CD Project Red:Having Ciri as lead will help explore Witchers Sexism [Clickbait, read the actual quotes]

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Oh boy, here we go again. Geralt as a character has flaws
If he wants to whore around or be a womanizer, so be it. Characters without flaws, are boring. Stories with woke ideological lessons for gamers to learn is something gamers don't want. When will developers ever learn?
 
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Wouldn't this need to be the case in any game with a female lead in a medieval setting?

Let's just trust CD Red. They aren't going to ignore that she's a female and just have the whole world treat her as a man. That's the kind of thing western devs do (de sexualize everyone). I expect all sorts of lewd and funny comments toward her when she goes into taverns.
 
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I really don't get the hate for Ciri as lead, but this statement doesn't help. To me it makes sense and she doesn't look like a bald Goblin. I'm fine with that.
 
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So I don't think it's going to be this story everywhere, but since this is a part of this world, and we want to tackle so many of those different themes, it's definitely also going to appear there as well.

As long as it's not central, I don't care. Sexism and racism have been addressed in prior Witcher games as a 3rd party (Geralt) so this isn't anything new. If they make it a central point, which it sounds like this quote they're not, then this is a non-issue.
 
I'm thinking about developing a a browser add on that silences all CDPR corporate nonsense for the forseeable future. The last thing I want is another 6 years of 2-3 'articles' every week discussing every aspect of the game when all they have to show is a faked CGI trailer.
 
One does not exclude the other. You can have characters with flaws and put your finger into subjects like sexism.

You can say a lot of negative things about CDPR but there characters and stories are some of the best in the industry. Stop spreading fear based on out of context headlines.
 
Thats not what he said. here are his exact quotes:

"I mean, I would say the world of The Witcher is a really dark one that's really inspired by, of course, dark fantasy folklore," Weber commented, when asked about the game's portrayal of gender politics and sexism. "But also medieval to early Renaissance history, and that is a world that was tough - tough for many different groups, women among them. As an example, in The Witcher, we also deal a lot with racism when it comes to non-humans, and this is something that we want to keep up with The Witcher 4. I think it's something that has always been really important.

"We make games for adults, and it also means that we tackle some difficult topics," he suggested. "We tackle them in interesting ways. We tackle them without giving easy answers, but often opening difficult questions that players have to answer. And I think some of those questions might be going in this direction as well, because, yeah, Ciri is a woman, and as a witcher in this world, this is an unusual state. So I don't think it's going to be this story everywhere, but since this is a part of this world, and we want to tackle so many of those different themes, it's definitely also going to appear there as well."

He never even said the word sexism once and the Witcher games always dealt with racism against non-humans and abuse towards women. Stop making topics about these garbage-ass clickbait "journalists". Fuck sake. You guys really eat up every shit from social media nowadays. Embarrassing.
 
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So i actually read the article and what they're saying makes complete sense with context.


"I think for me, and I think for all of us [at CDPR], it's also just really exciting to see all the opportunities that Ciri brings us, both with her character, and also by just virtue of who she is, what we can do with her in terms of the gameplay as well," Weber said. "So I think the best answer for us, for those people that really are worried right now, is basically to show them, when we are ready, that we really do this well and with care."


Did CD Projekt consider introducing a custom Witcher 4 protagonist, Eurogamer asked, as in Cyberpunk 2077? "I think, honestly, this character-driven storytelling has been always in the DNA of our Witcher games," said Weber. "First with Geralt, and then, of course, we started setting up Ciri as a second protagonist in The Witcher 3, and now we want to continue with her as well."

Weber added that what makes Ciri an intriguing choice of protag is partly that she isn't quite a witcher. She might not be a fully customisable character, but she has room to grow where grizzly Ger had already nailed down his Eastwoodian outsider persona by the time he became a video game leading man.

"One of the things that makes Ciri into an interesting new protagonist for us is, of course, also that she is at the beginning of her journey as a witcher," said Weber. "So as an example, Geralt was very, very experienced already. He went through so many things. And, you know, he created his own code, his value of neutrality, he created through so many experiences. And Ciri still has to make many of those experiences. She has to go through so many of these things.

"So in a way, even though Ciri is, of course, a defined character, with her, players will have the opportunity to still define her quite a bit more, specifically define the path that she will take on her way to becoming a witcher, and basically also what kind of person that will make her."


Naturally, Ciri also promises to bring a fresh perspective to the broadly misogynistic, alternately sensitive and pervy universe of The Witcher, a video game series that once let you collect porno cards for female characters, and still loves to make a spectacle of its nubile sorceresses.

"I mean, I would say the world of The Witcher is a really dark one that's really inspired by, of course, dark fantasy folklore," Weber commented, when asked about the game's portrayal of gender politics and sexism. "But also medieval to early Renaissance history, and that is a world that was tough - tough for many different groups, women among them. As an example, in The Witcher, we also deal a lot with racism when it comes to non-humans, and this is something that we want to keep up with The Witcher 4. I think it's something that has always been really important.

"We make games for adults, and it also means that we tackle some difficult topics," he suggested. "We tackle them in interesting ways. We tackle them without giving easy answers, but often opening difficult questions that players have to answer. And I think some of those questions might be going in this direction as well, because, yeah, Ciri is a woman, and as a witcher in this world, this is an unusual state. So I don't think it's going to be this story everywhere, but since this is a part of this world, and we want to tackle so many of those different themes, it's definitely also going to appear there as well."
 
I'm actually glad they said this - next time some retard claims "iTs NoT wOkE jUsT bEcAuSe Of CiRi" I can just post this.

No, it's woke because they are saying it's woke. And it's them saying it.
Also don't forget this one CD Projekt Red's Franchise & Lore Designer Is Former Games Journalist Who Wants To Punch Gamers

And here is what this "Franchise and Lore Designer" for Witcher 4 said about the Netflix Witcher series.

"Annoys me when people say Netflix's Witcher writers don't respect the lore. They have made sweeping changes, yes. Some of them have been questionable, others have been outright bad. But it is crystal clear that they love and respect Sapkowski's books. That is a lazy criticism."

So expect Netflix Witcher level of respect for Witcher lore in Witcher 4.

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I wouldn't call this woke yet if it's just some form of light based sexism. Like I can see some parts of the game maybe a village where some of of the people would doubt Ciri could do as good of a job as a normal male Witcher which she then prove them wrong when she comes back with the monsters head. Something like this seems normal and alright without going toward the trashy woke route.
 
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Oh boy, here we go again. Geralt as a character has flaws
If he wants to whore around or be a womanizer, so be it. Characters without flaws, are boring. Stories with woke, ideological lessons for gamers to learn is something gamers don't want. When will developers ever learn?


Maybe you should read the actual article and what the developer wrote?

It has literally nothing to do with the crap you put into your OP

"I mean, I would say the world of The Witcher is a really dark one that's really inspired by, of course, dark fantasy folklore," Weber commented, when asked about the game's portrayal of gender politics and sexism. "But also medieval to early Renaissance history, and that is a world that was tough - tough for many different groups, women among them. As an example, in The Witcher, we also deal a lot with racism when it comes to non-humans, and this is something that we want to keep up with The Witcher 4. I think it's something that has always been really important.

This makes sense and there is nothing being spoke of that has nothing to do with woke idiological stuff you are proclaiming.

Can't you guys fucking read at least?

"We make games for adults, and it also means that we tackle some difficult topics," he suggested. "We tackle them in interesting ways. We tackle them without giving easy answers, but often opening difficult questions that players have to answer. And I think some of those questions might be going in this direction as well, because, yeah, Ciri is a woman, and as a witcher in this world, this is an unusual state
 
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Same sexism that make sorceresses make themselves beautiful with magic and being promiscuous ? Just check what Geralt was busy doing with Koral...
 
The writer of this article took us all for a ride, adding his own spin and bullshit the dev never said.

Naturally, Ciri also promises to bring a fresh perspective to the broadly misogynistic, alternately sensitive and pervy universe of The Witcher, a video game series that once let you collect porno cards for female characters, and still loves to make a spectacle of its nubile sorceresses.
 
Any fan of the series and books knows Ciri is OP as fuck and if there was a woman that could become a Witcher it was her, there was no need say shit, but here we are...
 
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You know, when I was playing Witcher 3, I kept saying to myself, "Instead of fighting monsters, I really wish I was exploring this world's sexism."
 
The writer of this article took us all for a ride, adding his own spin and bullshit the dev never said.

Naturally, Ciri also promises to bring a fresh perspective to the broadly misogynistic, alternately sensitive and pervy universe of The Witcher, a video game series that once let you collect porno cards for female characters, and still loves to make a spectacle of its nubile sorceresses.

The whole article reads like conjecture and misinformation. Sexism and racism have been themes of the game already. The only mention at all is that playing as Ciri gives a different perspective on it. The only other comment on it is that it won't be the story everywhere.

Reads like click-bait and it's working for GAF.
 
Wouldn't this need to be the case in any game with a female lead in a medieval setting?

Let's just trust CD Red. They aren't going to ignore that she's a female and just have the whole world treat her as a man. That's the kind of thing western devs do (de sexualize everyone). I expect all sorts of lewd and funny comments toward her when she goes into taverns.

Ofcourse it would. These folks see a headline and without reading any further they are proclaiming woke.

This is the bullshit we need to get rid of.
 
It wasn't the fans who wrote the lore about Witcher though so I'm not sure I understand something like that. Whatever makes people feel better I guess, just remember that normal folk didn't treat Geralt well in their games.
 
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Here is the relevant information from the Rock, Paper, Scissors article.

It starts with the interviewer baiting CD Project Red into the racism and sexism angle:
Interviewer:
Naturally, Ciri also promises to bring a fresh perspective to the broadly misogynistic, alternately sensitive and pervy universe of The Witcher, a video game series that once let you collect porno cards for female characters, and still loves to make a spectacle of its nubile sorceresses.

CDPR:
"I mean, I would say the world of The Witcher is a really dark one that's really inspired by, of course, dark fantasy folklore," Weber commented, when asked about the game's portrayal of gender politics and sexism. "But also medieval to early Renaissance history, and that is a world that was tough - tough for many different groups, women among them. As an example, in The Witcher, we also deal a lot with racism when it comes to non-humans, and this is something that we want to keep up with The Witcher 4. I think it's something that has always been really important."
 
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I mean, a female Witcher is a novel thing.

There would definitely be some form of discrimination. I just don't see it as a topic to be focused on. Geralt was treated like an outcast even if he is a typical Witcher but I see it more as a world building aspect and not a social thing to be delved into.
 
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"their games aren't woke just because CDPR talks about ESG and DEI nonstop"
"Witcher 4 won't be woke even though the lore designer sounds like Anita Sarkeesian"
"Witcher 4 won't be woke just because it starts Ciri who underwent a masculine facial bone realignment surgery after Witcher 3"
"Witcher 4 won't be woke just because the lead dev says they will use Ciri to explore sexism"
YOU ARE HERE
 
For me, as long there is no misuse of gender pronouns, binary crap, or any gender ideology crap being force and push, then this game is fine for me. And she still looks good.
 
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Doesn't this make sense though? You guys really think Nilfgard and Temaria are progressive, forward thinking people? These people still wipe their ass with hay. The subject matter isn't the issue, it's whether or not they come off too preachy and ham fisted about it.
 
"their games aren't woke just because CDPR talks about ESG and DEI nonstop"
"Witcher 4 won't be woke even though the lore designer sounds like Anita Sarkeesian"
"Witcher 4 won't be woke just because it starts Ciri who underwent a masculine facial bone realignment surgery after Witcher 3"
"Witcher 4 won't be woke just because the lead dev says they will use Ciri to explore sexism"
YOU ARE HERE

We get it, you hate all previous CDPR games because they are obviously DEI infested trashholes.

TW3 and Cyberpunk are clear examples of that

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Not a fan of the directions CDPR has been taking but I decided to read the article to make sure considering the source and:

HE DIDN'T SAY THAT.

So yeah, this is 100% clickbait.
 
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