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China flies nuclear bomber over South China Sea to 'send message' to Donald Trump
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Ahh yes, the ever used completely unlikely hypothetical situation used as a "comparison" to reality.
Of course.
SiteSeer
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i think the quote goes: when trades doesn't cross borders, armies do. or in case of a modern world war thermonuclear warheads.
You are kinda right.
This being a unlikely hypothetical situation is the saddest part. This call should've been made decades ago.
djplaeskool
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Doubtful.
In fact, I think then he gets access to @POTUS then, just not directly.
I can only imagine how many unfollows will occur in January.
Trump are you going to take that? Just let them fly a bomber and wink in your direction? Fuck no, get off your ass and show them they can't just threaten you like that! Arm all the nukes, maybe fire one into that South China Sea just to let them know who's boss. No one threatens the US of A and gets away with it. If anyone tries to wine about you not even being President yet, tell them to fuck off. Those people probably thought you wouldn't win Pennsylvania and Michigan, so they don't get to say anything to you.
CassidyIzABeast
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They aint about that life.
It's funny.
Hillary, from her years of experience, knows every little detail that would annoy every single country in the world, and their potential reactions.
Then there's Trump, who pisses-off the most populous and most sensitive country in the world right off the bat.
You mean like how he's putting his businesses in a blind trust?
Diplomacy is not only about acting aggressively to other nations you feel may be bullies(though that is one way to possible achieve a level of diplomacy).
Diplomacy is about acting in a way to balance relations globally, with both Ally and Enemy nations.
But if you feel provoking an ally superpower is the way to go then more power to you I guess.
dave is ok
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Just google 'China Show of Force' or something. They do this or something similar a few times a year, usually into the South China Sea.
I don't think so. Pretty sure people would call him out on it too as it would be for no gain whatsoever. What a weird whataboutism/strawman.
benjipwns
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I prefer asking Trump supporters, "If Obama had done this, wouldn't you call him naive and stupid and terrible at foreign relations?"
I usually get a stuttered, "No, not necessarily..." but they know they're hypocrites in their hearts.
andthebeatgoeson
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The US is no angel, more so with Trump administration in regards to climate change.
You spoke as if US is justified in every of its actions just because they don't see eye to eye with other countries. The US itself is extremely hostile to minority who makes up 30%+ of the population. Should other countries actively provoke and interfere in its internal affairs then?
Salty Rice
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Thats some really sad move china.
All jokes besides they did this stuff in the past so i wouldnt overreact just because of this alone.
All jokes besides they did this stuff in the past so i wouldnt overreact just because of this alone.
You see any other president would de-escalate the situation.
But you guys elected Trump.
To put it on a more simplistic, '80s teen movie level:
Trump is a self-absorbed hot shot who just transfered to a new high school. On his first day there, he hits on the ex-girlfriend of the school's rich bully, who hasn't quite gotten over her yet, and it doesn't go over well. Trump doubles down on his flirting. That rich bully is now slowly driving past his house at night.
Edit: Nah, I'm not gonna compare it to an '80s teen movie. In Hollywood everything usually works out in the end. I'm gonna say this is more "Degrassi".
andthebeatgoeson
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I would overreact to Trump. He never shows that he could be pragmatic.
Exactly but in this case, the probable collision between the bully & the hot shot may end up setting the whole school on fire with all the students & faculty still inside.
Or they might just posture and bruise each other's ego, and leave with small cuts and a mildly bloody lip, no harm no foul.
I just like to fear the worst and hope for the best.
chillybright
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If anything we should all overreact to everything Trump does, otherwise he and his cabinet are gonna keep pushing the envelope until it drop off the table.
Vivalaraza
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I actually think this kind of thing could have some benefit with Trump as President. (by accident rather than design, granted)
I know how delicate the relations are and diplomacy works a certain way...but it doesn't mean it's the right way.
The President of the US should be able to speak to someone on the phone without people getting their knickers in a twist.
I know how delicate the relations are and diplomacy works a certain way...but it doesn't mean it's the right way.
The President of the US should be able to speak to someone on the phone without people getting their knickers in a twist.
blankempathy
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Its amazing how this story likely because of trump has exploded yet the other instances where china has flown their nuclear bomber into the south china sea and even into the pacific are harder to find. I had to modify my search to not include recent news because I kept getting flooded with the same story. But yes China has sent out their nuclear bomber on similar flights in that area prior to trump.
Exactly but in this case, the probable collision between the bully & the hot shot may end up setting the whole school on fire with all the students & faculty still inside.
Or they might just posture and bruise each other's ego, and leave with small cuts and a mildly bloody lip, no harm no foul.
I just like to fear the worst and hope for the best.
I never watched much Degrassi, in its original '80s form, but shit got real on that show.
Also, now I'm imagining the ending of Heathers. Or Carrie.
China's response to trump saying not bound by one china policy:
China's response was measured but clear: co-operation with the US "would be out of the question" if Trump doesn't adhere to the 'one China' policy -- a cornerstone of bilateral relations since the establishment of diplomatic ties in the 1970s.
"I want to stress that the Taiwan question has a bearing on China's sovereignty and territorial integrity," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/china-trump-one-china-reaction/index.html
China does not even have diplomatic relations with countries that recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation. Trump absolutely is not going to get anywhere attempting to use this a bargaining chip.
China's response was measured but clear: co-operation with the US "would be out of the question" if Trump doesn't adhere to the 'one China' policy -- a cornerstone of bilateral relations since the establishment of diplomatic ties in the 1970s.
"I want to stress that the Taiwan question has a bearing on China's sovereignty and territorial integrity," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/china-trump-one-china-reaction/index.html
China does not even have diplomatic relations with countries that recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation. Trump absolutely is not going to get anywhere attempting to use this a bargaining chip.
The tears in my face suggest I laughed way harder than I should have at this.
yanipheonu
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Yeah, the "oh he doesn't really mean that" starts getting less cute when you've got language and culture barriers making the "joke" less clear.
Ideally, that should be the case for all nations but since everyone acts with their own best interests in mind, that ends up not happening.
Bringing China along in talks involving Taiwan is the practical thing to do, even if its not the ideal or pleasant thing to do.
All this.
Exactly what some of us were trying to say in that other thread.
Maybe if Trump has any type of political background we wouldnt be worried over the stuff he does. The stupid stuff he does.
This flight according to the OP extended in further than previous ones...it could all be a message. And I would hope that Trump and Co. err on the side of caution instead of oh its nothing.
AngmarsKing701
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blankempathy
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Oh I'm sure it is a message but its also a message that predates Trump seeing as this has been an ongoing issue. So its more of a reminder than anything. With that said I sincerely hope they take it seriously.
tedrotheredro
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Let the isolationism flow through you. Good. The hate is swelling, use it. Give in to the trade war.
I think a rule should be implemented that parody Trump tweets are not allowed. It is literally impossible to determine which are real and which are satire without going to his twitter feed and verifying.
radios shipping overview
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Nobody seems interested in taking away any of Trump's privileges or actually preventing him from doing what he wants, at this point. They'll make a lot of noise, though.
So many people without the slightest clue as to how international diplomacy works and how it keeps us all from being dead.
Let's say all of Obama's work towards normalizing relations with Cuba goes sour under Trump. Let's also say China, in that hypothetical situation, decides to sell a metric shit ton of weapons to Cuba, going right through the US's porous blockade. How would the US react?
Let's say all of Obama's work towards normalizing relations with Cuba goes sour under Trump. Let's also say China, in that hypothetical situation, decides to sell a metric shit ton of weapons to Cuba, going right through the US's porous blockade. How would the US react?
China has been showing increasing force in the SE china sea consistently. This is nothing new. It was likely scheduled anyways. This instance only stands out because China is attempting to capitalize on the conditions around US internal political dialog, fuel our frustrations and encourage future political missteps. These people are not our friends. They're playing us right now.
Salty Rice
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Europeans elected Trump?
Virtua Ben
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On a side-note, I'm surprised that old-ass bomber could make it that far.
Succinct Verbosity
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China have probably spotted a weakness in American foreign policy, and they are going to take as much power in the next four -maybe eight- years until we end up with a competant president that understands how the world works. China clearly don't want a war, but they do want to push the United States as far as possible.
I don't know anymore what is fake or real.
Succinct Verbosity
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Well sure, but the fact is that China are only doing this because the US has presumably elected a leader that is perceived as a weak diplomat, I don't really see how Trump's actions are going to roll back China's actions.
To do what, matey?
LegendofDragoonLives
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I was thinking the same thing
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