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[Tea Master]

I was just watching a Japanese TV special on the Anti-Japanese demonstrations in China, and while obviously biased (not discussing the causes to be exact) the way the Chinese are comporting themselves is absolutely ape-like.

Today in Shanghai, they ran around smashing anything Japanese. If you were a Chinese person who happened to own a Japanese eating establishment, they were going to smash your store. If you were a Chinese girl driving a Japanese car, they were going to smash your car. If you were a little Chinese girl just trying to get home, you got blindsided by flying debris. Mob mentality is going strong, and the worst part of it is the Chinese polic are doing absolutely nothing to disperse the crowds.

They are so afraid of being stuck with another Teinemen Square that they wont stop Japanese nationals from being beaten, Chinese stores being smashed, etc. If you watch the footage, the majority of the protestors are civil, with a small group of agitators causing the damage.

Id love to see some Chinese in Japan get a foot put up their ass just to give the Chinese an idea of how oafish they are acting, but thankfully modern Japan is above acting in such a manner. First the soccer match last year, then the sub, now this. The Chinese need to chill out.

That's pretty hypocritical of you. The Chinese are acting like asses and you want the Japanese to do the same. And what makes you think the chinese living in Japan are not receiving any violence from the Japanese? If the Japanese are so modern then why don't they fully acknowledge their war crimes instead of trying to cover them up? They never truly apologized for they did either.

 

[ScientificNinja]

The critiscm is based on the protests being the culmination of government sponsored propaganda, spurred by nationalism. Simplification in this matter should not be applied.

I have no doubt that it is, and that the Chinese riots towards the Japanese is an unbalanced response, but I don't think the negativity that the Chinese feel towards the Japanese is completely unfounded. If anything, China appears to be singled out in this thread for political hypocrisy when in fact it's quite plainly used in every government in the world! If there's a reason for my simplification of the broader issues, it's to illustrate that point

You contridicted yourself in your second paragraph.

I'm not sure what mean - all I'm saying is that I'm happy to let go of the past to carry on with the future, but only as long can carry the truth of the past with me.

I remember reading this and was one of the most heart wrenching post I have ever read, and it's a powerful now as the day I read it. I cannot image what your grandmother, and ancestors went through, you have my deepest sympathy. I think you have an invested interest in this matter. And for the record I believe the Japanese should disclose the full details of not only this but every incident in their history.

Vested interest? *chuckle* Maybe. I'm two generations removed from the second world war, I live in a completely different country and my broader family has moved on. The Chinese culture is, in some ways, built around the notion of revenge, but I don't see how I'm honoring the memory of my grandmother by promoting continued bloodshed. Likewise you don't see many Chinese people cutting the throats of every Brit they see over the Opium War - which my great grandmother was affected by. Like anyone I'd like to see a little peace - but I also want to see some truth about it. The Japanese should just grow up and take it like a man.

 

[karasu]

They've given millions in aid to china since 72. Chinese textbooks don't even acknowledge the thousands killed in Tinanmen Square, or the millions that were starved to death during the Great leap foward. If textbooks that will be used in 18 schools are really the source of all of this current aggravation, this is one insanely obese case of hypocricy/cognitive dissonance.

 

[mrklaw]

They've given millions in aid to china since 72. Chinese textbooks don't even acknowledge the thousands killed in Tinanmen Square, or the millions that were starved to death during the Great leap foward. If textbooks that will be used in 18 schools are really the source of all of this current aggravation, this is one insanely obese case of hypocricy/cognitive dissonance.

Absolutely. But then since when did that bother the Chinese Governement? I apologise in advance if I appear to generalise, but its a Communist country, run by an unelected government. I am genuinely scared to imagine what might happen in 10-20 years when its global power is much higher than it is now. I can only hope for the citizens to demand freedom, but with the Government feeding them a large carrot right now, who knows if that will ever happen?

The Chinese government is one of the worst when it comes to indoctrinating their citizens with their own view of the world and its history. Sure, Japan is not without blame in this - they've painted themselves into a corner by not admitting some of their darker history, and this limited example doesn't help their cause. But I can't help thinking that the demonstrations are government organised or at least backed. Arguing that its only a minority causing trouble is irrelevant if the protest was initiated by the goverment in the first place.

China is a Bull in a China shop right now (pun not intended). They are using their potential economic might to attract business. They set the rules, which would be almost illegal in other countries, taking patents where wanted, owning IPRs if necessary. And western companies are bending over backwards to do anything on the promise of access to 3 billion people.

Its a fucking mess, and the two countries will be sizing each other up from now on.

 

[number386]

I have no doubt that it is, and that the Chinese riots towards the Japanese is an unbalanced response, but I don't think the negativity that the Chinese feel towards the Japanese is completely unfounded. If anything, China appears to be singled out in this thread for political hypocrisy when in fact it's quite plainly used in every government in the world! If there's a reason for my simplification of the broader issues, it's to illustrate that point




I'm not sure what mean - all I'm saying is that I'm happy to let go of the past to carry on with the future, but only as long can carry the truth of the past with me.




Vested interest? *chuckle* Maybe. I'm two generations removed from the second world war, I live in a completely different country and my broader family has moved on. The Chinese culture is, in some ways, built around the notion of revenge, but I don't see how I'm honoring the memory of my grandmother by promoting continued bloodshed. Likewise you don't see many Chinese people cutting the throats of every Brit they see over the Opium War - which my great grandmother was affected by. Like anyone I'd like to see a little peace - but I also want to see some truth about it. The Japanese should just grow up and take it like a man.

Fair enough.

 

[Blackace]

They've given millions in aid to china since 72. Chinese textbooks don't even acknowledge the thousands killed in Tinanmen Square, or the millions that were starved to death during the Great leap foward. If textbooks that will be used in 18 schools are really the source of all of this current aggravation, this is one insanely obese case of hypocricy/cognitive dissonance.

Before I start I want to proclaim my love for Japan, Japanese culture, history, and Japanese people. But let's call a spade a spade. If you are talking about the millions of dollars they have given to them in forms of Japanese owned businesses then you are right on... they were not just giving away money to the Chinese they have been lining their pockets the whole time... nothing wrong with that business is business..but let's not paint a picture of Japan unselfishly giving buckets of money to China...

 

[Draff]

Well, I seem to recall major news censorship about the SARS incidents in Japan. I have friends in Tokyo who knows that there are SARS-infected Japanese in Tokyo, but the government would not broadcast the news to the public about that. Instead, the government kept on reassuring there is no SARS in Japan. Of course, that's only according to my friends, so I do not have a very legitimate news website or something to prove that.

Well then, either your friend worked at the hospital or he/she found out through the media. Now that isn't media censorship, is it?

Hey, the Canadian government can deny the sponsorship scandal as well.

 

[NetMapel]

Well then, either your friend worked at the hospital or he/she found out through the media. Now that isn't media censorship, is it?

Hey, the Canadian government can deny the sponsorship scandal as well.

Hey, I only heard it from my friend in Tokyo, so I already said in my previous post that it might not be credible sources. All I am trying to prove with that point is that Japan does censor news (either to their own people, or globally). tetsuoxb talks about "modern Japan" as if it is some sort of Godly country that will never do something that is inferior like China. Also, no, my friend is still at school there, so she's not at the hospital.

 

[Tommie Hu$tle]

Only one way to solve this. We take the best fighter from China and the best fighter from Japan and put them in the ring. Best out of 3 matches.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Call me when Japan unleashes their secret army of mechs and genitically enhanced ninjas.

 

[jadehorizon1]

If a war ever broke out there, the conciquences would be unbelievable. The effect on economies all over the world ... and of course North Korea would never let a war go on so close to home without shooting off something just for the hell of it ...


All this is, is China just showing its neighbors who is the new boss in town. Taiwan, Japan, South and North Korea are subject to China dominance in the East. Just as Mexico, Canada, and the rest of central America are subject to the United States's dominance in the region ...


If China is smart they'll let all this slide and not encourage more aggressivness. I dont think they are strong enough to command the East to their desires just yet. Give it 10-15 years and they will be the new United States in the east.


If war did break out and Japan, Taiwan vs. China, North Korea ... I guess Xbox wins the next gen by default

 

[Blackace]

If a war ever broke out there, the conciquences would be unbelievable. The effect on economies all over the world ... and of course North Korea would never let a war go on so close to home without shooting off something just for the hell of it ...


All this is, is China just showing its neighbors who is the new boss in town. Taiwan, Japan, South and North Korea are subject to China dominance in the East. Just as Mexico, Canada, and the rest of central America are subject to the United States's dominance in the region ...


If China is smart they'll let all this slide and not encourage more aggressivness. I dont think they are strong enough to command the East to their desires just yet. Give it 10-15 years and they will be the new United States in the east.


If war did break out and Japan, Taiwan vs. China, North Korea ... I guess Xbox wins the next gen by default

I don't quite agree that they are just showing their neighbors who the new boss is by having riots in their own country... And China is far from the top dog in the East as of right now..maybe in those 10 or 15 years that you said they might grow.. but they first need to stop selling their own people for salve labor to the likes of the US and Japan...but that is a different topic for a different day...

 

[909er]

If a war ever broke out there, the conciquences would be unbelievable. The effect on economies all over the world ... and of course North Korea would never let a war go on so close to home without shooting off something just for the hell of it ...


All this is, is China just showing its neighbors who is the new boss in town. Taiwan, Japan, South and North Korea are subject to China dominance in the East. Just as Mexico, Canada, and the rest of central America are subject to the United States's dominance in the region ...


If China is smart they'll let all this slide and not encourage more aggressivness. I dont think they are strong enough to command the East to their desires just yet. Give it 10-15 years and they will be the new United States in the east.


If war did break out and Japan, Taiwan vs. China, North Korea ... I guess Xbox wins the next gen by default

I dont' know if they'll be too much stronger in 15 years in relations to its neighbors. Politically speaking, South Korea, Japan and the US would be allied more than with China. And South Korea and Japan(yes, Japan) have powerful, modern militaries thanks to a ton of US help and their own economic power. And if China gets stronger, so will South Korea and Japan, and obviously the US. North Korea is a rouge bitch that even China doesn't really want to associate with.

Actually, economic relations between China and Japan are really, really good. The Chinese govt does not want to see that go to shit. Hell, all that money is probably half the reason the current party is still in power(that and they must have an Asian Karl Rove who knows how to make the people believe anything, no matter how stupid the govt is).

Anyway, here is a list of statements Japanese officials have made in regards to WW2. I haven't read them all, so make it of it what you will yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan