Spike Spiegel
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James Bond #1 Preview (CBR)
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Literally, I mean. The first few pages are completely silent and void of dialogue.
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COMICS! |OT| November 2015. The much-anticipated sequel to October's OT.
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Hahaha
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
I remember everyone being wrinkly. And a cow joke that went on for way too long.
Savor this sample to hold you until next week:
LOOK AT ALL THAT SPACE AND THEM CUBES.
Poodlestrike
Banned
This was before the cow joke. Page I was looking at when I posted:
Good, but odd.
Also as a bonus, my face when people post anime gifs:
This is the logical next step for Rocafort's layouts and yet I did not see this coming.
Freezasaurus
Member
Boxy, those cubes are 2 lewd.
KoruptData
Member
Caught up with Vader with issue #11 and that was fantastic. The way Vader is playing both sides is masterful. You went from some corny sounding dialog in the first arc to just spot on dialog. Classic tale of the writer taking some time to figure things out. You can tell in the letters section that he loves writing this book.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
It looks like the same layouts he always does except this time he's filling the background more instead of leaving them blank.
They are sexy cubes.......
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
my name is ed
Banned
that Rocafort spread is pretty nice. i wonder how fast he draws. his lines give me the impression hes pretty loose
That's awesome. I can't wait, Ellis is going to kick ass on this.
WadiumArcadium
Member
"Every time I come to England it's raining and someone's dead."
Ringing endorsement for this country.
True though.
Unlettered Devil Dinosaur preview
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/first-look-moon-girl-and-devil-dinosaur-1/1100-154075/
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/first-look-moon-girl-and-devil-dinosaur-1/1100-154075/
Looks cool. Will buy.
Well you made the correct decision, good job.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Wasn't buying print in the first place an incorrect decision?
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Finally read Black Magick. THAT is how you do B&W art. Can't wait to see more.
it's not really B&W though
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Close enough.
Looking forward to buying the trade, not reading it, and dusting it in a year.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Just living the dream!
Mr. Luchador
Member
Just a few issues until I've read 700 issues of Marvel from #FF1 in Chronological Order. I'll admit it now, at times it has been a bit difficult due to how dated and bad some of the stories are. HOWEVER, when it's good, it's good and I've found it easy to read several issues back-to-back.
Writers
So far I've really enjoyed gaining an appreciation for storytelling and art in comics. Before this I didn't really care too much, and just wanted to see the major story arcs and their conclusions - basically the MAJOR EVENTS. I was really bad for reading the internet to get the general idea of what was happening and then picking up a handful of key issues/the conclusion issue.
However, since I've started from the beginning it's pretty clear they're are some REALLY good storytellers, and some not so good ones. I'm more than likely several decades behind on these views, but I've discovered I don't really like Stan Lee as a storyteller. I think he's without a doubt one of the best publicists and promoters of comics, but the stories he tends to lead are so hammy and corny (even by comic standards). He's also really guilty of doing the old 'Robot of the Week' cop-out. However, I must respect a man who can seemingly write 500+ issues out of the 700 I've read, and perhaps I'm just enjoying a new style of writing after reading so much of his work already.
Actually... really looking back it would appear that Stan Lee had his hand in those, so perhaps I'm being overly harsh. When he's good he's good, but when he's bad... he's bad? Perhaps his talents were spread too thinly at times and the quality suffered, after all Spiderman has been consistently one of the better comics in the order so far. As far as I can tell Stan Lee has written each and everyone of those so far.
I've liked Roy Thomas' writing for the Hulk mini-stories in 'Tales to Astonish'. The conflict between Banner and the Hulk has had seeds set, and the way the Hulk keeps wishing to the stars for a peaceful place to call his home is fantastic. I've also enjoyed his run on the Avengers, as it feels like an on-going story where things matter and stay relevant. However, his work on the X-Men is terrible, so I'm not entirely sure what to think there.
My favourite though, as I've sung praises for already, is Jim Steranko. His writing mixed with his own unique art style cause him to stand head and shoulders above the rest of the Marvel writing pool during this time. For me Steranko is everything I'd associate with comics and their presentation. I'm not sure if he's responsible for the way the panels changed during his time as writer/artist of Nick Fury, but it was so refreshing to see things blended, woven together instead of the very pedestrian 4/6 panel blocks. But anyway, as a writer Fury is one of the few characters that comes across with his own personality and style in the writing and not just the art.
600-700 Impressions
Spide-rman - Not many issues of Spiderman over the last 100 in the Reading Order, however (as is often the case with Spiderman) they're all crucial reading. It continues to be one of the better comics within the order, and one of the few that has created a great sense of a living world. You don't just care or become concerned for Peter Parker/Spiderman, you care for his supporting cast too.
500-600 was really huge for Spiderman. It had Green Goblin unmasking, Norman Osbourne discovering Peter Parker's secret, and vice versa, before suffering a blackout and forgetting it all. Even the Rhino made his debut. 600-700 only had a handful of Spiderman stories, but all of them were pretty much essential reading. The Shocker made his first appearance and wasn't overly cheesy considering his power and the time period. Kraven made his return, convinced he'd take down Spider-Man AND The Green Goblin (who he felt had betrayed him the last time they worked together).
There was a 'New' Vulture (a convict who double-crossed the original Vulture so he could steal the flying equipment and use it escape prison), however I wasn't really a fan of it. Thankfully it seems to have only lasted 3 issues.
However, there's been so much personal life progression that Spider-Man has become less about the villians of the week and more about the development of Peter Parker. It's so refreshing to read about how someone is dealing with being a Superhero and still trying to maintain a normal life. I didn't think I'd enjoy the never ending love triangle between Parker and his many girls, but it's been a good read so far. Betty v Liz Allen, Betty v Gwen, Gwen v MJ.
That's almost the real story in Spider-Man!
But it's not just Peter Parker who has issues. You get a little insight into MJ's dreams, Flash Thompson heading off to war, Harry Osbourne being a little estranged with his father. Everyone seems to have a purpose, and a life outside of the panels. It's nice, and dare I see a little deep for a comic from the 1960s?
Fantastic Four
Whereas there were only a handful of Spider-Man stories, Fantastic Four have propped up this last 100 issues in the reading order. I also have to make a confession - I wanted to really hate Fantastic Four, as I've always had this deep rooted dislike for them and found them boring. However, after Spiderman Fantastic Four is easily the second best comic in the order right now.
I still think the actual Fantastic Four (The Thing excluded) are boring, but so much goes on in their stories that it's hard to dismiss the comics. Reed Richards has had his first (or perhaps his second) trip into the Negative Zone thanks to an attack on his lab by The Sandman (which I didn't like). He was saved by the FF with the help of the Inhumans - basically Triton swam through the Negative Zone to bring him back...
Naturally after all of that the FF decide to take a break and go on Holiday ANYWHERE in the WORLD! Well anywhere the dart is thrown on the map, and hey what do you know it lands on a nice remote island aww... where the Sentry is... that warns the Kree.
Oops.
So the FF have introduced Marvel to
- The Skrull
- Silver Surfer
- Galacticus
- The Kree
- The InHumans
Lately they've just created 'God', a being that spawned from a Cocoon who was so pure... and of course Dr. Doom. I've probably forgotten a few too. FF is insane for Galactic events. The only thing that spoils FF are the 'normal' episodes, they're so bad and often repeated - how many times can Ben Grim flip flop between wanting to be normal and love being The Thing? How many times will The Thing turn on and fight the other members of the FF? How many times does Reed Richards beat Sue off panel?
Strange Tales
This start off so poorly but by the end of it's run (which happened with this 100 issues) it was one of comic lines I really looked forward to. Nicky Fury and Dr. Strange were well written and amazingly drawn.
Avengers
Avengers is another really well written and interlinked series of comics, events carry over from one issue to the next. Not in a hugely in your face way, but just in the little details, such as Black Widow's injury. It's nice and makes things feel like they matter. The stories aren't too thrilling from what I can remember, but the group dynamic and development is really working. What's interesting is Quicksilver's slow development towards hating Homosapians, I'm really looking forward to this.
Sadly X-Men and Daredevil continue to be terrible. The sooner Daredevil stops this terrible Mike/Matt Murdock bullshit the better. It's not clever, it's silly. It's so silly, it makes me feel silly as I've spent too much time wondering if it's something more than it is (it's not). It's terrible.
The only standout issue remains the appearance by Spider-Man where Foggy dressed up as Daredevil and everyone commented how fat Daredevil had become. Foggy did this to get into a girl's pants.
Tales of Suspense is pointless at this point in time. Iron Man hasn't been up to much. Captain America had a brief run in with Red Skull, and met Agent Carter for the first time. He's now wondering about retiring his secret identity, it's a shame I don't care about this more as it is interesting.
The Hulk hasn't been up to much, but the few times he's appeared he's been one of the most human of all the characters in Marvel.
Surprisingly, according to CMRO Marvel Unlimited is missing just over 60% of the comics printed within 616!
Writers
So far I've really enjoyed gaining an appreciation for storytelling and art in comics. Before this I didn't really care too much, and just wanted to see the major story arcs and their conclusions - basically the MAJOR EVENTS. I was really bad for reading the internet to get the general idea of what was happening and then picking up a handful of key issues/the conclusion issue.
However, since I've started from the beginning it's pretty clear they're are some REALLY good storytellers, and some not so good ones. I'm more than likely several decades behind on these views, but I've discovered I don't really like Stan Lee as a storyteller. I think he's without a doubt one of the best publicists and promoters of comics, but the stories he tends to lead are so hammy and corny (even by comic standards). He's also really guilty of doing the old 'Robot of the Week' cop-out. However, I must respect a man who can seemingly write 500+ issues out of the 700 I've read, and perhaps I'm just enjoying a new style of writing after reading so much of his work already.
Actually... really looking back it would appear that Stan Lee had his hand in those, so perhaps I'm being overly harsh. When he's good he's good, but when he's bad... he's bad? Perhaps his talents were spread too thinly at times and the quality suffered, after all Spiderman has been consistently one of the better comics in the order so far. As far as I can tell Stan Lee has written each and everyone of those so far.
I've liked Roy Thomas' writing for the Hulk mini-stories in 'Tales to Astonish'. The conflict between Banner and the Hulk has had seeds set, and the way the Hulk keeps wishing to the stars for a peaceful place to call his home is fantastic. I've also enjoyed his run on the Avengers, as it feels like an on-going story where things matter and stay relevant. However, his work on the X-Men is terrible, so I'm not entirely sure what to think there.
My favourite though, as I've sung praises for already, is Jim Steranko. His writing mixed with his own unique art style cause him to stand head and shoulders above the rest of the Marvel writing pool during this time. For me Steranko is everything I'd associate with comics and their presentation. I'm not sure if he's responsible for the way the panels changed during his time as writer/artist of Nick Fury, but it was so refreshing to see things blended, woven together instead of the very pedestrian 4/6 panel blocks. But anyway, as a writer Fury is one of the few characters that comes across with his own personality and style in the writing and not just the art.
600-700 Impressions
Spide-rman - Not many issues of Spiderman over the last 100 in the Reading Order, however (as is often the case with Spiderman) they're all crucial reading. It continues to be one of the better comics within the order, and one of the few that has created a great sense of a living world. You don't just care or become concerned for Peter Parker/Spiderman, you care for his supporting cast too.
500-600 was really huge for Spiderman. It had Green Goblin unmasking, Norman Osbourne discovering Peter Parker's secret, and vice versa, before suffering a blackout and forgetting it all. Even the Rhino made his debut. 600-700 only had a handful of Spiderman stories, but all of them were pretty much essential reading. The Shocker made his first appearance and wasn't overly cheesy considering his power and the time period. Kraven made his return, convinced he'd take down Spider-Man AND The Green Goblin (who he felt had betrayed him the last time they worked together).
There was a 'New' Vulture (a convict who double-crossed the original Vulture so he could steal the flying equipment and use it escape prison), however I wasn't really a fan of it. Thankfully it seems to have only lasted 3 issues.
However, there's been so much personal life progression that Spider-Man has become less about the villians of the week and more about the development of Peter Parker. It's so refreshing to read about how someone is dealing with being a Superhero and still trying to maintain a normal life. I didn't think I'd enjoy the never ending love triangle between Parker and his many girls, but it's been a good read so far. Betty v Liz Allen, Betty v Gwen, Gwen v MJ.
That's almost the real story in Spider-Man!
But it's not just Peter Parker who has issues. You get a little insight into MJ's dreams, Flash Thompson heading off to war, Harry Osbourne being a little estranged with his father. Everyone seems to have a purpose, and a life outside of the panels. It's nice, and dare I see a little deep for a comic from the 1960s?
Fantastic Four
Whereas there were only a handful of Spider-Man stories, Fantastic Four have propped up this last 100 issues in the reading order. I also have to make a confession - I wanted to really hate Fantastic Four, as I've always had this deep rooted dislike for them and found them boring. However, after Spiderman Fantastic Four is easily the second best comic in the order right now.
I still think the actual Fantastic Four (The Thing excluded) are boring, but so much goes on in their stories that it's hard to dismiss the comics. Reed Richards has had his first (or perhaps his second) trip into the Negative Zone thanks to an attack on his lab by The Sandman (which I didn't like). He was saved by the FF with the help of the Inhumans - basically Triton swam through the Negative Zone to bring him back...
Naturally after all of that the FF decide to take a break and go on Holiday ANYWHERE in the WORLD! Well anywhere the dart is thrown on the map, and hey what do you know it lands on a nice remote island aww... where the Sentry is... that warns the Kree.
Oops.
So the FF have introduced Marvel to
- The Skrull
- Silver Surfer
- Galacticus
- The Kree
- The InHumans
Lately they've just created 'God', a being that spawned from a Cocoon who was so pure... and of course Dr. Doom. I've probably forgotten a few too. FF is insane for Galactic events. The only thing that spoils FF are the 'normal' episodes, they're so bad and often repeated - how many times can Ben Grim flip flop between wanting to be normal and love being The Thing? How many times will The Thing turn on and fight the other members of the FF? How many times does Reed Richards beat Sue off panel?
Strange Tales
This start off so poorly but by the end of it's run (which happened with this 100 issues) it was one of comic lines I really looked forward to. Nicky Fury and Dr. Strange were well written and amazingly drawn.
Avengers
Avengers is another really well written and interlinked series of comics, events carry over from one issue to the next. Not in a hugely in your face way, but just in the little details, such as Black Widow's injury. It's nice and makes things feel like they matter. The stories aren't too thrilling from what I can remember, but the group dynamic and development is really working. What's interesting is Quicksilver's slow development towards hating Homosapians, I'm really looking forward to this.
Sadly X-Men and Daredevil continue to be terrible. The sooner Daredevil stops this terrible Mike/Matt Murdock bullshit the better. It's not clever, it's silly. It's so silly, it makes me feel silly as I've spent too much time wondering if it's something more than it is (it's not). It's terrible.
The only standout issue remains the appearance by Spider-Man where Foggy dressed up as Daredevil and everyone commented how fat Daredevil had become. Foggy did this to get into a girl's pants.
Tales of Suspense is pointless at this point in time. Iron Man hasn't been up to much. Captain America had a brief run in with Red Skull, and met Agent Carter for the first time. He's now wondering about retiring his secret identity, it's a shame I don't care about this more as it is interesting.
The Hulk hasn't been up to much, but the few times he's appeared he's been one of the most human of all the characters in Marvel.
Surprisingly, according to CMRO Marvel Unlimited is missing just over 60% of the comics printed within 616!
BKatastrophe
Member
AAAAAAAHHHHH
LOOKS SO COOL!
AAAAAAAAAH
LOOKS SO COOL
You best not be talking shit about Uncanny X-Men, that's for damn sure. From #1 through to the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga is one of my favorite long-form storylines in all of comics.
Mr. Luchador
Member
I am
I'm not enjoying it at all. I've liked maybe 4 issues. The ones with Juggernaut are great, and the one where they introduced the Sentinels was fantastic too. Sadly, the rest of them are so pointless. There's no real character progression, social progression, or point. I don't know. I'm still reading them, so I look forward to them improving. Is there something I've missed? Something you'd recommend? Why do you like them?
I say trades and hardcovers are not a mistake. It's nice to collect stuff you like physically. But floppies are a mistake.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Presented without comment, from the pages of Batman Incorporated.
Freezasaurus
Member
Floppies are nothing but recycling bin fodder.
BKatastrophe
Member
This post is going to be a bit scattered, because posting something super in depth would be way more time-consuming than I'm willing to give, but I feel like we read entirely different books, because there is a lot of character progression. What Claremont set up in his long tenure with the X-Men is a lot of fundamental stuff that never really changed. He set up the Phoenix Force, made Magneto more than just some maniacal cartoon bad guy. Jean's sacrifice is a powerful emotional moment. He created the very first "Wolverine's a badass" moment when the X-Men went to the Hellfire Club. Colossus' choice to kill Proteus. These are all powerful moments. Seriously.I am
Is there something I've missed? Something you'd recommend? Why do you like them?
And to say there's no character development or progression? Most of the characters' storylines are learning about trusting other people after being heavily used and/or persecuted. Storm was a lonely street urchin who eventually came to be worshipped as a goddess, being brought in by Xavier because she realized she was living a lie. Nightcrawler tried to make a paradise out of a prison, being held as a carnival act after being chased around by pitchfork wielding villagers because he, a devout Catholic, looked like the devil. Wolverine, a savage killing tool, learns to trust and get close to people; to be human. Colossus learns that he doesn't have to hold everything on his shoulders anymore. Scott having to command a new group, and forge bonds with a new group of people, despite constantly isolating himself because he's the leader.
Like, did we read the same book? Because I'm not sure. And yeah, Claremont's dialogue is terrible and intensely dated, but from a story perspective Uncanny is awesome. There's a lot of good action as well. It's not going to be everyone's cup of tea, but I feel like the comments about not dealing with any social issues or having any character progression is just factually wrong.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
I've never liked Claremont's writing style. He over explains everything and always feels like he's talking down to the reader.
BossDarkseid
Member
Absolute Sandman due tomorrow and Bombshell Hawkgirl statue due Friday....
BKatastrophe
Member
That's a staple of the times, though. Which is why it's so hard to read his stuff now.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
"Every comic is someone's first" was the philosophy back then. Lots of older comics are written like radio dramas as a result.
*stares at Flashpoint hardcover*
yes....stuff you like....
My trade collection is starting to remind me of my cd and dvd collection in which it's full of things i probably shouldn't have bought.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Was really hoping for a Deadpool sale from CMX this week.
La Maquinon
Member
Love, love, love the old-timey comic talk. So interesting. Glad to have you guys sharing your thoughts on the thread. Continue to enjoy the ultimate universe updates, too.
I don't think I could like a Warren Ellis comic. But maybe. Might like Nextwave. But when I want lots of cursing and blood-soaked stories, I play GTA.
I hear you guys on floppies. I have hard decisions in my future, what with my closet filling with short boxes. But I worry about DRM with digital. And I worry about comic shops. I LOVE comic shops. I'd be so sad if they all closed down.
I don't think I could like a Warren Ellis comic. But maybe. Might like Nextwave. But when I want lots of cursing and blood-soaked stories, I play GTA.
I hear you guys on floppies. I have hard decisions in my future, what with my closet filling with short boxes. But I worry about DRM with digital. And I worry about comic shops. I LOVE comic shops. I'd be so sad if they all closed down.
Mr. Luchador
Member
I think we have been reading different comics, or perhaps I haven't even read the ones you're talking about as none of that stuff has happened yet. The last X-Men I read was X-Men #34
Which was written by Roy Thomas, so Claremont's work hasn't even begun yet it's only been Stan Lee and Roy Thomas writing on X-Men so far. Thankfully, it sounds like there's a lot of good stuff to come, so I look forward to it!
BKatastrophe
Member
I think we have been reading different comics, or perhaps I haven't even read the ones you're talking about as none of that stuff has happened yet. The last X-Men I read was X-Men #34
Which was written by Roy Thomas, so Claremont's work has even begun yet it's only been Stan Lee and Roy Thomas writing on X-Men so far. Thankfully, it sounds like there's a lot of good stuff to come, so I look forward to it!
Oh yeah classic X-Men is not good.
Now I feel like a dick
Poodle. Pls.This was before the cow joke. Page I was looking at when I posted:
Good, but odd.
Also as a bonus, my face when people post anime gifs:
Mr. Luchador
Member
haha no worries, man. I'm probably confusing people with the numbering I'm using. I'll try to be more specific in the future, and include a few covers.
BKatastrophe
Member
Well I was referring to Uncanny X-Men. Claremont's run starts at Giant-Sized Uncanny X-Men #1. Before that it's just X-Men.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Internet 3.0 my god.
Get it, 3.0 my god.
Anyway, ye gods, this is hideous. Who thought this was a good idea.
Get it, 3.0 my god.
Anyway, ye gods, this is hideous. Who thought this was a good idea.
The only shit arc.
Tyrant Rave
Banned
We gotta talk Boss... I looked at your profile.
I'm with you! I started reading comics with Lee/Ditko ASM so it's fun to see impressions on other early Marvel stuff.