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Chris Matthews spit out a doozer: let's just execute everyone down there!

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My big concern is, the longer you keep them, the angrier they get. Eventually, you are going to send them home. Maybe the smarter thing is to execute everyone down there, because if you‘re going to send them back to the Arab world or the Islamic world angry as hell at us, they‘re going to be doing dirty stuff against us, right?

Maybe, Chris, the smarter thing would be allow these prisoners of war, errrrrrrr, enemy combatants, their due process?????????!?!!!

:lol :lol :lol
 
Kill 'em all and let GOD sort them out. FUCK YEAH.

Billmon has some superb bits regarding Durbin's comments up on his blog.

God I wish every single chickenhawk dipshits out there promoting this war would put on a Army uniform and serve. I am really getting tired of people continuing to support this disaster and being collaborators in the deaths of over a seventeen hundred American troops and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians and not having the guts to actually "support the troops" by serving.
 

AssMan

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Maybe, Chris, the smarter thing would be allow these prisoners of war, errrrrrrr, enemy combatants, their due process?????????!?!!!


Where should we send them? Back home, where they could go back to fighting the U.S. troops?

Note: this is a serious quesion, not being sarcastic, Incog. ;)
 
Kuramu said:
I'm all for police hunting down killers and rapists... does that mean i should quit my job and join the police department?

Sure, when the police department in your area suffers through massive recruting problems over a period of months which leads to problems in the field, then yes, feel free to sign up.

Assman:

Perhaps if we treated them with the rights guranteed under the Geneva Convention we wouldn't be facing that possibilty.
 

Dilbert

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AssMan said:
Where should we send them? Back home, where they could go back to fighting the U.S. troops?
Answer: Anywhere they want to go.

If there is evidence against them, charge them. If not, release them. We have NO right to hold someone without evidence.
 
but the real problem is figuring out which of these guys are actually guilty of anything? and why do we assume that every arab man is gonna pick up an AK and declare jihad? that's kinda bigotted to me but whatever.......
 

Kuramu

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Incognito said:
Sure, when the police department in your area suffers through massive recruting problems over a period of months which leads to problems in the field, then yes, feel free to sign up. .

Sure, but "feel free to sign up" is a liitle different than "put up or shut up" which is what he said. Just because someone backs an idea doesn't obligate them to carrying it out, or all people would be obligated to being police, then there'd be no one left to do anything else
 
Kuramu said:
Sure, but "feel free to sign up" is a liitle different than "put up or shut up" which is what he said. Just because someone backs an idea doesn't obligate them to carrying it out, or all people would be obligated to being police, then there'd be no one left to do anything else

Our forces are suffering in Iraq because there isn't enough support. Funnily enough, though, there's enough war-cheerleaders and hawks over here who support said troops from the comfy confines of their living room.

It is time to put up or shut up.
 
It saddens me that

A) the USA is getting away with this...... and its just not in Cuba its all over the world
B) Nobody seems to give a toss
 

MC Safety

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I don't mean to be critical or anything, but it's not spit out a doozer. Doozers were little green creatures on Fraggle Rock.

The word is doozy. Meaning something unbelievable or bizarre.
 

SlickWilly223

Time ta STEP IT UP
MrPing1000 said:
It saddens me that

A) the USA is getting away with this...... and its just not in Cuba its all over the world
B) Nobody seems to give a toss


Eh, in the big picture it's not the worst thing that can happen to a person. I mean, really, I don't even pay attention to the news anymore because they nit-pick about stupid shit like this when the real news is the people dying everyday in Africa for just about every reason known to man.

That's what saddens me to the point of 'not giving a toss' about this shit anymore.
 
The only logical solution is to throw them in with the general US prison populace if they are convicted of such a crime. Before they can wage another religious war inside the prison, they'll be Big Bubba's cell bitch

and why do we assume that every arab man is gonna pick up an AK and declare jihad? that's kinda bigotted to me but whatever.......

I don't think anyone actually believes this and I have to wonder where the hell you picked this up at.
 

ronito

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If Bush really wants to try these guys as "enemy combatants" then he shouldn't have done it in a place that's less than 90 miles away from the U.S. and announcing it to the world. Not that it makes it OK, it just would've been easier for him to do, if you're going to do something that a lot of people would think reprehensible for what you believe is national security, then do it smartly. Again it's not that I condone such behavior.

Now I agree that we need to either to try them or let them go, if there's someone that could be a threat to national security I'd hope that our interrogators could figure it out in the years they've had. I'd hope and expect that said people would be dealt with as is needed. The problem is what to do with those that aren't big threats. But honestly, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a plan to shut Gitmo down and move the prisoners to some undisclosed country that no one knows about (ahem Uzbekistan) so that they can carry on without the media/public scrutiny. If I was Leader and thought the way he did that's what I'd do.
 

Macam

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Part of Amnesty International's accusations were precisely that: ghost detainees (as in, vanishing without a trace) and secret prisons. None of this makes it right. Part of the problem of the defense of Guatanamo has been based on a few assumptions: namely that all captives are terrorists and that because we're treating them well in some aspects, that we're not torturing them. Both of those arguments are wrong and have been proven so by the facts released thus far.

Mind you, I think those of us criticizing the shenanigans of Guatanamo understand that this isn't pertaining to ALL troops or detainees, but that this is enough of a widespread problem across our bases, including the earlier Abu Gharib scandal, that it's not an isolated incident either. The fact that the administration has not been forthcoming, that the punishments have been weak and few, and that this continues to go on is atrocious. Chris Matthews, Tim Russert, and co. have done a miserable job at putting this into context for the viewing public, and it's a shame.

I agree with Incognito: Put up or shut up. Under the circumstances it is appropriate. If I was living in a crime ridden city and the police force was lacking personnel, I would enlist because not to do so would be a direct threat to myself, my family, and my neighbors. This is, in effect, the situation here. I almost enlisted in 2001, despite having no favorable disposition to the military or administration, and I swore if my brother was a part of those attacks, I would. I'm glad I didn't have to, because my distrust of this administration has stemmed from years prior to those events.

The problem Kuramu is that we have the opposite problem: A large percentage of people that are adamantly backing an idea and are left doing everything "else", but we don't have enough people to actually put that idea into action. We're facing record lows on recruitment. We're not prepared and we don't have international support in carrying out our will (Gee, wonder why?). Again, under the circumstances, it is appropriate.

To quote Bill Moyers (http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/16/1329245:

”But more galling than anything are all those moralistic ideologues in Washington sporting the flag in their lapel while writing books and running web sites and publishing magazines attacking dissenters as un-American. They are people whose ardor for war grows disproportionately to their distance from the fighting. They’re in the same league as those swarms of corporate lobbyists wearing flags and prowling Capitol Hill for tax breaks, even as they call for spending more on war.
 

Kuramu

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Macam said:
The problem Kuramu is that we have the opposite problem: A large percentage of people that are adamantly backing an idea and are left doing everything "else", but we don't have enough people to actually put that idea into action. We're facing record lows on recruitment. We're not prepared and we don't have international support in carrying out our will (Gee, wonder why?). Again, under the circumstances, it is appropriate.

I'm not taking a particular side on the issue at hand, so perhaps my small addition is unecessary. However, hearing "put up or shut up" forces me to chime in because it is so often used as a way to end discussion, almost ad hominem if not actually so. (there is a name for the fallacy, though that's trivia really)

If we were to use extend this philosophy to all areas then we would have to end public discourse and force people to take everything into their own hands.

I think it's terrible that so many people don't have proper health care across the planet. Must i then be obligated to either shut up or take 8 years of medical school and start a free clinic in Africa somewhere? But even then, there are other things people have opinions about too... world hunger, oppression, crime... must we individually put up or shut up about all of these things as well? Should people not protest the war, voicing their views en masse because they should either take on the US army themselves or shut up? I say no to all of these.
 
AssMan said:
Where should we send them? Back home, where they could go back to fighting the U.S. troops?
Yes. If any of these men were imprisoned for something they didn't do, and they go back to their homeland, and decide to fight and kill soldiers from an invading country, the same country that unfairly imprisoned them without trial for years no end, what the hell is wrong with that?

There are reasons why countries all over the world hate America, and proposing that all prisoners who were unfairly imprisoned should be executed because they might go back to Iraq or Iran or a (potential) enemy/terrorist nation and fight America is probably on the list.

I'm just so fucking angry that this "resolution" was raised, even if it's by a hack like Chris Matthews. The proposed mentality is fucking sickening. If you think sending some of these people back to their homeland because they're innocent is dangerous because they might come back a fly a plane into a building, too bad. You're fucking closer and closer to actually deserving it (American getting attacked/hurt, not the innocents of course) every day when shit like this arises.
 
Kuramu said:
I think it's terrible that so many people don't have proper health care across the planet. Must i then be obligated to either shut up or take 8 years of medical school and start a free clinic in Africa somewhere? But even then, there are other things people have opinions about too... world hunger, oppression, crime... must we individually put up or shut up about all of these things as well? Should people not protest the war, voicing their views en masse because they should either take on the US army themselves or shut up? I say no to all of these.
Medical school is actually 4 years.

And there's a difference between helping to drag the rest of a country into a war and supporting a clinic in an impoverished nation. In this case, there's a poster (iceman) who is actually cheering for the deaths of people who haven't even been proven guilty yet. That's not even on the same level as the examples you cited.
 

Mandark

Small balls, big fun!
Kuramu:

I believe in a volunteer police force. I do not rob banks. I believe in a volunteer fire department. I do not commit arson. I believe in a volunteer military. I do not support wars of choice.

It's possible to identify a problem and not do much, or even anything about it. That doesn't make you a big, fat hypocrite. I don't do very much about AIDS in Africa, the rainforest, or any other number of things. However, this is a different situation.

1) A problem is identified (Iraq's WMD's).

2) A solution is proposed that involves several thousands of people risking their lives.

3) Enough people support this to make it policy.

4) The government has a hard time finding people willing to join in.

5) People who still vocally support the policy are unwilling to make the very sacrifice that they required out of their fellow citizens.

When it comes to life and death, I think it's very obviously unfair to create a situation where some people have to put theirs on the line for something you believe in, if you don't do it yourself.
 

Shinobi

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Iceman said:
If they would have been killed in action instead of being captured....

Then we'd have more civilian casualties to add to the death toll...not that the warpigs would care.






Kuramu said:
"put up or shut up" is philisophically flawed.

...not unlike Guantanamo Bay...or this war.
 
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