COD BO7 will have open MM at launch

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We know the big question on everyone's minds coming out of the Beta is "how will matchmaking work in Black Ops 7?"

At launch, Open Matchmaking with minimal skill consideration will be the default for Black Ops 7 Multiplayer. Simply put, imagine the matchmaking experience of Open Moshpit from the Beta, but as the standard in Black Ops 7 on day one.

Our team feels strongly about providing players with a more varied experience, and the Beta proved to be a great opportunity to test this approach. We'll be sharing more details as we get closer to launch!


https://www.callofduty.com/patchnotes/2025/10/call-of-duty-black-ops-7-beta-patch-notes
 
jm89 said:
Those preorder numbers must have spooked them to finally do this.
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Something else that spooked them

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  • no skin transfer from bo6
  • free bo6 singleplayer the week of bf6 release
  • open matchmaking after defending their hardcore sbmm for a decade
  • Lost $300 million from game pass last year
It's afraid
 
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Considering the feedback they got there was no way they wouldn't include that open playlist. Non-disbanding lobbies is a surprise tho.

For me the best part about the reduced sbmm playlist is low ping and quick load times
 
Fucking yes, finally some common sense for the first time in 5 years. Persistent lobbies as well, brilliant.

I might even pre-order to signal my approval of this, and I rarely pre-order games anymore but that's how strongly I feel about this.
 
asdasdasdbb said:
I thought that was the point of SBMM.

Lots of people (ie: the SBMM haters) only want to kill noobz... but it's worse for the noobz.
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The psycho COD players want to be able to get 80 kill streaks in three minutes against noobs, and get Master Exotic Prestige 1000 in 4 minutes.
 
People will be doing a few things on release:
-Saying SBMM is still on
-Saying SBMM off is a mistake

It'll be a fun placebo effect thing lol.

I can't imagine having SBMM off is a good thing for the average CoD player.

The only person this benefits is fucking washed AF shitty streamers like courageJD who can't grift him looking good at the game cuz he's getting dumped on.
 
Reizo Ryuu said:
They started with SBMM all the way back to COD4 in 2007, but couldn't iterate their testing robustly enough, so most of the testing was from game to game.
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ever since Xbox 360, there was this hidden rating system underneath taht was used for matchmaking (it was part of the Xbox 360 online system). But it was not like implementation of SBMM that Activision has been using which is insanely aggressive, makes the game feel stale, covers up any feeling of progress, and gives you whiplash as it puts you in a game full of pro players if you do well for a few games in a row.
 
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Arsic said:
People will be doing a few things on release:
-Saying SBMM is still on
-Saying SBMM off is a mistake

It'll be a fun placebo effect thing lol.

I can't imagine having SBMM off is a good thing for the average CoD player.

The only person this benefits is fucking washed AF shitty streamers like courageJD who can't grift him looking good at the game cuz he's getting dumped on.
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Or it will be like it used to be where the average/shit players:
a) don't care
b) do care and learn how to get better

It's not even the sweats that are the issue anyway. It's what I like to call casino matchmaking. If you win a game, your next one will be miserable. If you get bullied, your next game will be easy.

All the while giving you packet burst at 60-100 ping if you're remotely above average at the game.

They even give people who buy the new skins easier lobbies to make the players getting shit on think they need to buy them to be good at the game.

The whole system can go in straight in the ocean, it's gaslighting bullshit.
 
diffusionx said:
(it was part of the Xbox 360 online system). But it was not like implementation of SBMM that Activision has been using which is insanely aggressive
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No, they wrote an entire whitepaper on SBMM and they stated they started it with COD4, it has nothing to do with some hidden 360 online system or whatever, they implemented their own thing and then kept refining it with each new release.
 
I'm pretty sure they use open MM on every game at launch. As soon as the first season drops, everything turns to shit in my experience. Lobbies are way way sweatier with the ADHD crew jump sliding, 360 no scoping people. I'm sure SBMM will be there in full force come December or January.
 
Lucifers Beard said:
I'm pretty sure they use open MM on every game at launch. As soon as the first season drops, everything turns to shit in my experience. Lobbies are way way sweatier with the ADHD crew jump sliding, 360 no scoping people. I'm sure SBMM will be there in full force come December or January.
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Is that true? That may explain why I only play new CoD for 2-3 weeks then drop them lol…
 
ValiantInstance said:
Or it will be like it used to be where the average/shit players:
a) don't care
b) do care and learn how to get better

It's not even the sweats that are the issue anyway. It's what I like to call casino matchmaking. If you win a game, your next one will be miserable. If you get bullied, your next game will be easy.

All the while giving you packet burst at 60-100 ping if you're remotely above average at the game.

They even give people who buy the new skins easier lobbies to make the players getting shit on think they need to buy them to be good at the game.

The whole system can go in straight in the ocean, it's gaslighting bullshit.
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I'm curious to try this new CoD then just to see how it fairs without it.

Is the beta right now better for it without it?
 
Arsic said:
I'm curious to try this new CoD then just to see how it fairs without it.

Is the beta right now better for it without it?
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I enjoyed it yeah, got my ass beat some games by sweats, got all my streaks and dominated in others. If you like Treyarch games (3 lane maps) then you'll probably like this.

How it should be, and best of all I didn't get punished for getting a good score. The next match was still completely random.

There is still strong lobby balancing, this has been in the game since Black Ops 3. Basically if two really good players are in the lobby, they will be put on opposite teams.
 
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Arsic said:
Is the beta right now better for it without it?
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Biggest benefit for me has been low ping and loading times.

With or without SBMM I've had easy games and very competitive ones difference being you can have 5-6 easy games in a row where with SBMM that's a no go
 
twilo99 said:
Biggest benefit for me has been low ping and loading times.

With or without SBMM I've had easy games and very competitive ones difference being you can have 5-6 easy games in a row where with SBMM that's a no go
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I won't lie that makes me want to pick it up.

Having more consistent fun if you're skilled is what my heyday CoD was like back with the Xbox 360 era.
 
Arsic said:
Is that true? That may explain why I only play new CoD for 2-3 weeks then drop them lol…
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Doubt it, everyone is just trying to figure out what works at the start; a month later players know what's up and you're going to get blasted if you didn't keep up, same thing happens in pretty much every pvp game.
 
asdasdasdbb said:
I thought that was the point of SBMM.

Lots of people (ie: the SBMM haters) only want to kill noobz... but it's worse for the noobz.
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A lot of good players like myself don't want to be sitting forward on my chair g fueled up to the nines. I played the BO7 beta today and obviously was top of my team but I was lying back chilled and died many times to noobs who wouldn't stand a chance.

Cod and SBMM removed itself as a game I'd ever play when I just want to chill out which is the majority of the time.

Sweaty player's are a tiny percent of the player base. Noobs will only get bent over occasionally and it shows them a different side to cod every now and then.
 
Kvally said:
The psycho COD players want to be able to get 80 kill streaks in three minutes against noobs, and get Master Exotic Prestige 1000 in 4 minutes.
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No, I just don't want to feel like every aspect of the game is manipulated. I don't like having a good game, and then knowing the SBMM algorithm is going to set in and my shots aren't going to connect. Then when I have a few bad games, the SBMM gives me an easy lobby out of pity to keep me playing.

Knowing your playing a game that is rigged to keep you engaged longer isn't fun.
 
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Arsic said:
People will be doing a few things on release:
-Saying SBMM is still on
-Saying SBMM off is a mistake

It'll be a fun placebo effect thing lol.

I can't imagine having SBMM off is a good thing for the average CoD player.

The only person this benefits is fucking washed AF shitty streamers like courageJD who can't grift him looking good at the game cuz he's getting dumped on.
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Nah the Beta played miles better with it (almost) off.
 
Kerotan said:
A lot of good players like myself don't want to be sitting forward on my chair g fueled up to the nines. I played the BO7 beta today and obviously was top of my team but I was lying back chilled and died many times to noobs who wouldn't stand a chance.

Cod and SBMM removed itself as a game I'd ever play when I just want to chill out which is the majority of the time.

Sweaty player's are a tiny percent of the player base. Noobs will only get bent over occasionally and it shows them a different side to cod every now and then.
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And if they actually care, it will make them want to get better. The game was still as addictive when I was going 3-30 in Cod 4 just throwing myself on domination flags as it was when I went on huge killstreaks.

I spent time watching people like Xcal and Blame Truth to try and get better. I'm doing the same now with some very good Battlefield players.
 
When COD games didnt have SBMM, I'd trend to 70% win % and 3.00 k/d. Some closer to 4.00 k/d. Playing with total randoms probably 90% of the time. 9% with a buddy, 1% with more partied up buddies.

When SBMM kicked in, it tanked to around 50% win % and 1.5-2.00 k/d.

One thing I notice about SBMM (at least from my end), is that if you log in to play and are a pretty good player you'll kick ass a bunch of games then you get into tougher lobbies. So they set the algorithm similar to dating sites. Log in and it's sweet kicking ass or seeing 10 hot profiles in a row before you get booted to harder lobbies and all the normal looking girls show up. Then you dont get another hottie for the next 100 swipes.

For those of you who have never used dating apps, you log in and you get a swarm of hot chicks. Then you think.... oh wow! I hope all the girls are like this! The first 10 are already 100% sweet! Then the algorithm kicks in and all those kinds of profiles disappear and the fuglies show up. You wont see another hottie until probably tomorrow's log in. But that tactic they do keeps you logging in and swiping.

They could just immediately put you into MM lobbies similar to your performance right away in game 1 that night, but they dont want to scare away gamers who dont want sweaty games right away.

So it's a fishy kind of algorithm they do. One part MM, but one part letting you cheese in to stick around. Instead of start you high and if its too tough that night, ease up to easier lobbies.
 
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After seeing the BF6 reviews, I think COD is in bigger trouble than they might realize, don't think dicking around matchmaking settings will help much.

They'll might have to break out sticky lobbies.

I think the silent majority weren't very happy with annoying cosmetics and will be showing that discontent now. Those tracer effects in BO6 were so bad it felt like people were sabotaging the game.
 
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bighugeguns said:
After seeing the BF6 reviews, I think COD is in bigger trouble than they might realize, don't think dicking around matchmaking settings will help much.

They'll might have to break out sticky lobbies.
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COD will be fine. BF has never penetrated the COD base. And some of their old games are really good and the games always seem to come out before COD.

Even when COD released some shitty games like Ghosts AW, Infinite in a 3 year stretch, and then bombed out with Vanguard (worst COD I ever played) people still prefer COD to BF.
 
StreetsofBeige said:
COD will be fine. BF has never penetrated the COD base. And some of their old games are really good and the games always seem to come out before COD.

Even when COD released some shitty games like Ghosts AW, Infinite in a 3 year stretch, and then bombed out with Vanguard (worst COD I ever played) people still prefer COD to BF.
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Xbox intentionally deleted a chunk of players, though.
 
Now all the sweaty players who can't hang with actual skilled players can pub stomp casuals to their heart's content. At least we won't have to scroll past their salty posts anymore
 
StreetsofBeige said:
COD will be fine. BF has never penetrated the COD base. And some of their old games are really good and the games always seem to come out before COD.
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probably because they are different games, which people seem to have forgotten suddenly.
why would you direct me to play mortal kombat, when I just want to play street fighter? 🤷‍♂️
 
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