Opticability
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No thread about Colin without ad hominem attacks. What has he ever done to gaf that he deserves to be shit on in such a juvenile manner?
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Colin was Right: Same Old Nintendo (Jan 19. 2017)
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Right, but Colin knows that this is how they operate. He can argue that they shouldn't do it this way, sure, but he's acting like what they've shown is 100% what they have when he knows better.
Twenty7KVN
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I agree with him on this. Still can't wait to get my switch though.
There's also a larger discussion to be had about tone. Arlos video isn't dismissive of the negative criticism, and absolutely touches on it, but the video is just much more palatable.
Dash_Riprock
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"He doesn't like what I like, therefore its okay to throw juvenile insults!"
you should take a look-see in the PS I Love You XOXO thread. people are fucking ridiculous in regards to Colin on here.
First of all, I'm not looking for excuses to downplay it. I don't have anything against Nintendo. There's no need to manufacture console wars nonsense just because I gave an opinion you don't agree with. We can be better than that.
Here's the thing: I don't expect Nintendo to put out a new game in every existing franchise year 1, but I do expect them to come with something stronger if the third party support isn't going to be there and by the look of it, it is definitely not going to be there. If I were to buy a Switch at launch, Breath of the Wild and Super Mario Odyssey could, potentially, be the only games I buy in 2017. Maybe Splatoon 2, maybe the MK8 port because I adore Mario Kart. But that's really about it, among the things they've announced so far.
It's perfectly fine if you disagree and see 6-8 games in that first year worth getting excited about. We're allowed to disagree! But Nintendo's aim is to mitigate that disagreement and make a compelling case to as many people as they possibly can. For me, they've failed. For many others, they've failed. Their hardcore fans won't be disappointed, and that's great! It really is. I'm glad that people are going to enjoy the Switch. I'm not the asshole who wants to sit here and tell you that you shouldn't be satisfied. But I'm not particularly satisfied, and that's sort of a bummer.
NinjamicWZ
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Kanye would say Colin's method of communication works.
I think the culture has just changed with gaming, the Nintendo and eastern games are games kids would probably want to sit down and share with parents. My son loves stuff like Dragon Quest because we can both experience it together and talk about the monster designs, but I'm wondering if the reason these uninaginative series do so well with children is because the games are used as babysitting tools by adults today.
Hendrick's
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He's absolutely spot on with this sadly.
Newtype-001
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10:19 to 10:55 is straight burn to nintendo they should be embarrassed tbh.
ehhhhhhhhhhh
nah. the thing has way more awareness and positivity going for it from press and influencers. the wii u was a confusing device with no understandable hook, and when that hook was explained, it made no sense, nor did it give the system any value.
the wii u also kept getting bad news after bad news until release. it was just a bad system with no redeeming features and rightfully ignored by pretty much everyone.
MisterR
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It doesn't matter that they have a few unannounced games or whatever. This was their new systems first impression. If you don't know how important first impressions are in this industry, ask Sony and MS. Sony killed their first impression and it won the generation for them. MS fucked up big time and are still trying to dig out of that hole. Nintendo needed to put their best hand out there, and they fucked up. That's the point.
Just finished the video. It wasn't great, but not the hyperbolic shit fest some make out the show to be. He does get some facts wrong (like talking about Nintendo consoles and pack ins at launch), hand waves away some of the 3rd party support, and makes some assumptions about the online service that haven't been detailed yet.
I agree that the online service reveal had nothing positive to give optimism that they know what they're doing this time, and the launch lineup is defenitely pretty damn weak compared to the other two consoles. Most of his concerns make sense, and echo what seem to be very common criticisms of the reveal here.
I agree that the online service reveal had nothing positive to give optimism that they know what they're doing this time, and the launch lineup is defenitely pretty damn weak compared to the other two consoles. Most of his concerns make sense, and echo what seem to be very common criticisms of the reveal here.
franklyshankly
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Well, games rated M shouldn't be played by kids of that age regardless. I think you're being a bit condescending with the whole "unimaginative" thing, people just enjoy different experiences. I also challenge your assertion that it's primarily "kids" playing COD and Battlefield, I think the average age of players in those games is much higher than you would expect.
Unfortunately, your preferences are in the minority in this industry, and focusing on them isn't really a great business strategy.
that's the point I was making, pretty much
His whole job is criticism and opinion pieces. Just because it is a message that some people don't want to hear doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to say it. The fact that so much optimism and opportunity was squandered is an important narrative for the Switch because it can give us context if the console struggles or provide perspective if Nintendo is able to succeed despite a console offering that still defies basic expected functionality found on a competitors platform from 2002 and still spotty third party support. In other words, if this is Nintendo's last shot, did they come out on the best foot?
The awareness and positivity was due to the initial slick trailer though.
Their actual press conference sparked a lot of mixed reactions, back & forth debate.
Omnistalgic
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Can't argue with a lot of this stuff...and I disagree with Colin plenty, but he's spot on overall with Nintendo. Honestly, Nintendo feels like they are exploiting their franchises with hardly any effort.
Their devs come up with really fun game designs and Switch is like this hybrid portable, motion, VR, gameplay session encouraging groups to play together. Stuff like Bomberman, Arms, Mario Kart can be fun all over again in different ways. But then they charge you $80 in addition to the console, in addition to the game, to get the Arms experience they were advertising? That's $440 + tax! Why so much? Even if I have the disposable income, it just doesn't feel right on principle what Nintendo is charging for things here.
I may eventually end up getting one, but going to need a price-drop first, as buying in day one, I feel like I'm rewarding Nintendo for just bad business in my eyes. Yeah, I appreciate your developers coming up with cool designs and really trying to innovate on how we play, you don't have to try and rob me blind though with these Apple tax prices.
Their devs come up with really fun game designs and Switch is like this hybrid portable, motion, VR, gameplay session encouraging groups to play together. Stuff like Bomberman, Arms, Mario Kart can be fun all over again in different ways. But then they charge you $80 in addition to the console, in addition to the game, to get the Arms experience they were advertising? That's $440 + tax! Why so much? Even if I have the disposable income, it just doesn't feel right on principle what Nintendo is charging for things here.
I may eventually end up getting one, but going to need a price-drop first, as buying in day one, I feel like I'm rewarding Nintendo for just bad business in my eyes. Yeah, I appreciate your developers coming up with cool designs and really trying to innovate on how we play, you don't have to try and rob me blind though with these Apple tax prices.
their press conference for Switch was meh
the Wii U's big showing was atrocious
huge difference
Yeah, I agree on your Wii U comparison. Just not being a "Wii" should automatically help it out. There's probably still people out there wondering why they were never able to get their hands on a Wii U accesory for their Wii.
Ninja Scooter
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Criticizing him for stupid ass things he says or tweets is not the same as attacking his physical appearance.
onemanasylum
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The point is million look forward to BF, COD, those are huge franchises, and third party support meant there were no long droughts of software. Your personals tastes having nothing to do with the point he is making.
FinaruDensetsu
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The guy spends over ten minutes explaining his opinion but just gets shit all over by "superfans".
Newsflash: He's a much bigger fan than you people. Sycophants aren't fans. If you love something you don't turn a blind eye to its weaknesses, you point them out in the hopes that they can improve and achieve the potential you see in them.
Newsflash: He's a much bigger fan than you people. Sycophants aren't fans. If you love something you don't turn a blind eye to its weaknesses, you point them out in the hopes that they can improve and achieve the potential you see in them.
Lionel Richie
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Really? You really think that a game directed by Yoko Taro, another one by the Killzone dudes and a 2010's Team Ninja game are as likely to be good as a motherfucking Zelda game? Don't get me wrong, I think all of those games are going to be awesome especially Nioh and Nier, but really?
TAS
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Most of what he says I agree with but the pompous schtic doesn't help his cause. One thing he fails to take into account is that for the first time in Nintendo history, all software will be consolidated on one platform. So that guarantees at the very least that this will not be another Wii U situation. Also..correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most 3rd party developers just getting their hands on development kits? That can explain why 3rd party support seems weak for now. A little premature to declare 'same old Nintendo'.
He kind of brings it on himself (Maybe intentionally?) when he drops into the thread himself to make petulant posts about being attacked by gaf posters... when no one in the thread was actually attacking him (He also didn't respond to requests to show which posts were attacking him iirc), just disagreeing with him and pointing out the misinformation he was pushing on some subjects.
Omnistalgic
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Like so many of us...
My first hardware, that my mom gave to me, was SNES. We all love or used to love Nintendo.
FinaruDensetsu
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And there is also valid and constructive criticism in there too.
Cow Goes Moo
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are you really questioning someone for having different tastes?
the actual press conference did that among people who are on message boards that are increasingly removed from the direction of the overall industry. checking out reactions from influencers on youtube and press outlets and it's been far more positive. the price is mostly well-received (with the only people who don't like it begrudgingly accepting it), and people are wowed over zelda and mario. more than that, nintendo's trailers for mario and zelda are getting a ton of views on youtube - and that shouldn't be the only metric, but you can make a direct comparison to wii u reveal trailers and see that nearly five years later, the difference is vast.
RichiRamjag
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Consoles Wars nonsense? I didn't say shit about console wars. I don't give a fuck what you play on. So sick of seeing people shit up a convo by bringing up console wars on comments that have nothing to do with them. It is possible to say that someone is trying to convince themselves of something without it being related to any console war. I talk shit about Xbox, Nintendo, Sony and PC on the regular. I don't think you hate Nintendo nor did I say that (i wouldn't care if you did).
That aside, I think most of the switch is a mess. One thing I think they got right is the first year though. Launch lineup is all sorts of shit though. When a system releases in march and has 6-8 solid first party games, I consider that a good year. I think that if switch wasn't hurting so much in relation to third-parties, most people would agree. Anyhow, this convo is just going in a circle at this point, so agreeing to disagree and moving on is probably the best bet at this time.
LambdaTeos
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I only agree with these ones
everything else is kinda irrelevant tbh, sounds more like a fanboy with broken heart
But these are true, the price for those things is waaaay too high
Omega Kirby
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Is he reading a script? Feels so Unnatural
TAS
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I'm talking about in terms of actual 3rd party support and games releasing on the system in the near future. If they are just getting dev kits now, obviously they won't have anything to show at launch. That doesn't mean that they are boycotting the system like Wii U tho.
oh it definitely stooped to those levels in that thread
Right, but the way I interpreted that comment—and I don't think this is unreasonable—was, "you hate Nintendo, therefore you're trying to convince yourself that Nintendo/Switch sucks." Maybe "console wars" was the wrong word choice, given that we're not speaking comparatively, but it certainly seemed like you assumed bad intentions on my part. And I defintely wasn't meaning to imply that you're blindly defending Nintendo, though I now see how my "console wars" reply could be read that way. Apologies for that.
Yeah, absolutely. Our interest in the games varies. We agree, more or less, about the rest of it.
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He said the device seems to be great but the product isn't good. That's a big difference
Joelstinton14
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Two player out of the box too.
I agree but that doesn't excuse the actions of some posters, even if they were in the minority
I also agree with this
RichiRamjag
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Nah. Didn't mean that at all. I just know that sometimes I'll use a similar thought process when trying to decide if I want something and sometimes I'll talk myself out of it.
I'm still not sure if I should cancel my preorder, all their news regarding online and apps isn't helping lol.