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China awards Donald Trump valuable trademark days after he agrees to honour One China

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4Tran

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Well, they can threaten to make that claim in order to get benefits, that's the problem.

Or they can make that claim should they simply find it useful to scandalise the US.
Nah, under the vast majority of scenarios, China will lose more than they gain from that kind of play. It would only happen if they want to hurt Trump, and that in turn will only happen if Trump has made himself out to be an enemy.
 

99Luffy

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Trump doesnt honor one china.
'This dumbass is gonna start a war'

Trump honors one china.
'This dumbass is taking bribes.'
 

faisal233

Member
Trump doesnt honor one china.
'This dumbass is gonna start a war'

Trump honors one china.
'This dumbass is taking bribes.'
Fixed it for you.


Trump threatens 30 years of diplomacy and threatens our national security to get personal financial leverage.
 

JohnsonUT

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So do all these countries have any incentive to honor this things, trademarks, permits, etc, after he is out of office? We can at least hope for retribution, right?
 

4Tran

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So do all these countries have any incentive to honor this things, trademarks, permits, etc, after he is out of office? We can at least hope for retribution, right?
This kind of bone to Trump is barely worth anything to a country like China, so they're going to honor the trademark unless they're feeling extraordinarily vindictive. Rest assured though that Trump will get his comeuppance - he already hates his life as President.
 

drspeedy

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Ever play contra with your sibling watching, and then, around halfway through, your dad made you get up to take out the trash?

Then you came back in but your stupid little brother had lost all your lives and had to start ALL the way over on stage 1 with only 3 lives?

But imagine... What if while you were gone China, your good buddy who you said could borrow the game as soon as you could beat it, had been behind the couch waiting, and as soon as your kid brother died they put in the Konami Code and let him use player 2's controller (unplugged) the whole time you were gone, and they managed to get you even futher than when you left off... Then they sneak out *right* as you come back to the game, when you snatch the controller back, using your free hand to issue a resounding smack to the back of your brother's head- which no one could see you do because mom was busy outside having a smoke and yelling at the neighbor kid to quit jumping over the fence and coming into your yard to look for jobs his ball.

Win-win, right? You and China get everything you wanted, and your stupid brother never knew he was getting duped coz he felt smart, despite never even playing for himself.


It's exactly like that. We're kid sibling.
 

Dr.Acula

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Nah, under the vast majority of scenarios, China will lose more than they gain from that kind of play. It would only happen if they want to hurt Trump, and that in turn will only happen if Trump has made himself out to be an enemy.

I don't doubt a conventional politician, like Hillary, would have been able to navigate these kinds of political/financial issues, like how Hillary has done enough to separate herself from the Clinton foundation, and that those donations were not so important to her that she would make them a focus. I also assume a conventional politician would put more importance into international relations than their private business interests, and that they would also seek to avoid direct conflict with China.

Having said that... Trump making "deals" in order to get a trade-mark from China, or simply the fact he failed to rid himself of conflicts, or a willingness on Trump's part to become an enemy of China -that's all on the table.

Trump has made no effort to do anything legally. He tweets "buy L.L. Bean," is willing to write unconstitutional executive orders, wants to rip up agreements, threatens judges by name, it goes on.

I do not like that Trump has left himself exposed like this.
 

Apdiddy

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There really isn't. Impeachment requires the President committing a serious crime. If there was proof that Trump traded away concessions on China for this trademark then yes that would be grounds for impeachment. You can't just hold up two things, say it looks shady and then file criminal charges. This isn't some bad law & order spinoff.

Didn't stop the GOP in the '90s from going after Bill Clinton for lying under oath and getting a BJ in the White House.

Problem is the modern GOP really don't care.
 
There really isn't. Impeachment requires the President committing a serious crime. If there was proof that Trump traded away concessions on China for this trademark then yes that would be grounds for impeachment. You can't just hold up two things, say it looks shady and then file criminal charges. This isn't some bad law & order spinoff.

There is no legal barrier for what is or is not impeachable. Impeachment is not a criminal charge, it's a political process. It's 100% at Congress' discretion what warrants impeachment. There is no trial or burden of proof, there's only a vote.
 

jimmypython

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article I, section 9 of the US constitution

"...no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."



does this apply now?
 

ahoyhoy

Unconfirmed Member
I thought you guys wanted Trump to honor the One China policy?

I think the idea is that Trump was basically using diplomacy to leverage personal gain.

Instead of pretending to be against One China to get a better deal for America, which may be a good or bad thing depending on who you ask, this story suggests he did it just to benefit himself, which I think we can all agree was both a reckless AND selfish move.
 

notaskwid

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raw
 

TAJ

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
"The reasons for Mr Trump’s victory in the case are unclear"

Are they? They seem pretty clear to me.
 

Dead Man

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Trump doesnt honor one china.
'This dumbass is gonna start a war'

Trump honors one china.
'This dumbass is taking bribes.'

Almost as if the method of doing so and the reason for doing so has some bearing on how people perceive the actions. Shocking, huh?
 
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