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[Madness]

https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/857046980614176768

http://www.newsweek.com/china-navy-aircraft-carrier-military-589483

Nearly two years in the making and amid much speculation of its full capabilities, China appears to be getting set to launch its second aircraft carrier, the first to be built in that country.

The ship, which could be named Shandong but has been referred to as CV-17, was first floated off its dry dock Sunday during a ceremony that also served as a celebration of the 68th anniversary of the People’s Liberation Army. Recent photos suggest the new carrier is quite similar to China’s first, the Liaoning, which was purchased from Russia and then refurbished and recommissioned, it weighs 70,000 tons and is 315 meters long and 75 meters wide.

People were expecting it to be launched any day now and People's Daily just confirmed it minutes ago. You may be thinking who cares or getting scared. This is their first domestically built aircraft carrier. The remarkable thing is that they first started it just 2 years ago. It is very similar or identical to the Soviet-era one they purchased from Ukraine with a ski-jump style takeoff. It is conventionally powered and only 70000 tons. This is not going to challenge the US, Japan, SK or even India which is close to finishing its own. But this will be a bane for smaller nations like Vietnam and Philippines. If this is stationed near the ports they are developing near the South China Sea, they have a rather credible deterrent. It won't lead any strike groups and is not entirely blue water capable like the US nuclear aircraft carriers, but this will be designed for easy takeoff of medium bombing jets or upto 28 to 36 J-15 fighters which are carbon copies of the Russian Su-33 which is why they made this aircraft carrier nearly identical to the Soviet designed one theyr purchased. China has always lacked power projection beyond its mainland. Coupled with the stolen land in the South China sea, ports being built in Sri Lanka or Pakistan, and the fact they can knock out of a decent aircraft carrier in under 2 years, they should be able to maintain adequate defense of their maritime areas and trade routes. India definitely needs to be worried. They decommissioned Britain's old one and only have a Soviet-era Russian aircraft carrier themselves. Japan has 4 better 'helicopter' carriers, but China with 2 more of these and maybe even one with a nuclear reactor will pretty much have crazy force projection throughout east-Asia. Thoughts?

Picture of the Shandong aircraft carrier at Dalian ready for launch.

Picture of the J-15 which China copied exactly from the Russian Su-33. They expect this aircraft carrier may utilize 28 or more of these jets.

 

[ponpo]

Is that a ramp I see?

Pathetic!

 

[Blablurn]

Well done, China. Well done.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Impressive.

 

[Herr Schwarz]

2 years is a fantastic turnover for a carrier. Would obviously depend on the instruments inside this ship.

 

[ChasingComets]

Carrier has arrived.

 

[Stinkles]

Is that a ramp I see?

Pathetic!

They should call it a BabyCarrier.

Or the GreatWhale.

Or General Tso's Junk

or any number of quasi racist synonyms.

 

[SliceSabre]

Damn only 2 years. They got that done quick.

 

[Frustrated_me]

Carrier has arrived.

Instructions.

 

[Sectorseven]

Made in China is going to mean something again.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Clone of the Russian Kutznetsov? Eh, it was advanced in 90s. Plus the ski jump ramp without any catapult system and the Su-33 being a heavy bird makes it that it can't leave fully armed.

Russia even uses theirs as more of a large missile frigate than functionally as an aircraft carrier.

 

[RoKKeR]

That's seems like an incredibly fast turnaround for a ship that huge.

It also now has me looking up the USS Gerald Ford, which is absolutely insane.

 

[bobbytkc]

Is that a ramp I see?

Pathetic!

I don't don't know much about carriers, but what is wrong with having a ramp? Is it less effective in operations?

 

[ponpo]

Is this one long enough to offset the limited ordnances of planes using the ski jump?

Quote unquote carrier.

I don't don't know much about carriers, but what is wrong with having a ramp? Is it less effective in operations?

Aside from being cheaper and having less engineering, I don't know what advantages ski jump carriers have, but because planes have to get up to speed on their own in a short distance, they can't be that heavy, so they can't carry as many bombs as catapulted ones.

 

[TheRealTalker]

is America the only country with a non ramp based carrier?

and I don't mean those small helicopter carrier that can maybe house a harrier (and future F-35B)

 

[Culex]

Probably have no. 3 being built as we speak.

 

[TAJ]

It is very similar or identical to the Soviet-era one they purchased from Ukraine with a ski-jump style takeoff.

Way to fight those stereotypes, China.

 

[Bizazedo]

70,000 ton? Eh.

But, AN aircraft carrier is more of a threat than NO aircraft carrier.

 

[F!ReW!Re]

China will grow larger.

 

[Madness]

Clone of the Russian Kutznetsov? Eh, it was advanced in 90s. Plus the ski jump ramp without any catapult system and the Su-33 being a heavy bird makes it that it can't leave fully armed.

Russia even uses theirs as more of a large missile frigate than functionally as an aircraft carrier.

Nah it is a near carbon copy of the Soviet Varyag they renamed to the Liaoning. It does have more room for more J-15 fighters. This will probably just help with more training, takeoffs and limited power projection around the South China Sea. But a 2 year turnover and near identical is crazy.

According to the Straits Times, the new carrier features the latest equipment, including a bigger hangar to accommodate more J-15 fighters as well as more space on deck for helicopters and other aircraft.

The Liaoning aka Soviet Varyag.

 

[Extra Sauce]

Shitpost redacted

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

I don't don't know much about carriers, but what is wrong with having a ramp? Is it less effective in operations?

Catapult is far better, certain aircraft can't be fully loaded on a ramp based carrier.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

I don't don't know much about carriers, but what is wrong with having a ramp? Is it less effective in operations?

Advantage is the launch is less stressful on pilots. Problem is with a heavier plane like the SU-33, the launch speed is only about 120-140 km ph (~85 mph). For comparison a catapult system launches at 170 mph. So it's a very slow launch and they can't fully load the pane because it barely takes off.

 

[Madness]

Probably have no. 3 being built as we speak.

#3 and #4 are already underway, both conventional reactors so again non-blue water capable but with potential catapult systems for heavier bombers and upto 85000 tons displacement. Ideally, China had stated and knows they need around 6 or more aircraft carriers or strike groups to projecy power like the US.

 

[Stinkles]

Shitpost redacted

Radpost Shitcaked.

 

[cirrhosis]

they can't be that heavy, so they can't carry as many bombs as catapulted ones.

each plane could launch with half of the necessary weapons for a sorting. then one plane could fly alongside another plane and a guy could get out and start moving the other plane's bombs over, then when it's done one goes back to the carrier.

Like refueling but with weapons

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

Where is that pic of all the Carriers USA has compared to the rest of the world?

 

[hirokazu]

That's a lot of red flags.

 

[Gallbaro]

Eh ramp launch. Minimally effective payloads then.

Gator Navy still more impressive.

 

[Geno Breaker]

That ramp just looks silly.

 

[Blablurn]

It won't lead any strike groups and is not entirely blue water capable like the US nuclear aircraft carriers,

What does "blue water" in this regard mean?

 

[CountAntonius]

Where is that pic of all the Carriers USA has compared to the rest of the world?

Here.

 

[ponpo]

Where is that pic of all the Carriers USA has compared to the rest of the world?

Not this but while we're talking a out navy superiority

Here.

lol

 

[Hari Seldon]

What does "blue water" in this regard mean?

It needs fuel, so it can't operate too far from port.

 

[Madness]

Where is that pic of all the Carriers USA has compared to the rest of the world?

Again, not meant to challenge US hegemony or Naval tonnage, but project greater force. Imagine this being docked in the new South China Sea ports, or the Pakistan port. Even with limited engagement, it now poses a credible threat with the ability for fighter jets to take off not from the mainland.

This is the JS Hyuga which is Japan's helicopter carriers, only 20k tonnage, but they have been pushing for F-35 VTOL versions. Imagine they could station 5-10 on each carrier. China has long accused Japan of exactly that goal.

What does "blue water" in this regard mean?

Like someone else already stated, conventiobal reactors are limited by fuel and engine use. They cannot be away from ports or operate independently. The US nuclear carriers can be at sea fot hundreds of days with its nuclear reactor powering everything and for 2-3 months at a time without resupply as well. So they are considered blue water in that they can be deep in the Pacific with no need to quickly return to port or be stranded.

 

[ZeezbruhTV]

China launches their 2nd carrier, yet we are at 11. Lmao.

 

[Dynomutt]

North Korea like...

 

[Fox Mulder]

Damn only 2 years. They got that done quick.

That china quality.

 

[zeemumu]

2 years is a fantastic turnover for a carrier. Would obviously depend on the instruments inside this ship.

 

[ponpo]

Again, not meant to challenge US hegemony or Naval tonnage, but project greater force. Imagine this being docked in the new South China Sea ports, or the Pakistan port. Even with limited engagement, it now poses a credible threat with the ability for fighter jets to take off not from the mainland.

This is the JS Hyuga which is Japan's helicopter carriera, only 20k tonnage, but they have been pushing for F-35 VTOL versions. Imagine they could station 5-10 on each carrier. China has long accused Japan of exactly that goal.

You mean helicopter destroyer ;;;))))

 

[Gallbaro]

What does "blue water" in this regard mean?

Get anywhere and stay anywhere in the world.

You are not going to see one of these park their ass off there coast of Florida for 3 months.

China launches their 2nd carrier, yet we are at 11. Lmao.

More like 20.

 

[LincolnSixEcho]

China are the masters when it comes to copying tech. They have an especially long history of copying Russian tech.

 

[Blablurn]

It needs fuel, so it can't operate too far from port.

aaaaaaaaaah! Thanks!

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

Here.

I always have two questions when I see this type of response;


1. Am I being too lazy to google?
2. Perfect chance to nerd out?

Not this but while we're talking a out navy superiority





lol

Thanks

Answered both my questions haha.

 

[cartographer]

You mean helicopter destroyer ;;;))))

Their "this definitely doesn't violate Article 9 of our constitution" fun boat ship thing will always be funny.

 

[Lazy vs Crazy]

is America the only country with a non ramp based carrier?

and I don't mean those small helicopter carrier that can maybe house a harrier (and future F-35B)

France has a nuclear powered legit carrier.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Wonder how long until they have a nuclear carrier. I'd wager 10 years. So seriously we are potentially looking at china rolling with 5-10 diesel powered carriers and 1-2 nuclear carriers by 2030 or so. Nuts.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

This launched from the city that I'm in.

 

[ponpo]

This launched from the city that I'm in.

Go insult them for their ski jump carrier.

 

[DBT85]

China launches their 2nd carrier, yet we are at 11. Lmao.

You spend more than anyone else combined... China are coming for you.