Elysium44
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Unfortunately nowadays console players are often forced to play with PC players, which is how games like Forza became full of cheaters too.
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Cheating on the PC has gotten completely out of control
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Unfortunately nowadays console players are often forced to play with PC players, which is how games like Forza became full of cheaters too.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
How can everyone spot cheaters so easily. They should just pay GAF to watch games and ban cheaters - problem solved.
I have definitely encountered cheaters - the super obvious ones, Battlefront I remember with a guy with a fully auto laser cannon that would instantly aim on you, and the odd sneaky one, Bad Company 2 with a sniper that would instantly hide as soon as I spotted him. But most of the time I assume they are just better than me, quake 1 I remember players who could have a rocket heading to most of the spawn points by the time you respawned.
I have definitely encountered cheaters - the super obvious ones, Battlefront I remember with a guy with a fully auto laser cannon that would instantly aim on you, and the odd sneaky one, Bad Company 2 with a sniper that would instantly hide as soon as I spotted him. But most of the time I assume they are just better than me, quake 1 I remember players who could have a rocket heading to most of the spawn points by the time you respawned.
drotahorror
Member
RDO Lobby Manager
This is a simple tool that uses a workaround to create a private lobby in RDO.The private lobby not only makes the world feel more dynamic, it also keeps out cheaters.No multiplayer activi
www.nexusmods.com
Check that mod out for RDR2. Private lobbies with friends.
calistan
Member
How can you tell if the person is cheating? I mean, I don't record my gaming sessions and analyse them in forensic detail like some of those youtube folk do, and replay theatres (like CoD and Halo used to have) are quite unusual in online games these days.
There's obvious stuff, like the other day when one of my CoD MWIII opponents began the match with a high level killstreak reward that's so rare, I've never seen it in regular gameplay. A blatant cheat, or maybe a glitch. Who knows?
But other things, such as somebody getting a ridiculously high kill/death ratio or whatever. I can't tell if he's just some camping bastard who knows a really good place to hide.
There's obvious stuff, like the other day when one of my CoD MWIII opponents began the match with a high level killstreak reward that's so rare, I've never seen it in regular gameplay. A blatant cheat, or maybe a glitch. Who knows?
But other things, such as somebody getting a ridiculously high kill/death ratio or whatever. I can't tell if he's just some camping bastard who knows a really good place to hide.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
Every competitive game now has cheaters. I for one can’t wait for cloud gaming to be the norm as it makes it much tougher to cheat. My sons a pro esports player and has never cheated but know there are other pros who do to win prize pools. Cheating in a solo game if fine I guess but those who do it in competitive are horrible people.
Gamerguy84
Member
One of the biggest reasons I play mostly single player games. That and I suck anyway. B
BlackTron
Member
I remember when cheating in a MP game just meant you were killing time being an asshole. Now it's rewarded with social fame?! Worst timeline
sendit
Member
No way has Xbox Gold brain washed you this much.
calistan
Member
But how can you tell? You see all these videos with people showing you wallhacks, cheats that give you mouse speed plus joypad auto-aim, etc, but how do you know it's actually widespread, and how do you know if you're a victim of it?
Here's one from my recent games list. I joined in progress, the game ended unnaturally quickly, and one player on my team got nearly 3x as many kills as anyone else. He also didn't collect the tags, which is the actual objective in this mode, and he had very few deaths.
Was he cheating? Is he just really good at sitting in a corner, shooting everyone who's playing the objective? I have no idea.
Here's one from my recent games list. I joined in progress, the game ended unnaturally quickly, and one player on my team got nearly 3x as many kills as anyone else. He also didn't collect the tags, which is the actual objective in this mode, and he had very few deaths.
Was he cheating? Is he just really good at sitting in a corner, shooting everyone who's playing the objective? I have no idea.
Griffon
Member
It has absolutely nothing to do with arbitrary sub fees for P2P online play on consoles.
Back when Sony and Nintendo online were free, they didn't have cheaters either.
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Larxia
Member
RDR2 is horrible online because of this =/ Every time I try to play it, there is someone who teleports me around, put me on fire, send NPCs to attack me... All kind of random stuff like this. It's incredibly annoying, and if you try to play for the immersion of RDR, it's even worse.
The type of cheat that I think I hate the MOST however, is leaderboard cheating. Why? Because I love scoring in arcade games, and leaderboards are super interesting and fun on such games, they can push you to try being better and better at something, because you know it's possible to do better. Sadly, with cheats, the leaderboards, in all games, are filled with cheated scores and you don't know what score is legit or not... I really hate that...
The type of cheat that I think I hate the MOST however, is leaderboard cheating. Why? Because I love scoring in arcade games, and leaderboards are super interesting and fun on such games, they can push you to try being better and better at something, because you know it's possible to do better. Sadly, with cheats, the leaderboards, in all games, are filled with cheated scores and you don't know what score is legit or not... I really hate that...
TwiztidElf
Member
It's what made me tap out on Street Fighter 6.
I was very sad about it.
I was very sad about it.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
There’s so many ‘legit cheats’ beyond the obvious brightness/contrast optimisation, better hardware naturally enabling higher resolution, framerate, VRR and even BFI for clearer vision.
Selectively adjusting graphics settings to increase visibility:
• Field of View (max/increase)
• Depth of Field (off/reduce)
• Level of Detail (usually multiple settings, minimise visual noise and occlusions)
If you’re not already hitting max res/framerate, the reduced settings help get you there!
Some displays have customisable crosshair overlays, alternatively: masking tape. Playing an online pool/snooker game? Whip out a straight-edge to help line up shots!
Selectively adjusting graphics settings to increase visibility:
• Field of View (max/increase)
• Depth of Field (off/reduce)
• Level of Detail (usually multiple settings, minimise visual noise and occlusions)
If you’re not already hitting max res/framerate, the reduced settings help get you there!
Some displays have customisable crosshair overlays, alternatively: masking tape. Playing an online pool/snooker game? Whip out a straight-edge to help line up shots!
Wildebeest
Member
From my understanding, a lot of people who do it are already bored with the game. Some even think they are doing something "noble" by showing people how the game is imperfect and hackable. Then you have the genuine narc type personalities who get off on being seen as a hotshot and think the cheats are just a way of massaging their image, so people can see them as being as great as they see themselves at their best.
Bernardougf
Member
When exactly has been "under" control ?? I dont play on PC since the ps3 era and even then this shit was full of cheats.
This is definitely a part of it, back when I was playing battlefield 1 there was always someone in a bomber or tank that wouldn't really play the objective and just kill farm. I would be on a side completely getting rolled yet our top player would be like 100/0 kd and would be accused of cheating even though it was pretty clear the only thing they were guilty of was not being a team player.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Street Fighter 6 had cheaters?
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
I assume you can't make the games ring fence by geographic location and just make all the Chinese and Russians play on the same servers? Not saying they're the only ones to cheat but let's face it they are mostly a shower of cunts and nobody wants to play with them so that'd be a first good step in the right direction to at least reduce it
winjer
Gold Member
There was a time when MP games on PC came with it's own SDK.
Meaning gamers had the power to create and manage their own servers.
Frequently we had servers hosted by clans, that would police servers and ban cheaters.
There was also the option to vote to kick or ban other users. This sometimes was abused by some users, but most often, it was a good way to get rid of cheaters.
But now game companies are control freaks that refuse to give any power to gamers, even if it would benefit the community.
The reality is that humans are much better at anti-cheaters than any program.
Meaning gamers had the power to create and manage their own servers.
Frequently we had servers hosted by clans, that would police servers and ban cheaters.
There was also the option to vote to kick or ban other users. This sometimes was abused by some users, but most often, it was a good way to get rid of cheaters.
But now game companies are control freaks that refuse to give any power to gamers, even if it would benefit the community.
The reality is that humans are much better at anti-cheaters than any program.
Spyxos
Member
In Gta online and Red Dead it is extremely easy to tell that someone is cheating. They teleport and are immortal . They can spawn things in the world and kill you in countless ways that don't exist in the game.
I noticed speed hacks in Cod Warzone. And in the killcam you can often see very clearly that he is already running and positioning himself towards the opponent even though he can't see him through the wall and the opponent is very far away. What's more, every shot hits, even though you can see from the cheater's movement that he's not even remotly capable of doing so. But there are also people who hide it very well. I'm never sure whether they're cheating or not. Lately I've noticed that a lot of people don't even try to hide it anymore and cheat openly.
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ThatPolishGuy
Member
Sony only just recently blocked this attachment it was unblocked for what 3-4 years, on Xbox it is still unblocked. On PC you can use this without issues whatsoever- untracable aimbot basically. It has profiles for different games also. Not only COD.
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Schmick
Member
I'm not denying cheating exists but how do you tell apart those who are cheating and those who are just really good at the game.
I've been accused of cheating a few times playing CS2. And I can tell you I do not cheat (and wouldn't even know how to or feel inclined to). In fact what I find frustrating is being kicked from a match because some sore losers think I am and can simply kick me by starting a kick vote. One match one player kept starting a kick vote every couple of minutes. The vote kept failing and the player just kept sending abuse towards me. The player must of started at least 5-7 kick votes and in the end was eventually successful and I was kicked.
I've been accused of cheating a few times playing CS2. And I can tell you I do not cheat (and wouldn't even know how to or feel inclined to). In fact what I find frustrating is being kicked from a match because some sore losers think I am and can simply kick me by starting a kick vote. One match one player kept starting a kick vote every couple of minutes. The vote kept failing and the player just kept sending abuse towards me. The player must of started at least 5-7 kick votes and in the end was eventually successful and I was kicked.
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ZVWQP-9B8TM-VH9CT
Member
thank god overwatch is almost free of cheaters. It's really rare to encounter one, to the point there is only one cheater per 1000 hours of gameplay on average.
calistan
Member
That sounds like people wanting to get rid of somebody who is dominating the game.
If the multiplayer games I play had an option to remove somebody who was winning too much, I’d probably vote to kick him.
Unless ms become unfriendly again like Don Mattrick, some people like his attitude, I don't.
I've never had an Xbox so no idea what you're talking about.
Online games should never be free because you need the filter the undesirables and the children, otherwise it's always going to be a mess especially on PC where everyone thinks they're a 1337 h4x0r
Rawbutt Jellybean
Member
Paying a subscription doesn't prevent people from cheating. PS3 didn't have a cheater problem.
It's everything to do with the freedom you get on PC which has pros and cons which unfortunately include ease of cheating. Whether or not the game has a subscription service (go look at botting that's plagued some MMOs nonstop for decades).
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ZVWQP-9B8TM-VH9CT
Member
By the time 10 gbps connections are prevalent to allow cloud gaming, AI cheats with cameras watching the screens will have almost no lag.
Dorfdad
Gold Member
Yeah probably right they will find a way to cheat but I think it will help reduce it immensely.
Spyxos
Member
There was also a time in Overwatch 1 when there were a lot of cheaters, then they somehow got it under control.
Spyxos
Member
Which games do you play?
No it's not. Xbox blocked unlicensed accessories last November. But of course the reaction was quite different.
Rumor - Report: Xbox will start banning unlicensed third party (wireless) controllers in November
https://insider-gaming.com/xbox-ban-third-party-wireless-controller/ In the last few days, some Xbox gamers have been taking to social circles the world over to discuss concerns with third-party wireless controllers. Put simply, they’re being banned from using them after a two-week window...
Spyxos
Member
Yes, you can also cheat on the consoles, but the effort is much greater. On the PC, after a quick google search, you already have your cheats. In addition, your entire console will be banned if you are caught.
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LordCBH
Member
Cheaters in online games are fucking assholes. I especially hate when a game has anti-cheat that just straight up doesn’t work (fuck you bungie. Last trials match I did had a dude firing around and aimbotting through walls.)
People who cheat in online mp games are no dick losers and I hope their PSU fries their pc.
People who cheat in online mp games are no dick losers and I hope their PSU fries their pc.
No it's not. You just plug your controller into a box and you have all the cheats. No different than a game genie back in the day, only now it's bullshit for MP games and only dickless virgins do it.
Spyxos
Member
You have to buy this device first and as I said, the whole console can be banned. On the Pc you can cheat for free. The risk of cheating on the console is much higher. And I've been playing online on the consoles since Xbox classic.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Laughs in R6Siege. Almost no cheaters (that I encounter).
PCMR was always a joke, created by some with dirt peasant complex. PC is great since always and MP games with cheaters is just a tiny portion of PC gaming.
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So? I've been playing console online games since PSO on the DC. These devices didn't exist until the previous generation where USB became standard on the consoles.
Spyxos
Member
Ah right, I had the Dreamcast too. We just see it completely differently.
Also the attachment isn't blocked on PS5 anymore. They use an adaptor to bypass the PS5 block.