Far left, huh? This is like a "die hard atheist" who reads a Chick tract and it really makes them think.
Colin Moriarty is leaving Kinda Funny Games.
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Far left, huh? This is like a "die hard atheist" who reads a Chick tract and it really makes them think.
donutzsick
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Roni
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He barely mentioned that during the interview. You're making it sound like he went to that interview to specifically talk about that incident and defend himself.
He's doing something completely different there, he's setting himself up for a new job. And his point was that most people complaining about the joke didn't really find it offensive, they're just using it to attack him because they don't agree with him.
digitalrelic
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I'm not saying I agree with Colin's viewpoints. I don't. What I'm saying is many users here are literally proving his point. Being "outraged", and making completely inaccurate conclusions about him, solely based off of his fucking Twitter username. It's gross. And people calling him a "white supremacist" are ridiculous as well. When we start throwing around terms like that to anyone that says things we don't agree with, we water down and cheapen its meaning.
TheLostBigBoss
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he's a conservative with a brash personality
harrisk954
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I say that he has hurt KF only because with Colin leaving, he has left a gaping hole in their content --- as many have pointed out, 2 segments have been gutted. Colin was Right is gone and (love or hate Colin) PS, I Love You will be greatly impacted due to the fact that Colin and Greg were the show and you cannot just easily recreate that team. Colin used to annoy the hell out of me on occasion, but he did provide a good insight.
Having to start rebuilding a company that is not even 2 years old yet? A company founded by contributions through Patreon? Not going to be easy, especially when they had such an incredible start and were really sailing along.
I hope that it has not "soured" KF permanently, but it certainly is not beneficial to those guys. Colin was just talking about the future on PS, I Love You last week and then he apparently makes a rash decision to leave because his feelings were hurt? Shows a complete lack of maturity, IMHO.
People of all beliefs jump to conclusions and get angry. One side has copyrighted the terms outrage and outrage culture so in the inevitable event someone who disagrees is mad and not fully informed, it makes that side look wise and prescient.
Depends on how much 'liberal outrage' he is able to manufacture by saying stupid shit. It worked out for a while for Milo to be paid to hurt people until his pedo comments, so maybe it'll be the same case for Colin if he still is going the alt-right route (which he already is)
It also depends on how much other developers and industry people will continue to talk to him even considering the values he represents (if he still wants to do games).
xDUMPWEEDx
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digitalrelic
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I don't give a shit which side we're talking about. It doesn't matter. Both sides of the aisle are clearly guilty of it at times, and I would agree that it's reached ridiculous levels in our current cultural climate. Both sides think they have to be angry about everything at all times.
ScientificPizza
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#bothsides
Audioboxer
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Neil Druckmann better watch out. Thank goodness Adam Boyes isn't with Sony anymore. Although I do miss Boyes with Sony :'(
The future success (or failure) of Kinda Funny will come down to what Greg, Tim and Nick decide to do next. They're going to lose a bunch of followers who were die-hard Colin fans, but there's also an opportunity here to gain back the many followers who left over the past 6-12 months because they were put off by Colin (including myself).
I will likely give them an honest chance, but they'll have to get creative and re-invent themselves a bit going forward.
Best of luck to Colin, I think this decision was long overdue. If we wants to focus his time and commentary on politics and stirring up controversy, it's best to let him go do that somewhere else, where those just interested in casually listening to KF don't have to endure it.
I will likely give them an honest chance, but they'll have to get creative and re-invent themselves a bit going forward.
Best of luck to Colin, I think this decision was long overdue. If we wants to focus his time and commentary on politics and stirring up controversy, it's best to let him go do that somewhere else, where those just interested in casually listening to KF don't have to endure it.
DeathByBacklog
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"Politics, history, philosophy. Reading books."
Um. Colin. Nobody gives a crap what you think about those things. They wanted to know what you thought of video games and the video game industry. So yes. Yes I have heard the last of you.
Ever the pompous ass...
Um. Colin. Nobody gives a crap what you think about those things. They wanted to know what you thought of video games and the video game industry. So yes. Yes I have heard the last of you.
Ever the pompous ass...
digitalrelic
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Okay? It's a good article and I mostly agree with it but I have no idea how it pertains to what I said.
"I've seen dozens of people do exactly this in only the last few pages."
Brianimaniac
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He seems to genuinely believe that these people like Dave Rubin and Glenn Beck find his thoughts on politics to be interesting, when the only reason they give him the time of day is that they see this young conservative libertarian guy with a big gamer following, and they think that if they bring him on their shows, they can expand their own audiences in new demographics by tapping into what Colin has.
It's not "pompous" to be interested in heavier subjects rather than electronic toys.
TheLostBigBoss
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what an asshole having interests in those things
raginrapids
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Same for me. Greg was the cheerleader and Colin the Grouch, they played well off each other. I truly did enjoy his business insights into the industry.
RIP Waterman too
Druckmann just needs to get updated and/or aware. And that doesn't mean that he should watch out or anything, if you're thinking of "shaming" or "pc outrage" or whatever you're fishing for.
And it's cool to have a connection with others, it's not like he has to disown Colin. At the same time being a prominent personality in gaming culture carries meaning and importance, so if you in a professional capacity choose to go on some future show with your diet bigot acquiantance, you're sending a signal that it's okay to be a diet bigot. There's a reason why Druckmann's public support of Feminist Frequency is hugely important and in that same vein, it's hugely important that we don't unintentionally normalize bigotry by going on a potential alt-right platform (now we are just talking future scenarios so disregard)
Too bad he's incapable of fostering empathy for other human beings when it comes to having interests in those things that affect people's material and cultural well-being.
But how many times can you read Atlas Shrugged?
Chalupa Batman
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Goose_Se7en
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I wish a mod would just lock this thread. This isn't even about Colin leaving Kinda Funny anymore. It's devolved into talking about politics and someone of you trying to character assassinate Colin.
As a long time KF fan and Beyond fan before that, many of you are just posting out ya'll asses. Doo Doo butter for everyone and for free as well. Ya'll left leaning folks are almost as bad as some of the extremists on the right. As a Democrat with conservative leanings I'd never wanna be included as a Democrat with some of the likes of you on here. Shit is embarrassing.
I keep thinking, how are we gonna a win the Presidency in 2020 with folks on the left spouting the shit ya spout.
As a long time KF fan and Beyond fan before that, many of you are just posting out ya'll asses. Doo Doo butter for everyone and for free as well. Ya'll left leaning folks are almost as bad as some of the extremists on the right. As a Democrat with conservative leanings I'd never wanna be included as a Democrat with some of the likes of you on here. Shit is embarrassing.
I keep thinking, how are we gonna a win the Presidency in 2020 with folks on the left spouting the shit ya spout.
DeathByBacklog
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No. It's pompous to believe that the people that followed Beyond and Kinda Funny Games gave a DAMN what he thought on those subjects. That wasn't why they were there.
And hey. Glad to know I won't have to sit through chit chat about football games or how Colin wipes his ass. Really? WTF was that about?
Spiral Insanity
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KF is not a platform for that though. That's the whole issue.
Hehe
I disagreed with him on a number of game and non-game topics, but I still hope it works out for him and KoFG. I do think he has an opportunity to fill a niche that is not well represented and could be a boon for himself. I can't think of any legitimate Conservative gaming shows, and if he wanted to mix the things, it could appeal to a lot of users who feel alienated with their less than popular, in gaming circles, political views. It would certainly create a lot of clicks I'd think, at least from 45% of the country. Maybe a Fox News gaming segment.
TheLostBigBoss
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I liked Colin because he was contrarian on nearly every single political view I had and valued his clashing views. There are some people who do exist who like to hear somewhat articulated opposing view points, even if it's from a games podcast. Although he had a better platform with that questions for Colin thing they did a few years back
DeathByBacklog
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Fine. But I didn't tune in to hear that stuff. That wasn't the point of the show. There are other places to fill that need and if he needed to speak on those matters it should have been on another channel all together.
digitalrelic
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Yep. Took just a couple minutes of searching:
Primethius
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Colin's views didn't have much depth or nuance and amounted to nothing more than some basic Poli Sci 101 stuff.
Interfectum
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So like 99% of left leaning GAF and Twitter.
TheLostBigBoss
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I'm not asking for a thesis or to have ground breaking insight. He didn't share my views, he spoke in a reasonable manner, if not brash (like everyone in the thread), and he was entertaining to me.
And basing from this thread a lot of people who criticize Colin for his views could probably use some Poli Sci 101 or basic American history refreshers.
So not dozens, and not all of the ones you quoted fulfill what you were talking about. And you have repeat posters. So... I guess by your logic I'm now even more convinced Colin was wrong, because you were hyperbolic about something?
it's mostly this. Especially since GAF is 99.99% liberal.
Glass Shark
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My god, he's a fucking genius. How has no one ever thought of this brilliant concept before? Elect this man to office!
TheLostBigBoss
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And that's fair too, I don't blame you for getting annoyed when he goes on a political rant for a few minutes in the middle of a gaming podcast.
However sometimes gaming and politics intersect, it just so happens the most politically outspoken person in the group has conservative views on many things.
Right. He wants to talk about something other than games, so he's leaving the games podcast.
Interfectum
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I never listened to the podcasts but I enjoyed the Colin Was Right videos, especially the interviews. Felt like he was just getting into a groove with those.
ScientificPizza
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Sure. Thts why all of GAF are now venturing out to discuss their political opinions professionally
I feel the same way about the interviews, It was really good content.
Yeah those seemed like Colin at his best. He at least acted like he wanted to be open-minded and have a dialogue in those. I think that was part of the issue at KF, no one challenged him so he could say whatever he wanted without having to think about it.
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Neil is judged based upon his own character, not strictly who he is friends with. Who do you think knows Colin better, the KF crew and someone like Neil, or people on the internet? The fact someone can disagree with someone else on social, political, or even religious grounds but still call them a friend should be of a surprise to NO ONE. Are you going to say the same about Greg, Nick and Tim if they still speak to and are friends with Colin? Are they all normalising some ism just for the mere fact they can remain friends with Colin (and even wish him well)?
We've all got family, whether it's parents or brothers/sisters who we disagree with totally on certain things. Same goes for friends and work colleagues. I've got two parents who voted for Brexit, and now that you know that, or anyone else on GAF, do you think I'm going to agree with any calls to bigot, racist, xenophobe or anything else overruling my knowledge of them as individuals? Of course not. I've debated with them for hours, not only on brexit, but tonnes of things in life. Over a span of 20+ years. I can still hug them both and love them knowing the sum of their overall parts, with warts and faults and everything I don't agree with them on, without scorching them from my life, demanding they never speak to me on social media and deciding my parents are "dead to me". I bring that up because some advice topics on GAF about family and friends are utterly tragic. More importantly in the case of Colin, it's the case of friends rather than parents. The KF guys and Neil may have known Colin for years, debated him, disagreed with him, but still had common ground, fun and respect. You really think it should be required Neil gets in line with a hunt online for everyone and anyone who even now dares to speak to Colin?
It's out of control when the goal posts get to this point. It goes from Colin is an asshole, to friends of Colin are assholes if they don't leave him, to people who follow Colin on Twitter might be assholes because following clearly means 1:1 agreement. Imagine being a relatively known writer for a games site, walking down the street and Colin sees you and says hey, your article on x was cool, nice to meet you, how are you doing? If your response would be to turn your inner dials to 11 and scream piece of shit and run away, then that is a failing on your behalf socially, not Colins. Life doesn't tend to be like that for most people, and even with those we might find problematic most of us try to remain civil, and care more about individualism rather than collectivism.
Sorry for the rant, but when you took my original flippant comment and tried to leave it with the "well if Neil stays friends it means Neil as an extension supports/normalises x", then it's just madness. Blaming and instigating fault by collectivism is often a scorch the earth policy that goes a step too far.
digitalrelic
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I just did a quick search over the last handful of pages for phrases like "racist", "supremacist", "alt-right", etc.. All of the quotes fulfill what I'm talking about, which is jumping to wild conclusions and deciding to be outraged over what is misinformation or a complete lack of information altogether. I'll gladly find a few more if you'd like.
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