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China: Another massive explosion in industrial city in Lijin

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Not again :(

There's supposedly video but I haven't seen it yet.
A massive explosion has ripped through a region in China. Bright flames and black smoke were seen from what is thought to be a chemical factory this evening. The explosion was seen and heard in the industrial zone of Lijin, Dongying City of Shandong, just before 11.30pm local time.

It is not yet known if there are any injuries or fatalities.

The explosion was reported by the People's Daily newspaper - the Communist Party-owned publication.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...y-shandong-rocked-6357544?ICID=FB_mirror_main
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...chem-ind-zone-in-shandong-china-peoples-daily

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Savitar

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Wonder how many of these can China endure before actually truly cracking down on corruption and safety issues.
 

Palmer_v1

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Tragic that it happened again, but hopefully this will force some actual changes on the safety and overall work conditions of these places.
 

orochi91

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Yea, these string of incidents are going to illicit some serious reforms in safety standards, regulations and corruption in China.

Maybe.
 

The Lamp

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Wonder how many of these can China endure before actually truly cracking down on corruption and safety issues.

Yup. I studied chemical process safety in China a couple months back (in Tianjin) and it was embarrassing how little they value safety. I would never work or live somewhere industrial in China.
 

Mecha

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The crackdown on corruption is nice and all, but China needs to set some clear regulations and then actively use them to clean this situation up.
 

Kard8p3

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Wow, what are the odds of that so soon after the other?

From what I hear China doesn't have very good safety regulations, and it should actually be kind of surprising nothing has happened until the recent string of accidents.
 

lednerg

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Libertarians who want to ban the EPA, take notice.

Anyway, this is really sad to see. I hope it happened without a lot of people nearby.
 

Sulik2

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One is an accident. Two is suspicious, but still possible. If we get a third something is happening in China.

I hope not too may people were hurt. These explosions are terrifying.
 
is it outdated machinery/containers that hold these chemicals?


maybe these factories were built around the same time due to large scale investment but a bunch of these facility lack safety checks and routine repairs
 
One is an accident. Two is suspicious, but still possible. If we get a third something is happening in China.

The human brain tries to see patterns where none exist. The only connection is that China's safety regulations are both lax and not enforced due to corruption. It's surprising accidents like this haven't happened more often.

I'd be surprised if any reform and crackdown on corruption occurs.

Libertarians who want to ban the EPA, take notice.

Take notice that it doesn't work? Because that's the message they take from these things. They don't view these things as happening because of too little regulation and enforcement; they view these things as emblematic of government corruption, something that naturally comes from government existing. Not that I believe any of that.
 

Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
From what I hear China doesn't have very good safety regulations, and it should actually be kind of surprising nothing has happened until the recent string of accidents.

They have regulations, they are just hilariously bad at enforcing them
 

faridmon

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I wish Health and safety precaution was inforced in those Chinese factories but ALAS.
Sadly I am expecting more of these tragedies.
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Take notice that it doesn't work? Because that's the message they take from these things. They don't view these things as happening because of too little regulation and enforcement; they view these things as emblematic of government corruption, something that naturally comes from government existing. Not that I believe any of that.

Why would you need to bribe any officials if there were no regulations? To keep them from passing some regulations? What's the angle?
 
They have regulations, they are just hilariously bad at enforcing them

This has become my understanding of the situation as well. The regulations exist but local officials are so easily corrupted that the required inspections get skipped or infractions go completely ignored until people start dying.

So then the cops arrest the mayor and the factory owners and have them executed. And the wait begins for the next Chinese industrial tragedy.
 

dalin80

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Sadly some officials will always see workers as a disposable resource to help fuel the drive for the almighty GDP growth.
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
Sadly some officials will always see workers as a disposable resource to help fuel the drive for the almighty GDP growth.

Well when you have so many people and have little employee protection I imagine its very easy if you are an asshole.
 
Why would you need to bribe any officials if there were no regulations? To keep them from passing some regulations? What's the angle?

My opinion is that American conservatives believe corruption is the natural state of government and bribery takes place for various reasons. Any situation, whether the wastewater leak in Colorado or these explosions, reinforce the need for less government.
 

Skyzard

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Well, shit.

I'd be looking into getting hazard suits for my family or masks at least if I couldn't move.

That's ridiculous.


Are stocks of chemicals just exposed in the sun or to flamethrowers or something. Wut the hell.
 

The Lamp

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Examples? Like, are things not clearly labeled?

The national government, only as of a few years ago, began implementing regulations on chemical process safety that the rest of the world had already started using decades ago. That's nice, except still, all along, the government leaves enforcement of these regulations up to local officials and leaders. China has extremely high corruption, so these local officials are bribed and look the other way and neglect proper enforcement of these regulations. So companies get away with all sorts of unsafe working conditions at petrochemical sites.

In general, China doesn't encourage a culture about safety or sustainability in industry, particularly with chemicals. They don't value human life. As an anecdotal example, we would have Chinese PhD student that came to my university to study chemical engineering that would stick their heads into the fume hoods and expose their faces to toxic chemicals just because they couldn't be arsed to use the proper protective equipment to run their experiments. The rest of us in the lab would be like "what the fuck, wear your gloves, put on your goggles, and keep your face out of there!" but they would conveniently forget or ignore.

Even when I asked my friends studying chemical engineering in Tianjin if they were okay the other week, they responded strangely nonchalantly. "No, everything is okay, the explosion happened on another street but we are fine." Like...just weird responses for such a tragedy from what are my colleagues.
 
I wonder when China will start to take safety regulations seriously.

Never. It's basically impossible at this point. The entire country has an unsafe infrastructure the only thing you can do is pray that things like this don't happen more often.
 
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