I dont care if your black hispanic woman gay bisexual transgender or straight up caucasian,everybody needs and deserves the piss to be taken out of them sometimes,we live in a culture now where everyone is offended now and I just see that piolce force circling on mass when a silly tweet is posted
Colin Moriarty is leaving Kinda Funny Games.
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tiredheadcrab
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I am the same way sometimes. Except i give a game an hour or after the tutorial to grab me.
If its not entertaining me in the first hour, I could care less about the rest of the product. Still not sure why I stuck it out with UC4 for the whole damn game.
It's more about the acceptability of derisive commentary and behavior toward marginalized groups in gaming culture. Colin's general behavior and garbage-ass dad jokes are just the avatar of that particular question, in this case.
Audioboxer
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The few posters on GAF almost seemingly desperate he goes to Breitbart (presumably to make some self-fulfilling point) are just a pinch out of touch with reality.
Colin and Greg are close friends until one of them says otherwise. The projection of some to imagine they are Greg, or Neil, or someone from KF and spectacularly disowning Colin in some majestic beatdown isn't how it often works in the real world. As I tried to argue as best I could earlier in this topic, you can still be friends with people even if you don't lineup 1:1 with them. Yes, that goes politically as well, believe it or not. Hence why the KF guys were sad, even if lots of people online were celebrating.
I would not be expecting Breitbart, nor Greg to say he's never speaking to Colin again as that is them "broken up". If I'm wrong this post can be quoted to the end of the earth, but keep expectations grounded, not over the top.
Ninja Scooter
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You are right, everyone does, except when people take the piss out of Colin he turns himself into a martyr and his fans become raving lunatics. Don't dish it out if you can't take criticism back.
People above you are upset because a couple of folks were lightly incredulous about a pose he used in a promotional photo.
facetheslayer92
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But your job isn't to play games and give your opinion on them. Some people here are saying "he's so knowledgeable" when he's not. Being a SNES fanboy doesn't make knowledge, it just makes you old.
"Safe spaces for me, insults for you stupid, fragile snowflakes" ad nauseum.
forknknife
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1) let me guess yoy were offended ,id stay away from twitter if I were you
2)1 tweet and a mess is created do you not see the overreaction here
3)here comes the grammar police lol
4)look were all different colins opinionated get over it what would you have a world with uniform conformity god forgive the man for having a bit of personality
Omnistalgic
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eh...some of these points are kinda iffy though man. I don't know about Colin's response to some, but things can be taken out of context and not be a reflection of your character.
- I don't salute the flag, I stand and show respect for it, but I don't pledge alliegnece to any nation, that bothers my morals, but maybe some people thought Colin should just show more respect? Like maybe stand or something (he was kneeling), but don't salute? I think that's somewhat reasonable?
- 2nd point, my wife thought that joke was funny and wasn't offended at all? Is she sexist?
- that Horizon thing I felt was reaching, and it did have an 'air' of criticism for the sake of criticism, especially when Horizon was pretty diverse. It felt like nitpicking and how no one can do anything perfectly, so let's jab at them for the things that aren't perfect.
Again, not really defending Colin, as I don't know the man, but I also don't think it's fair to cherry pick statements like that's the full measure of ones character.
Ninja Scooter
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And people are also opinionated, just like Colin, so why can't you in turn get over it? Why is he exempt from criticism? Why is that when he criticizes or tells dumb jokes he's just being "opinionated" and telling it like it is, but when people are critical of him they are "overreacting" and just contributing to the outrage culture? Can you honestly explain the difference?
Ninja Scooter
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There is something hilariously hypocritical about a supposed libertarian, who feels that Americans shouldn't be compelled by the government to pay taxes, criticizing someone for not being compelled to stand for the jingoistic bullshit the national anthem has become. There's also something hilarous about Colin "join or die tattoo" accusing someone else of coming across as a "rage against the machine listening" teenager, but self awareness is not is strong suit.
Just out of curiosity, how old are you?
Will be interested to see if any more behind the scenes info comes from this, but I'm not going to watch it.
1) come on.
2) did she make it a point to go out of her way to make a joke like that on a day like that
3) all the writer was asking for was for people to give pause and think more and talk more about native imagery or culture being used in video games. that's not needling gorilla for not being the perfect example of diversity. it's using horizon as an example of what she sees as a larger issue.
Because the KF situation is a tragedy...never been fond of them (never was a beyond listener and their days at the top of IGN PlayStation were the days I started drifting away from PlayStation and IGN) but they've worked closely together for years, went their own way together, and were successful at that together and now there keep being wedges driving them apart and it really looks like that wedge is Colin, whether he wanted to be so or not.
Like, I've said a lot of bad things about Colin in this thread...he repeatedly does things to convince me that I'm not too far off the mark. But the guy also comes across as wounded and shocked that people aren't all lining up for him. If he could just take that wound and nurse it in a constructive way instead of going off half-cocked on all disagreement while pretending to be "Mr. Rational Discourse," we'd be in a different place. If he wasn't bent on running for a safe space, while hypocritically calling them out, and demonizing all criticism of him as from an unruly, hateful, dumb mob, we'd be in a different place.
Throw in Trump, and shit just gets worse. You have a lot of conservatives today who, when push comes to shove, surrender and side with Trump as the man in their corner, even if they make a big show of their differences up to this point, basically surrendering to the ugliest side of their beliefs rather than surrendering those beliefs. And you have a lot of liberals scared and shocked by the election, so there is a lot of pushing going on.
Since the election, Colin has been reservedly contrite (I left my party, I voted for another nominee, I watch liberal talking heads) and then trying to shoulder some of the blame off on liberals (should have voted for Romney...I fought from within the conservative movement...you all don't have important positions or power to change things so shut up...) or paint their reaction as over the top (the sun will rise...crazy GAF and its hateful echo chamber...people on the internet and their outrage culture) or try and salvage a "respectable" conservative route for supporting Trump (I would have voted for Sessions, but not Devos) and generally unwilling to take any shit for his beliefs or his statements or to quiet his political persona. The idea seems to be that he's met people halfway on his account, done that thinking for everyone and fuck them if they have their own minds about that.
And this is why this whole thing is amusing and disgusting and captivating. I never liked the guy, but it is a messy destruction of his career and public life up until now on the back, mostly, of his own pride and inability to, publicly at least, be thoughtful in trying times. Instead he just pushes the issue every chance he gets.
And thoughtful is the very thing he claims he wants to be.
Omnistalgic
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yeah, like I said, I don't follow his tweets enough to really have an opinion of his views. I just watched KF and know he comes across as pretty opinionated. Could be an ass, I dunno, don't really care that much.
I just know I didn't think that joke was really terrible or anything, but I don't think I'm a sexist either lol.
But from what I'm reading, seems to be a mountain of evidence against Colin, and many GAFFer's have an issue with him. I know he pissed me off with that PS4 Pro thread, so yeah, I hope he finds some perspective.
Valdfellgar
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Yep, I mean, either you agree that this here is a problem both communities suffer from or you've buried your head in the sand. I don't think any of this is even remotely debatable.
Omnistalgic
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1) ??
2) No, not at all, I see your point, I don't think it was in good taste.
3) Well said, still seems mean though, it's pretty hard to put your creative work out there, I think critics are pretty mean overall though lol..but I guess it did get enough praise to balance it out.
BrianRoyale
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He's live on Rubin report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxAPUCRQtt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxAPUCRQtt4
Audioboxer
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I'll see it later, about to make dinner.
Your thoughts are cool, I just think the projection of Greg and Co almost have to hate him now is just ignorant of how many friendships in the real world work. The Breitbart stuff is just as I said wishful thinking. Of someone I don't think has ever tweeted or commented on Breitbart he's suddenly going there as that is where all the bad men go? :/
I'd argue Colin isn't even right wing enough for Breitbart.
Ninja Scooter
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It's not the joke dude. Colin will keep making himself a martyr over the joke acting like the joke, in a vacuum, is why he was criticized, because that's all he has. He needs people to latch on to that because "all I did was tweet a joke and the internet exploded on me!" is all he has. He needs that to be true so that he can continue running around pretending to be a martyr for the outrage culture run amok.
Omnistalgic
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well said...
i think a he could kneel, sit, stand, balance on one leg, whatever, and people would have an issue not because of how he was protesting but the fact that he was protesting
Alex_Mexico
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I take issue with two points (the rest I concur):
The "only white men" in his show is a stretch, really. The topics he specifically waned to touch are, sadly, with white men. The reality is that this industry is primarily made of white men. I wouldn't ask for a diversity quota when looking for people to interview about a specific topic he wants to tackle. I'd take more issue with the fact that KF is comprised entirely of whit women, though. That was something Colin had more control over!
And the Native American cultural appropriation thing if you're referring to the Horizon debacle I'm with colin on this one. Horizon is the most inclusive, diverse, and forward thinking AAA videogame I have ever played in my life and someone got offended because they used the word "Brave" and never in an is luring or degrading way towards any Native American? I would've vented less angrily than what Colin said but I'm with him on this one.
Omnistalgic
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yeah, I've read a lot of this is the "straw" posts about his overall comments. I just never paid much attention to him. But this is a storm he's in now that's for sure.
BUNTING1243
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"i'm not even a little sorry about that tweet."
what a shithead.
what a shithead.
Omnistalgic
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oh yeah, I agree. I almost got into a fight with a vet because I wasn't pledging at the opening of an amusement park. we had a nice discussion for about 3 seconds, and then it just went left. His mate pulled him away and i just yelled back, 'perfect example of why I'm not patriotic you jerk!"
I do wish Colin would have another amazing year like his Super Bowl run though, his statements would be even louder if he was on top. Sad, but true.
and wow, at the little bit of defending I was doing for Colin because I don't personally know him, seems to just have a big head about things. Even when I feel I didn't do anything wrong, I feel sorry just for hurting other people's feelings. It's just, ya know human decency and having love for other people.
Yucky attitude.
All of that is the problem though. Part of the reason the industry is so disproportionately white and male is because there isn't enough outreach to people who aren't that. It would be great if people went out of their way to find more unique voices. The other part of the lack of diversity is from people like Colin himself. What woman is thinking "fuck yeah, I can't wait to get more involved in this industry" when people like Colin are tossing out garbage, sexist dad jokes like that tweet, much less the rest of his commentary? He plays a role in actively shaping the context that leads to a pool of potential panel speakers who represent just white dudes.
look, all the writer was saying was "hey, remember native americans still exist and it would be nice if you thought about us before using our imagery or culture" hey, i liked horizon. and yeah, there was a great amount of diversity among the cast. but just because i liked it and because they did well in one area doesn't mean it's immune from criticism and it certainly doesn't invalidate it. being instantly dismissive of the idea tells me that neither colin nor you really saw what the writer was asking for.
A poster above you criticized Zelda BoTW as overrated because Assassin's Creed 1 had surfaces you can't climb.
aGuyInaBearSuit
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lmao, did he really attack people's maturity based on liking RATM? Like, Tom Morello is a Harvard graduate. Additionally, Greg Graffin of Bad Religion is a professor at UCLA and Serj Tankian is fairly well-educated, too. People who make music like that often have a pretty damn good idea of what they're talking about.
Ninja Scooter
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He sort of burned through any good will he had after years of being a pretty blatant shit heel, which is fine, if you want to be the guy that pushes buttons, if you want to be the guy the tells stupid sexist jokes on national women's day, cool, then own it, don't turn around the minute you are faced with criticism for it and cry and whine about outrage culture (especially when it's crystal clear that's exactly what you were baiting for). If you want to be that guy, engage and have a discussion, the problem for Colin is he lacks the empathy, self awareness and capacity to have thoughtful discussion. He comes from the Bill OReilly/Skip Bayless school of discussion where as long as you are louder and more obnoxious and more stubborn, and condescendingly dismissive of any criticism or opposing views, you win and you are the smartest guy in the room.
Yeah, I agree with you on that, which originally was supposed to be clear in my post.
My point is mostly trying to salvage that I do see a very human Colin behind this all and not just some rightwing monster, but that it is messy because it is his very personality which is driving this all.
And I do think we're piling on a bit. I do think, at times, Colin tries to come around in his own way, but that he inevitably fails at doing so and that his response to that is to dig his heels in. If he could actually let someone else set the terms of the debate to some degree, he'd have fewer problems. If he actually didn't feel the need to have this conversation now and vindicate himself as right now, he'd have fewer problems.
And these are completely human failings that can obviously be overcome in knowing, working, and living with someone.
Storm Chamber
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Par for the course
It's an intersection of a lot of topics that gaf has been interested in for a while.
digitalrelic
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Then go elsewhere?
Watching Colin live on The Rubin Report right now... I've defended him here & there throughout the thread, but he's coming off as a self-righteous, ego-filled, hypocritical asshole right now.
I'd rather summize it as: all the writer was saying was "hey, there is this new popular game out I can leverage to make my cause known to a ton of people!".
And it worked quite well, the argument itself was bullshit, but it was enough to be picked up by every media outlet and its grandma. So, many gamers have now freshly heard of the existence of that organization, which was absolutely positively 100% of the point.
Alpha Phoenix
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Is he going to Harvard Law School?
Sounds like there is more below the surface. Rubin prefaced his question about what went down by saying without throwing anyone under the bus etc. Colin saying he won't go into detail because he has too much respect for the other guys and the audience. I hope we get the whole story one day.
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