CBO Doubles the Cost for Obamacare

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President Obama's national health care law will cost $1.76 trillion over a decade, according to a new projection released today by the Congressional Budget Office, rather than the $940 billion forecast when it was signed into law.

Democrats employed many accounting tricks when they were pushing through the national health care legislation, the most egregious of which was to delay full implementation of the law until 2014, so it would appear cheaper under the CBO's standard ten-year budget window and, at least on paper, meet Obama's pledge that the legislation would cost "around $900 billion over 10 years." When the final CBO score came out before passage, critics noted that the true 10 year cost would be far higher than advertised once projections accounted for full implementation.

Today, the CBO released new projections from 2013 extending through 2022, and the results are as critics expected: the ten-year cost of the law's core provisions to expand health insurance coverage has now ballooned to $1.76 trillion. That's because we now have estimates for Obamacare's first nine years of full implementation, rather than the mere six when it was signed into law. Only next year will we get a true ten-year cost estimate, if the law isn't overturned by the Supreme Court or repealed by then. Given that in 2022, the last year available, the gross cost of the coverage expansions are $265 billion, we're likely looking at about $2 trillion over the first decade, or more than double what Obama advertised.

As someone working in the health insurance industry, I can't wait to hear the Supreme Court arguments, should be fascinating. I'm not sure that if it stays or goes will really affect our business (we may actually be helped if it's upheld, in some ways).
 
Think of the poor insurance companies!!!!!

/s

Taking them out of the equation, what about the millions that work for them as well as agents who sell insurance, etc. It's the same reason we'll never get a flat/simplified tax system - a lot of accountants and lawyers out of work.
 
Misleading thread title. CBO estimates are for 10 years. They never said it would be $940B for every 10 year window in the future. New 10 year window, new estimate.


Garbage government project over budget.... shocking

It's not a budget, and the previous estimate was for the first 10 years. There is no point comparing it to this number for the next 10 years.
 
As someone working in the health insurance industry, I can't wait to hear the Supreme Court arguments, should be fascinating. I'm not sure that if it stays or goes will really affect our business (we may actually be helped if it's upheld, in some ways).

Erm, didn't you claim to be a pharmacist but not know how birth control works? Yeah, I wouldn't trust you to have a competent opinion on anything, even if it's your job.
 
Erm, didn't you claim to be a pharmacist but not know how birth control works? Yeah, I wouldn't trust you to have a competent opinion on anything, even if it's your job.

I know how birth control works, you assumed I didn't because you assumed that when one mentions birth control, they must be referring to pills. I wasn't referring to pills.
 
Step 1. Raise taxes
Step 2. Universal health care
Step 3. Find new jobs for people who work in health insurance

That's how I would do it if I were presimedent.

They don't even need new jobs. You can continue to have a private industry for rich people that think they are too good for public services. Same as we have a public system (Medicare) and private system coexisting today.
 
WHAT?

Washington Examiner? Really?

Anyway, here is the article from Hill

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatc...st-less-cover-fewer-people-than-first-thought

President Obama's healthcare reform law coverage provisons will cost less but cover fewer people than first thought, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Tuesday.

The law's coverage provisions are now expected to cost $1.083 trillion over the next 10 years, $50 billion less than the $1.131 trillion projected last year.

I don't know what fucking CBO report the Examiner was reading, but considering the paper's reputation, it makes sense that they read what they wanted to read.

Edit: Mod should link this in the article. Most organizations are reporting that CBO analysis says it will cost less but also help less people.
 
Step one: Find way to lower cost of healthcare so everyone can afford it without going into debt
Step two: ?
Step Three: Profit.
 
Step 1. Raise taxes
Step 2. Universal health care
Step 3. Find new jobs for people who work in health insurance

That's how I would do it if I were presimedent.

Raising taxes during a recession? Brilliant, wait....did I turn this into a political thread?
 
Step one: Find way to lower cost of healthcare so everyone can afford it without going into debt
Step two: ?
Step Three: Profit.

Make the government pay for it via taxes. Do like every other first world nation does. Get on it USA! Let's make Breaking Bad a thing of the past.
 
WHAT?

Washington Examiner? Really?

Anyway, here is the article from Hill

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatc...st-less-cover-fewer-people-than-first-thought


I don't know what fucking CBO report the Examiner was reading, but considering the paper's reputation, it makes sense that they read what they wanted to read.

Edit: Mod should link this in the article. Most organizations are reporting that CBO analysis says it will cost less but also help less people.

This is a Kosmo thread, what the fuck did you expect? He's a well known right wing troll with absolutely no regard for the facts, so I'd be shocked if whatever he's linking to was a legitimate source.
 
Make the government pay for it via taxes. Do like every other first world nation does. Get on it USA! Let's make Breaking Bad a thing of the past.

But why when we have trillion dollar industries that profit from death and suffering?
 
Make the government pay for it via taxes. Do like every other first world nation does. Get on it USA! Let's make Breaking Bad a thing of the past.

Name another first world nation with a universal health care system with over 300 million people. How about even 100 million.
 
Here's the CBO report (PDF link, HTML landing page here if you want it).

Couple quotes:
CBO and JCT now estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA will have a net cost of just under $1.1 trillion over the 2012–2021 period—about $50 billion less than the agencies’ March 2011 estimate for that 10-year period
The current estimate of the gross costs of the coverage provisions ($1,496 billion through 2021) is about $50 billion higher than last year’s projection; however, the other budgetary effects of those provisions, which partially offset those gross costs, also have increased in CBO and JCT’s estimates (to $413 billion), leading to the small decrease in the net 10-year tally. Over the 10-year period from 2012 through 2021, enactment of the coverage provisions of the ACA was projected last March to increase federal deficits by $1,131 billion, whereas the March 2012 estimate indicates that those provisions will increase deficits by $1,083 billion.
This report also presents estimates through fiscal year 2022, because the baseline projection period now extends through that additional year. The ACA’s provisions related to insurance coverage are now projected to have a net cost of $1,252 billion over the 2012–2022 period (see Table 2, following the text); that amount represents a gross cost to the federal government of $1,762 billion, offset in part by $510 billion in receipts and other budgetary effects (primarily revenues from penalties and other sources).
Dunno if there is any substance to Kosmo's article, or if it's just the usual sort of lying wingnut smear.
 
Think of the poor insurance companies!!!!!

The insurance companies are actually not the reason why health care is so pricey in the US. They have profit margins of about 2 percent. Whereas some drug and medical devices companies hover around 20%.

What I'm curious about is WHY, in the current system, the insurance companies seem to have so little power in negotiating health care pricing. If you buy something in bulk, you should be able to negotiate, right? Buying something in bulk should give you the power to exercise some control over the pricing, right?

Why do insurance companies just pass the cost onto employers who then pass the cost onto the employee who sees more and more of his salary disappear due to insurance costs?

(And this doesn't even address the amount of unnecessary medical care that's wasted--another problem that needs fixing.)
 
And then we read the report:

http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/03-13-Coverage Estimates.pdf

CBO and JCT now estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA will have a net cost of just under $1.1 trillion over the 2012–2021 period—about $50 billion less than the agencies’ March 2011 estimate for that 10-year period.

The current estimate of the gross costs of the coverage provisions ($1,496 billion through 2021) is about $50 billion higher than last year’s projection; however, the other budgetary effects of those provisions, which partially offset those gross costs, also have increased in CBO and JCT’s estimates (to $413 billion), leading to the small decrease in the net 10-year tally. Over the 10-year period from 2012 through 2021, enactment of the coverage provisions of the ACA was projected last March to increase federal deficits by $1,131 billion, whereas the March 2012 estimate indicates that those provisions will increase deficits by $1,083 billion. The net cost was boosted by an additional $168 billion in estimated costs for Medicaid and CHIP and $8 billion less in estimated revenues from the excise tax on high-premium health insurance plans. But those increases were more than offset by a reduction of $97 billion in the projected costs for the tax credits and other subsidies for health insurance provided through the exchanges and related spending, a reduction of $20 billion in the projected costs for tax credits for small employers, and a reduction of $107 billion in deficits from the projected revenue effects of changes in taxable compensation and penalty payments and from other small changes in estimated spending.

This report also presents estimates through fiscal year 2022, because the baseline projection period now extends through that additional year. The ACA’s provisions related to insurance coverage are now projected to have a net cost of $1,252 billion over the 2012–2022 period (see Table 2, following the text); that amount represents a gross cost to the federal government of $1,762 billion, offset in part by $510 billion in receipts and other budgetary effects (primarily revenues from penalties and other sources). The addition of 2022 to the projection period has the effect of increasing the costs of the coverage provisions of the ACA relative to those projected in March 2011 for the 2012–2021 period because that change adds a year in which the expansion of eligibility for Medicaid and subsidies for health insurance purchased through the exchanges will be in effect. CBO and JCT have not estimated the budgetary effects in 2022 of the other provisions of the ACA; over the 2012–2021 period, those other provisions were previously estimated to reduce budget deficits.

Shameless.
 
Name another first world nation with a universal health care system with over 300 million people. How about even 100 million.

We're already covering most of our old and sick. Normally, in a group plan, you want a lot more healthy people to cover for the sick. We're just doing it in the most inefficient way possible.
 
Horrible, Washington Examiner. Horrible.

CBO's publication: http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/03-13-Coverage Estimates.pdf

CBO and JCT now estimate that the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA will have a net cost of just under $1.1 trillion over the 2012–2021 period—about $50 billion less than the agencies’ March 2011 estimate for that 10-year period (see Table 1, following the text).3

The current estimate of the gross costs of the coverage provisions ($1,496 billion through 2021) is about $50 billion higher than last year’s projection; however, the other budgetary effects of those provisions, which partially offset those gross costs, also have increased in CBO and JCT’s estimates (to $413 billion), leading to the small decrease in the net 10-year tally. Over the 10-year period from 2012 through 2021, enactment of the coverage provisions of the ACA was projected last March to increase federal deficits by $1,131 billion, whereas the March 2012 estimate indicates that those provisions will increase deficits by $1,083 billion.

This report also presents estimates through fiscal year 2022, because the baseline projection period now extends through that additional year. The ACA’s provisions related to insurance coverage are now projected to have a net cost of $1,252 billion over the 2012–2022 period (see Table 2, following the text); that amount represents a gross cost to the federal government of $1,762 billion, offset in part by $510 billion in receipts and other budgetary effects (primarily revenues from penalties and other sources).

Edit: Just beaten, damn.
 
It is harder to provide healthcare to 300 million than 50 million period.

Healthcare is already being provided to 300 million people (kind of) as it is. It's not that there isn't health care being provided, it's just an inefficient system with profiteering playing a big role as well.


1. The US has 100 million people on government health care
2. Ever heard of per capita?

Yes, exactly.
 
There are people who thought it would be within the original budget estimates? Does that ever happen? Why would it happen when a constantly cost inflating industry filled to the brim with new tech, higher salaries, & more coverage requirements?

Doesn't matter. Make it work!
shadowsdarknes said:
Name another first world nation with a universal health care system with over 300 million people. How about even 100 million.
Uh, China Duh!
 
There are people who thought it would be within the original budget estimates? Does that ever happen? Why would it happen when a constantly cost inflating industry filled to the brim with new tech, higher salaries, & more coverage requirements?

Doesn't matter. Make it work!
Uh, China Duh!

Read the new information brah.
 
So much fail by a single poster

If the problem was as simple as you say it is, it would have been remedied a long time ago. Your just the typical GAFer, thinking the world is a simple place with simple solutions when in fact it's a very delicate system that can be offset if the right solution isn't set in place.

I don't think the U.S is in a position to provide universal healthcare to every citizen. Doesn't mean I'm against it.
 
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