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I'd like to hear from someone honestly who feels that all opinions need to be heard if they would give the same considerations to anti-white rhetoric that they do to anti-minority rhetoric. I'll even allow for perceived anti-white rhetoric like saying black lives matter.

I haven't seen anyone keep their word in that regard yet.

 

[QaaQer]

They do? What are you wanting, some catalog of GAF posters? I'm not really into that.

It's the kinds of individuals who demand professors be fired, that every and any game or TV show with extreme violence/sexual content needs to reevaluate itself or actual comedians can never tell certain kinds of jokes because jokes can't be jokes. Everything is serious and humanity cannot try and make light of all the dark and horrible shit we need to deal with. As I said, the kind of stuff mums and dads in the Christian right would get up in arms about because GTA has prostitutes and violence in it! Education is teaching how intercourse works! The kids are all watching South Park!

Whoever it is, on whatever side, it's about being authoritarian and wanting to lust after control and power of people's minds, lives and what they do. Funnily enough, mentioning South Park, it is a bit regressive to start calling it alt-right. Why? It's seeking that power and control to try and push people away from it by associating it with a terrible movement for literally no reason other than... you don't like it, so how dare anyone else get to enjoy it?

And before this post gets everyone quoting saying "but criticism is fine!". Yes it is, being regressive isn't criticising, it's getting up in arms not everyone accepts your criticism and won't follow in line with you. That's power and control, it's you almost demanding people believe what you tell them. The Christian right, and right in general, has been doing this for decades. They want control of you, your mind, your ability to think and speak and for you not to be an individual, but part of the collective herd.

And if someone doesn't fall in line, the next step is demonization. There was one post that brought up holocaust denial, or as they phrased it 'genocide denial'. Linking a libertarian with a big mouth to holocaust deniers is a great way to demonize him.

 

[Swimmer9800]

Are you promoting your own youtube channel?

I am not, no.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

I'd like to hear from someone honestly who feels that all opinions need to be heard if they would give the same considerations to anti-white rhetoric that they do to anti-minority rhetoric. I'll even allow for perceived anti-white rhetoric like saying black lives matter.

I haven't seen anyone keep their word in that regard yet.

I think all types of opinions should be heard at least once on a platform and then they can fuck off to wherever they came from if trash. Unless they are actually inciting violence, that's different.

 

[Audioboxer]

I think I'm following you.

I do suspect, however, that for some people (not necessarily yourself) the number of perceived regressive leftists is being inflated by misunderstandings. I was a part of a conversation with Cyclone about cultural appropriation a few pages back, and Cyclone eventually seemed to decide that such a critique was an attempt at literal censorship. And this was after paragraphs of carefully expressed ideas. But it wasn't enough to bring clarity.

If you have a group of people who take pointed criticism as an attempt at the literal suppression of speech, you're going to get people who feel not only under attack personally, but as if the very society they know is also under siege. And moreover, some of these confused individuals may be hearing pointed comments about their casual use of sexism and racism, something that may not have happened to them before. But because they know in their hearts that they are neither sexist nor racist, they don't learn from it. They don't learn the lesson of just being a slightly better person. They take it, again, as humorless attacks from fools who don't understand what real bigotry is.

And thus the misunderstandings grow, hearts darken, and things get worse.

Very fair post. I guess all I can say is I don't speak for a collective or even a small group, it's just me shooting my thoughts out there and seeing what comes back. If everything I posted everyone agreed with I think I'd be doing something wrong. At the very least the good thing about GAF is if you have a big mouth and spew out thoughts you'll get 50 different opinions coming right back at you lol. Hey, it's how we learn. I just promise I'll try my best to never demand anyone changes their opinion to what mine are

And if someone doesn't fall in line, the next step is demonization. There was one post that brought up holocaust denial, or as they phrased it 'genocide denial'. Linking a libertarian with a big mouth to holocaust deniers is a great way to demonize him.

Not sure I follow you? Holocaust denial is abhorrent. It's actual history, and fact. People who genuinely put that forward and aren't just being trolling assholes deserve determined effort to get them to change (but no, not force), and if that fails make it clear how terrible a stance it is. But again, I think I'm completely missing your point?

 

[Lime]

And if someone doesn't fall in line, the next step is demonization.

the horrors of falling in line with listening to, respecting, and not being an asshole towards marginalized groups who have to deal with transphobia, misogyny, white supremacy, classism, homophobia, etc.

 

[APF]

And if someone doesn't fall in line, the next step is demonization. There was one post that brought up holocaust denial, or as they phrased it 'genocide denial'. Linking a libertarian with a big mouth to holocaust deniers is a great way to demonize him.

Who suggested Colin was a holocaust denier?

 

[MrMatt555]

I thought GAF hates Colin...

Why are we about to hit 100 pages on Colin?

 

[Audioboxer]

I thought GAF hates Colin...

Why are we about to hit 100 pages on Colin?

Audioboxers been taking a schooling lesson from GAF for a good few pages.

Just debate. Threads become a bit of a catch all but it's all vaguely related to things Colins saying or people who are talking about him. Better in the one topic than all over the board.

 

[QaaQer]

Very fair post. I guess all I can say is I don't speak for a collective or even a small group, it's just me shooting my thoughts out there and seeing what comes back. If everything I posted everyone agreed with I think I'd be doing something wrong. At the very least the good thing about GAF is if you have a big mouth and spew out thoughts you'll get 50 different opinions coming right back at you lol. Hey, it's how we learn. I just promise I'll try my best to never demand anyone changes their opinion to what mine are



Not sure I follow you? Holocaust denial is abhorrent. It's actual history, and fact. People who genuinely put that forward and aren't just being trolling assholes deserve determined effort to get them to change (but no, not force), and if that fails make it clear how terrible a stance it is. But again, I think I'm completely missing your point?

Someone doesn't like Colin. So in a discussion about colin, holocaust denial is brought up even thought it has nothing to do with Colin. Why? I'm just guesing that it is a tactic to try and tar him with that brush.

 

[Curufinwe]

I thought GAF hates Colin...

Why are we about to hit 100 pages on Colin?

Cause his banana riders insisted it was just a joke and no big deal.

 

[MrMatt555]

Cause his banana riders insisted it was just a joke and no big deal.

It was just a joke. Get over it.

 

[Audioboxer]

Someone doesn't like Colin. So in a discussion about colin, holocaust denial is brought up even thought it has nothing to do with Colin. Why? I'm just guesing that it is a tactic to try and tar him with that brush.

You're going to have to link to that post as I think holocaust denial accusations would be a step to the moon for anyone on here.

They didn't directly. It was a discussion, iirc, about whether Colin was a bad person. My contention is we do not know because there are just some tweets and a game podcast. Then someone brought up 'genocide deniers' which I took to mean Holocaust denial. I thought was an odd thing to bring up.

I think someone has just tried to make a point. I seriously doubt they were attempting to say Colin is a genocide denier. That's crazy.

 

[QaaQer]

Who suggested Colin was a holocaust denier?

They didn't directly. It was a discussion, iirc, about whether Colin was a bad person. My contention is we do not know because there are just some tweets and a game podcast. Then someone brought up 'genocide deniers' which I took to mean Holocaust denial. I thought was an odd thing to bring up.

 

[Lime]

I thought GAF hates Colin...

Why are we about to hit 100 pages on Colin?

because it's not the white guy using his platform to shit on minorities who's the problem, but the people who criticize him for it who are the problem

 

[QaaQer]

You're going to have to link to that post as I think holocaust denial accusations would be a step to the moon for anyone on here.

It's in this thread, someone else can.

 

[APF]

They didn't directly. It was a discussion, iirc, about whether Colin was a bad person. My contention is we do not know because there are just some tweets and a game podcast. Then someone brought up 'genocide deniers' which I took to mean Holocaust denial. I thought was an odd thing to bring up.

It sounds like you don't actually understand what was being said?

 

[QaaQer]

It sounds like you don't actually understand what was being said?

yup.

 

[thumb]

yup.

Do you mean this post?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=231991050&postcount=1763

Because if so, I think you misunderstood.

Also, click on the search button for this thread. There aren't that many posts that use "genocide".

 

[Lime]

It's in this thread, someone else can.

yup.

So you accuse 'the left' of smearing and demonization by smearing and demonizing 'them' with claims of ridiculous holocaust accusations and now you can't be bothered to find the examples.

I hope you realize the performative contradiction you're making.

 

[APF]

I just feel that if we're going to attack fellow GAFers we should at least bear receipts.

 

[Audioboxer]

yup.

lol dude I think that was the quickest 180 ever While I think very few are being a bit hyperbolic about what they accuse Colin of, genocide denying would be so ridiculous I don't even think his #1 mortal enemy would spout that.

Anyway, gotta sleep, debates were enjoyable even if we don't all fully agree. Given how much all of this has exploded I really do hope Colin is on Rogan as stupid tweets are lazy shit posting for Colin. 2+ hours of talking should unravel more.

 

[Alucrid]

It's in this thread, someone else can.

since you're too lazy to look up your own bogus assertion i did it for you

1. the first post in which the word "holocaust" appears after searching for it is this one

And if someone doesn't fall in line, the next step is demonization. There was one post that brought up holocaust denial, or as they phrased it 'genocide denial'. Linking a libertarian with a big mouth to holocaust deniers is a great way to demonize him.

2. the word genocide was a part of the conversation because of this post explaining that the only right context for non-minorities standing up for minorities would be when the Nazis were persecuting Jewish people.

Example of right context? Nazi rally against jews. Everyone should stand against them. Some right wing nutjob asking to ban Islam in the US. Everyone should stand up against him/her.

Etc. etc.



A simple, stupid, everyday joke like Colin's tweet.

there are a few more mentions of genocide, none that i can see that label colin as being a-okay with it.

 

[Madame M]

Keep going fellas, we're almost at 100 pages!

 

[excelsiorlef]

Colin M's political philosophy, summed up in one tweet:

Also, as a bonus, a Colin M tweet presented without comment:

Well if everything else before wasn't enough a yes on Sessions literally wraps that up on his supposed social liberalism lol.

 

[besada]

That's two people just banned for dumb shitposting about the length of the thread. Feel free to comment about it some more. Plenty of bans left.

 

[FyreWulff]

Some who may not have heard too much about Colin politically might be wondering what to expect on Rogan. You can watch Rubin, but it was a bit light on content, and there's this

Someone did ask about weed earlier.

Ah, the old "i don't belong to anybody", political conviction of a dry ice cloud BS.

The dude literally torched his entire job on his own just because he wanted to shit on women. If you're quacking like a duck, be prepared to be called a duck.

 

[Dangansona]

Ah, the old "i don't belong to anybody", political conviction of a dry ice cloud BS.

The dude literally torched his entire job on his own just because he wanted to shit on women. If you're quacking like a duck, be prepared to be called a duck.

I think the more likely cause was to shit on liberals without having to worry about sending away any KF supporters.

 

[Armaros]

Oh yes, of course a racist is more than qualified

Whats more, a racist that was even too racist for normal racism in the 1980s!

Apparently good today tho.

 

[dugdug]

So how long do we give it before he unironically uses the term "sjw?"

 

[Lime]

Just so we are entirely clear what it is Colin Moriarty wants:

For Colin, freedom of speech means to say bigoted shit with impunity and without any criticism aka silencing and oppressing minorities aka no freedom of speech for minorities

As Phill Kollar tweeted:

philip kollar @pkollar 8h8 hours ago
Dude's all about PERSONAL FREEDOM and RESPONSIBILITY except when he fucks up, then it's everyone else's fault for daring to criticize him.

So to reiterate: stop trying to defend this guy.

 

[killroy87]

Just so we are entirely clear what it is Colin Moriarty wants:

For Colin, freedom of speech means to say bigoted shit with impunity and without any criticism aka silencing and oppressing minorities aka no freedom of speech for minorities

So to reiterate: stop trying to defend this guy.

Lol exactly. If you're going to say sexist shit, why should you not be called a sexist? You have every right already to say what you want, but other people have the equal right to call a spade a spade.

 

[Steeped in a Sea of Games]

Just so we are entirely clear what it is Colin Moriarty wants:

For Colin, freedom of speech means to say bigoted shit with impunity and without any criticism aka silencing and oppressing minorities aka no freedom of speech for minorities

These guys always fall apart here. Completey unbridled free speech is good unless you're criticizing me or standing in my way. IE: the only actual speech allowed is what I want to hear. It's Trump's 'fake news' bullshit summed up nicely. What a bunch of hypocrites.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Just so we are entirely clear what it is Colin Moriarty wants:

For Colin, freedom of speech means to say bigoted shit with impunity and without any criticism aka silencing and oppressing minorities aka no freedom of speech for minorities

As Phill Kollar tweeted:


So to reiterate: stop trying to defend this guy.

To boot he literally can't even be consistent in his outrage in a twitter conversation:

Mackey: I wish Colin wasn't relevant
Colin: debate me
Mackey ignores him
Colin: Grow some balls
Gamespot writer: You sound like Uwe Boll
Colin: No one cares about you...
Colin: No one asked you to speak to me...

Literally the same language he got upset at in the first place...

Also funny Mackey makes fun of Colin but never tags him in any of his tweets, so Colin literally had to have been searching for it (he has a bunch of screen shots of Mackey talking about him too)

Dude literally wants to dish whatever he wants and take nothing back and then cry that the left is against free speech.

He's the definition of a coward and a literal child.

 

[CrimsonGun]

What happened to that jontron thread?

 

[Armaros]

Just so we are entirely clear what it is Colin Moriarty wants:

For Colin, freedom of speech means to say bigoted shit with impunity and without any criticism aka silencing and oppressing minorities aka no freedom of speech for minorities

As Phill Kollar tweeted:


So to reiterate: stop trying to defend this guy.

That Libertarian way.

'I believe in 'total freedom', except people's free speech to criticize me.'

 

[ScientificPizza]

Just so we are entirely clear what it is Colin Moriarty wants:

For Colin, freedom of speech means to say bigoted shit with impunity and without any criticism aka silencing and oppressing minorities aka no freedom of speech for minorities

As Phill Kollar tweeted:


So to reiterate: stop trying to defend this guy.

like imagine having such little self awareness that you can't see how contradictory these two sentences are. "i believe in accountability except for when i'm expected to be held accountable"

????

 

[killroy87]

Also funny Mackey makes fun of Colin but never tags him in any of his tweets, so Colin literally had to have been searching for it (he has a bunch of screen shots of Mackey talking about him too)

Dude literally wants to dish whatever he wants and take nothing back and then cry that the left is against free speech.

He's the definition of a coward.

Well to be fair, it wouldn't surprise me if Colin didn't search it out. Anything Mackey says would be relayed to Colin by hundreds of twitter followers.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Colin is just speaking up for all the video game players that have been marginalized and now go unheard. Party chat and online policing has destroyed freedom of speech on Xbox Live and PSN.

Not to mention giving voice to those poor conservatives working in the gaming industry who would be rounded up and put in camps if their employers ever found out.

It is pretty funny that one of the first things he does when he's called out on his shit is tweet/post/talk about how much support and thank yous he's received.

 

[Abdul Hafeez]

"the right to fail" is a very interesting way to say that poor, unaccomplished people chose to be that way cause...freedom or something.

"You see, the poor are poor because they wanted to be poor, and had the freedom to make the choices that led them to their poverty. Freedom, after all, is what makes us American. It's not like the existing economic, social, and political systems actually benefit some at the expense of others. That's just a leftist fantasy or something."

"...without having to worry about being called a bigot or being called a sexist..."

Also, when did freedom of speech become freedom of speech without consequences? It's almost as if conservatives were the snowflakes all along.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Just so we are entirely clear what it is Colin Moriarty wants:

For Colin, freedom of speech means to say bigoted shit with impunity and without any criticism aka silencing and oppressing minorities aka no freedom of speech for minorities

The victim complex is cool too. I like how he implies he's speaking for the "voiceless" when the people he's really talking about are you know the core foundation of Gamergate....

Like sorry Colin you aren't the first to corner the I should get to say sexist things with impunity. You aren't the first to speak for those poor gamers who claim their free speech is being impacted by progressive criticism of videos games. Just says Ethics in journalism and you're basically talking about GG here.

 

[@MUWANdo]

Well to be fair, it wouldn't surprise me if Colin didn't search it out. Anything Mackey says would be relayed to Colin by hundreds of twitter followers.

Yeah, that's exactly what happens, lots of "TAGGING COLIN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO MUCH OF A COWARD TO DO IT YOURSELF" bullshit whenever he or anyone comments about him but not to him.

 

[Mechazawa]

Support for Jeff Sessions is just support for dyed-in-the-wool republican racism.

Is there really any veneer of decency to pretend this dude has at this point.

 

[ScientificPizza]

Like who does Colin think he's speaking for? Who is he representing? Nothing Colin says regarding games is particularly unique or special, and it's not like he's actively highlighting gaming subcultures or anything. Can you really paint yourself as a champion of the voiceless on the back of occasionally celebrating the diversity of video game characters?

It's such a weird thing to say and speaks to how highly he regards himself for no particular reason

 

[SolidChamp]

Support for Jeff Sessions is just support for dyed-in-the-wool republican racism.

Is there really any veneer of decency to pretend this dude has at this point.

Holy shit, he supports Jeff Sessions? He went on record with that?!

 

[MoonFrog]

Got to say I've been feeling pretty guilty for taking pleasure in this ordeal, but reading these quotes is making me think my knee jerk bad reaction to minor encounters with Colin was fairly accurate.

And it's like leftists, progressives, what have you totally do make bad, dumb arguments and generalizations a lot. They're people. And there totally does exist the ideologically attuned but unuanced college educated thinker. I encountered them both in college and in educating college kids. And there does exist the dumb twitter warrior.

But just because these people exist either whole heartedly or in the moment, doesn't mean you didn't say what you said or that you can hide your more dubious statements in a smokescreen of denial and a general, sweeping claim that the world is full of bad arguments.

It is. But the response to that should be to seek them out in others and, importantly, in yourself. The very problem with the "SJW" is a lack of critical self reflection and flying off the cuff. It happens to be the very problem Colin also exhibits.

Number one thing I'd tell my students in an introductory philosophy class was to be intellectually honest and curious; that I was grading them not on being convinced of their rightness so much as their ability to see the argumentative landscape and not hide from flaws in their own thinking, painting it over in sweeping rhetoric or cagey avoidance. That's the beginning of critical thought. That's the struggle against your own sophistry.

Retreating into crying SJW and not looking at yourself is a gross intellectual failing. And he says he wants honest debate.

 

[ScientificPizza]

Holy shit, he supports Jeff Sessions? He went on record with that?!

Yeah:

Colin M's political philosophy, summed up in one tweet:

Also, as a bonus, a Colin M tweet presented without comment:

"I would have said NO to the dumb woman *but*, don't worry fellers, i would have for sure said yes to that racist old man"

 

[Lime]

Got to say I've been feeling pretty guilty for taking pleasure in this ordeal, but reading these quotes is making me think my knee jerk bad reaction to minor encounters with Colin was fairly accurate.

And it's like leftists, progressives, what have you totally do make bad, dumb arguments and generalizations a lot. They're people. And there totally does exist the ideologically attuned but unuanced college educated thinker. I encountered them both in college and in educating college kids. And there does exist the dumb twitter warrior.

But just because these people exist either whole heartedly or in the moment, doesn't mean you didn't say what you said or that you can hide your more dubious statements in a smokescreen of denial and a general, sweeping claim that the world is full of bad arguments.

It is. But the response to that should be to seek them out in others and, importantly, in yourself. The very problem with the "SJW" is a lack of critical self reflection and flying off the cuff. It happens to be the very problem Colin also exhibits.

Number one thing I'd tell my students in an introductory philosophy class was to be intellectually honest and curious; that I was grading them not on being convinced of their rightness so much as their ability to see the argumentative landscape and not hide from flaws in their own thinking, painting it over in sweeping rhetoric or cagey avoidance. That's the beginning of critical thought. That's the struggle against your own sophistry.

Retreating into crying SJW and not looking at yourself is a gross intellectual failing. And he says he wants honest debate.

Round and round we go.

because it's not the white guy using his platform to shit on minorities who's the problem, but the people who criticize him for it who are the problem

People have been more than cordial and diplomatic in talking to him, yet he interprets even the mildest of feedback as an attack on his person.

That you're a philosophy teacher who unironically uses the word 'SJW' is also troubling and I say that as someone with a master's degree in the field.

 

[SolidChamp]

People have been more than cordial and diplomatic in talking to him, yet he interprets even the mildest of feedback as an attack on his person.

Yep! That Twitter block button putting in work.

 

[ScientificPizza]

Colin's recent follows keep him winning: Lauren Southern, Tucker Carlson, Ian Miles Cheong, Rita Panahi