.
no matter the relativism, the NDP's 2011 gains are meaningless because they ended up resulting in a strong Conservative majority. That alone makes the Corbyn and Layton comparisons end.
Corbyn is only in a position of strenght due to unstable nature of May's ultra-weak coalition with the God aweful DUP. + you got Brexit negotions starting next week.
no matter the relativism, the NDP's 2011 gains are meaningless because they ended up resulting in a strong Conservative majority. That alone makes the Corbyn and Layton comparisons end.
If we promise protests he won't ever come.
This is also my hope. Now that we know he fears protesting crowds, someone should start up some kind of global website for coordinating Trump public appearances to get him to cancel visits.
gutter_trash
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it being a G20 will have heightened security,
I forsee a Montobello,Qc repeat (2003)
I forsee a Montobello,Qc repeat (2003)
It's beautiful. 😭
Evo Shandor
Member
On the Ontario election front, there have been some interesting developments.
I went with a friend to the Conservative riding association's Nominee meeting to hear the speeches and gauge the general attitude of the group. The mean age had to be approximately 65 years of age (there were some young people but not many). Everyone seemed very happy and confident; all of the nominees were congenial in their speaking, acknowledging they have a large amount of work ahead of them to broaden their voting base within the region.
I have also heard that OPSEU is being offered a 7.5% wage increase over four years with no apparent concessions. OPSEU members working for the LCBO are scheduled to go on strike on June 29th. I wonder why the government would offer such a deal at this time?
Several friends and myself are of the impression that the Liberals are going to go on the offensive and call a snap election. The most intelligent time to do this would be in October, as the Conservatives have their policy meeting in November. If they were to do so, they would be catching the NDP off-guard as their administration is... not in the best shape. It would be a huge gamble but one that could pay off if their competition to the left is unprepared and the right do not have their complete policies and talking points in order.
Edit:
Found the OPSEU link: https://opseu.org/news/opseu-members-ops-vote-june-20-22-employer-rollover-offer
I went with a friend to the Conservative riding association's Nominee meeting to hear the speeches and gauge the general attitude of the group. The mean age had to be approximately 65 years of age (there were some young people but not many). Everyone seemed very happy and confident; all of the nominees were congenial in their speaking, acknowledging they have a large amount of work ahead of them to broaden their voting base within the region.
I have also heard that OPSEU is being offered a 7.5% wage increase over four years with no apparent concessions. OPSEU members working for the LCBO are scheduled to go on strike on June 29th. I wonder why the government would offer such a deal at this time?
Several friends and myself are of the impression that the Liberals are going to go on the offensive and call a snap election. The most intelligent time to do this would be in October, as the Conservatives have their policy meeting in November. If they were to do so, they would be catching the NDP off-guard as their administration is... not in the best shape. It would be a huge gamble but one that could pay off if their competition to the left is unprepared and the right do not have their complete policies and talking points in order.
Edit:
Found the OPSEU link: https://opseu.org/news/opseu-members-ops-vote-june-20-22-employer-rollover-offer
firehawk12
Subete no aware
As much as I like Liberal bashing, the NDP debate was kind of useless for determining which leader to vote for. lol
I'm surprised his Smart/Dumb score is that good.
Ooof. Looks like the government is trying to deny that Trudeau asked Merkel to remove any mention of the Paris deal out of the G20.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/06/12/mckenna-canada-paris-agreement_n_17059676.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/06/12/mckenna-canada-paris-agreement_n_17059676.html
killer rin
Member
So either we're calling Germany liars, or we are trying to appease Trump. Both are terrible for public perception
KernelPanic
Member
They don't want to get fucked up in NAFTA negotiations.
Trump is so unstable they probably don't want to poke the bear.
Not too long ago he just wanted to tear up NAFTA altogether.
Chief Justice McLachlin is calling it quits at the end of the year, a year in advance of her mandatory retirement date.
To put the Chief Justice's career in perspective, she was appointed to the Supreme Court in 1989. Not only has every judge who was on the court when she joined it been replaced, but their replacements (and in some cases their replacements' replacements) have also been replaced. She's a singular figure in the judiciary, the longest-serving Chief Justice, and one of the best -- if you compare her tenure to some of her predecessors, she was far better at locating consensus than the sometimes fractious courts in the years immediately after the Charter.
The next Chief Justice will, based on precedent, most likely be Justice Abella (the senior puisne justice has been appointed in all but four cases, and two of those were slightly modified seniority; only twice has seniority been thrown out entirely), while the new puisne justice, drawn from the West, will give Trudeau the opportunity to add greater diversity to the bench that he clearly wanted with the Atlantic seat but couldn't manage.
To put the Chief Justice's career in perspective, she was appointed to the Supreme Court in 1989. Not only has every judge who was on the court when she joined it been replaced, but their replacements (and in some cases their replacements' replacements) have also been replaced. She's a singular figure in the judiciary, the longest-serving Chief Justice, and one of the best -- if you compare her tenure to some of her predecessors, she was far better at locating consensus than the sometimes fractious courts in the years immediately after the Charter.
The next Chief Justice will, based on precedent, most likely be Justice Abella (the senior puisne justice has been appointed in all but four cases, and two of those were slightly modified seniority; only twice has seniority been thrown out entirely), while the new puisne justice, drawn from the West, will give Trudeau the opportunity to add greater diversity to the bench that he clearly wanted with the Atlantic seat but couldn't manage.
So, this is going to shift the Supreme Court of Canada a lot sooner than I expected. Glad our Supreme Court isn't as partisan as it is in the U.S., at least in terms of "we're going to hold a seat hostage until we can appoint someone to it ourselves!"
firehawk12
Subete no aware
That said, the regional distribution of the justices is weird, as evidenced by that Harper fiasco.
Then again, the senate is all screwed up as well, so I guess it's not a surprise.
matthewwhatever
Member
Speaking of heads of branches of government nearing retirement, isn't David Johnston getting close to the end of his term? I remember Harper extended him just before the 2015 election, under the premise that it was going to be a close and they needed his expertise, and I seem to remember it was supposed to end just after Canada 150.
They wouldn't be asking for a retraction/correction from Der Spiegel unless they had reason to, and could back up the request with proof. That's how it's worked in every press office I've worked in, at least. The Der Spiegel claim is so wildly out of step with everything else the Trudeau government has said publicly, I think "poor translation" seems a lot more plausible than the alternative.
They wouldn't be asking for a retraction/correction from Der Spiegel unless they had reason to, and could back up the request with proof. That's how it's worked in every press office I've worked in, at least. The Der Spiegel claim is so wildly out of step with everything else the Trudeau government has said publicly, I think "poor translation" seems a lot more plausible than the alternative.
Yeah, his term is up in September.
Precedent would indicate it's a Francophone's turn at the viceregal job, though I'm not sure how important that rotation is now compared to the more powerful offices; I could see Trudeau wanting to appoint an indigenous Governor General (though I guess he could just try to find one from Quebec or New Brunswick; hell, maybe he could just offer it to Saganash).
Here are a few recent alberta related stories
The wildrose president Jeff Callaway is now attacking Brian Jean.
http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/06/1...-brian-jean-of-a-power-grab-before-unity-vote
The wildrose also had this to deal with over the weekend.
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...-fire-has-become-a-tire-fire-that-wont-go-out
And now Kenney is complaining about people within the Alberta NDP signing up for wildrose or PC memberships to vote down the conservative merger about a month from now even though their is no proof of this yet.
http://globalnews.ca/news/3522017/j...ers-of-undermining-united-conservative-party/
I don't think the two conservative parties will merge anymore. The wildrose base will likely vote against unity and these recent stories won't help the unity movement.
The wildrose president Jeff Callaway is now attacking Brian Jean.
http://www.calgarysun.com/2017/06/1...-brian-jean-of-a-power-grab-before-unity-vote
The wildrose also had this to deal with over the weekend.
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...-fire-has-become-a-tire-fire-that-wont-go-out
And now Kenney is complaining about people within the Alberta NDP signing up for wildrose or PC memberships to vote down the conservative merger about a month from now even though their is no proof of this yet.
http://globalnews.ca/news/3522017/j...ers-of-undermining-united-conservative-party/
I don't think the two conservative parties will merge anymore. The wildrose base will likely vote against unity and these recent stories won't help the unity movement.
Kenney is secret NDP mole sent to destroy the Alberta right from the inside?
Even if the world over rejects the nativist fascism à la Trump, he still has the power to singelhandedly smash the balance of power and send the world careening into instability not seen since the Cold War. The margin for error is paper-thin.
And the vaunted American institutions aren't as formidable as many (myself included) believed. The GOP and extremists are discarding norms, protocol, and fundamentally do not care to uphold those institutions... so they wither and protect precious little. The country is lurching toward an authoritarian one-party state, and folks looking to their institutions to save them instead of upholding them and checking the President are effectively doing nothing but watching matters worsen. People need to be fighting for free and fair elections in 2018, and not just getting out the vote. People need to be bringing down 45 by any and every available means as fast as possible, not waiting for the Republic to save itself.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
lol the Republicans already jammed through their SCOTUS pick by using the "nuclear option".
Rules based on tradition are basically out the window now.
I'm still waiting to see if Democrats win 2018, particularly when they can't unite the left and socialists are willing to try to primary centrist Democrats.
Rules based on tradition are basically out the window now.
I'm still waiting to see if Democrats win 2018, particularly when they can't unite the left and socialists are willing to try to primary centrist Democrats.
The calgary herald posted a recent piece on the wildrose party and the unity vote to.
http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/discord-among-wildrose-party-ranks-grows-as-unity-vote-nears
http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/discord-among-wildrose-party-ranks-grows-as-unity-vote-nears
On the Ontario election front, there have been some interesting developments.
I went with a friend to the Conservative riding association's Nominee meeting to hear the speeches and gauge the general attitude of the group. The mean age had to be approximately 65 years of age (there were some young people but not many). Everyone seemed very happy and confident; all of the nominees were congenial in their speaking, acknowledging they have a large amount of work ahead of them to broaden their voting base within the region.
I have also heard that OPSEU is being offered a 7.5% wage increase over four years with no apparent concessions. OPSEU members working for the LCBO are scheduled to go on strike on June 29th. I wonder why the government would offer such a deal at this time?
Several friends and myself are of the impression that the Liberals are going to go on the offensive and call a snap election. The most intelligent time to do this would be in October, as the Conservatives have their policy meeting in November. If they were to do so, they would be catching the NDP off-guard as their administration is... not in the best shape. It would be a huge gamble but one that could pay off if their competition to the left is unprepared and the right do not have their complete policies and talking points in order.
Edit:
Found the OPSEU link: https://opseu.org/news/opseu-members-ops-vote-june-20-22-employer-rollover-offer
7.5% over 4 years is ok. Not great. Basically just keeping up with inflation, assuming that sticks around the target 2% per year or so. This would be after years of increases that were below inflation and effectively lowering OPSEU members' pay.
There should be increases to bring things more in line to where they would be if not held to below inflation increases, and in response to the increase in the minimum wage.
Compare 7.5% over 4 years to how the senior management at Colleges in Ontario tried to propose they receive a 50 percent increase in their compensation (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...r-raises-of-more-than-100000/article33652927/).
That increase was rejected, thankfully, but an increase that at best just keeps up with inflation for your rank-and-file workers is nothing to dance about.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I mean Wynne is already playing the "if you vote for them you'll lose the new minimum wage" card, so shit's going down.
If she says strong and stable though, we're done. lol
If she says strong and stable though, we're done. lol
The Sun: Kathleen Wynne Promises Money Tree, Delivers Weak Willow
You Are Viewtiful
Member
Isn't it going up to $14/hr starting next year? It goes up with inflation after that, so it would be $14.30 if Conservatives win and $15 if Liberals win.
Simon Belmont
Banned
So after dropping 6 points in polling last quarter, the Liberals are holding steady at 40% support.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/grenier-quarterly-polls-jun2017-1.4158229
Be interesting to see if Scheer can move the needle at all.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/grenier-quarterly-polls-jun2017-1.4158229
Be interesting to see if Scheer can move the needle at all.
New US ambassador is the wife of a billionaire coal magnate.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kelly-knight-craft-canada-1.4161325
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kelly-knight-craft-canada-1.4161325
Honestly, I expect Scheer's biggest accomplishment from now until 2019 is to pull the CPC to the right of Harper and see if that finds an audience. There was a surprising amount of support for anti-choice, anti-LGBT Islamophobes candidates during the leadership run (Trost was #4, Leitch was #6, etc.) so I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to engage with or attempt to appease that part of their base.
Good timing!
I remember an earlier version of that being debated back when I worked in my MP's constituency office in 2010. We used to get the odd crank writing letters to complain about it. I was in charge of communications and started to draft a rebuttal laying out our position at one point, but the boss said to just send a "thank you for your letter" response, as it wasn't worth engaging with them on that point.
The BC Liberals have made it clear they won't put forward a speaker candidate, so we're heading into very rough constitutional waters in BC.
gutter_trash
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drain the swamp,
fill it with coal
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