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CONFESSIONS OF A CULTURAL ELITIST

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Dram

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CONFESSIONS OF A CULTURAL ELITIST
Win or Lose, Kerry Voters Are Smarter Than Bush Voters

NEW YORK--Democratic hand wringing is surrealy out of hand. No one is criticizing the morally incongruous Kerry for running against a war he voted for while insisting that he would have voted for it again. Party leaders have yet to consider that NAFTA, signed into law under Clinton, may have cost them high-unemployment Ohio. No, Indiana Senator Evan Bayh, darling of the "centrist" Democratic Leadership Council, blames something else: the perception "in the heartland" that Democrats are a "bicoastal cultural elite that is condescending at best and contemptuous at worst to the values that Americans hold in their daily lives."

Firstly, living in the sticks doesn't make you more American. Rural, urban or suburban--they're irrelevant. San Francisco's predominantly gay Castro district is every bit as red, white and blue as the Texas panhandle. But if militant Christianist Republicans from inland backwaters believe that secular liberal Democrats from the big coastal cities look upon them with disdain, there's a reason. We do, and all the more so after this election.

I spent my childhood in fly-over country, in a decidedly Republican town in southwest Ohio. It was a decent place to grow up, with well-funded public schools and only the occasional marauding serial killer to worry about. The only ethnic restaurant sold something called "Mandarin Chinese," Midwestese for cold noodles slathered with sugary sauce. The county had three major employers: the Air Force, Mead Paper, and National Cash Register--and NCR was constantly laying people off. Folks were nice, but depressingly closed-minded. "Well," they'd grimace when confronted with a new musical genre or fashion trend, "that's different." My suburb was racially insular, culturally bland and intellectually unstimulating. Its people were knee-jerk conformists. Faced with the prospect of spending my life underemployed, bored and soused, I did what anyone with a bit of ambition would do. I went to college in a big city and stayed there.

Mine is a common story. Every day in America, hundreds of our most talented young men and women flee the suburbs and rural communities for big cities, especially those on the West and East Coasts. Their youthful vigor fuels these metropolises--the cultural capitals of the blue states. These oases of liberal thinking--New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Boston--are homes to our best-educated people, most vibrant popular culture and most innovative and productive businesses. There are exceptions--some smart people move from cities to the countryside--but the best and brightest gravitate to places where liberalism rules.

Maps showing Kerry's blue states appended to the "United States of Canada" separated from Bush's red "Jesusland" are circulating by email. Though there is a religious component to the election results, the biggest red-blue divide is intellectual. "How can 59,054,087 people be so DUMB?" asked the headline of the Daily Mirror in Great Britain, and the underlying assumption is undeniable. By any objective standard, you had to be spectacularly stupid to support Bush.
From: OzbrithianX | Posted: 11/10/2004 6:34:27 AM | Message Detail
72 percent who cast votes for George W. Bush, according to a University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) and Knowledge Networks poll, believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or active WMD programs. 75 percent think that a Saddam-Al Qaeda link has been proven, and 20 percent say Saddam ordered 9/11. Of course, none of this was true.

Kerry voters were less than half as idiotic: 26 percent of Democrats bought into Bush-Cheney's WMD lies, and 30 percent into Saddam-Al Qaeda.

Would Bush's supporters have voted for him even if they had known he was a serial liar? Perhaps their hatred of homosexuals and slutty abortion vixens would have prompted them to make the same choice--an idiotic perversion of priorities. As things stand, they cast their ballots relying on assumptions that were demonstrably false.

Educational achievement doesn't necessarily equal intelligence. After all, Bush holds a Harvard MBA. Still, it bears noting that Democrats are better educated than Republicans. You are 25 percent more likely to hold a college degree if you live in the Democratic northeast than in the red state south. Blue state voters are 25 percent more likely, therefore, to understand the historical and cultural ramifications of Bush's brand of bull-in-a-china-shop foreign policy.

Inland Americans face a bigger challenge than coastal "cultural elitists" when it comes to finding high-quality news coverage. The best newspapers, which routinely win prizes for their in-depth local and national reporting and staffers overseas, line the coasts. So do the cable TV networks with the broadest offerings and most independent radio stations. Bush Country makes do with Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity syndicated on one cookie-cutter AM outlet after another. Citizens of the blue states read lackluster dailies stuffed with generic stories cut and pasted from wire services. Given their dismal access to high-quality media, it's a minor miracle that 40 percent of Mississippians turned out for Kerry.

So our guy lost the election. Why shouldn't those of us on the coasts feel superior? We eat better, travel more, dress better, watch cooler movies, earn better salaries, meet more interesting people, listen to better music and know more about what's going on in the world. If you voted for Bush, we accept that we have to share the country with you. We're adjusting to the possibility that there may be more of you than there are of us. But don't demand our respect. You lost it on November 2.

COPYRIGHT 2004 TED RALL

RALL 11/9/04
 

Socreges

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If he had tempered that somewhat, it would have been a great piece, if not redundant. I mean, it's as clear as day.

No one is criticizing the morally incongruous Kerry for running against a war he voted for while insisting that he would have voted for it again.
For the last time, he wasn't inconsistent. But I don't think GAF needs an explanation here.
 

MetatronM

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Tommie Hu$tle said:
I think what these blue staters are forgetting is that there were signifigant pockets of blue in some of these states.
And TONS of red in the blue states. Just go look at what New York, Pennsylvania, and Illinois look like when you look at red counties vs. blue counties.
 

Socreges

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MetatronM said:
And TONS of red in the blue states. Just go look at what New York, Pennsylvania, and Illinois look like when you look at red counties vs. blue counties.
Besides that, he puts more significance in URBAN vs SUBURBAN.
 
If you look at popular vote, there's considerabel red in blue, and blue in red-- what's the point of that observation, anyway? All of his arguments are based on trend, and (assuming his facts are correct) the argument holds up.
 

Minotauro

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Wow, the ad hominem attacks certainly got off to a quick start.

Please, someone refute something he actually said.
 
There's an interesting point here, about the "best and the brightest" moving to urban areas that are often heavily "blue". The people that small towns need the most don't often stay in small towns. They go to college and then go to the city to find a job that requires their advanced skillset.

There's a bigger dialogue to be had in our country, and that is the rapid depopulation of small towns in rural America. It is an issue that is best addressed through "blue" policies, but one that has to be sold to the "reddest" of areas.

The rest of the article is a rant. An interesting one, but nothing worthy of publish by any means.
 
Fragamemnon said:
There's an interesting point here, about the "best and the brightest" moving to urban areas that are often heavily "blue". The people that small towns need the most don't often stay in small towns. They go to college and then go to the city to find a job that requires their advanced skillset.

There's a bigger dialogue to be had in our country, and that is the rapid depopulation of small towns in rural America. It is an issue that is best addressed through "blue" policies, but one that has to be sold to the "reddest" of areas.

This is very true. I moved from Indiana recently, which is solidly republican, to a pretty large and liberal city myself. A lot of my friends have done the same or are considering it. I don't think any of my good friends are going to stay in Indiana for very much longer. Since last election Indiana has lost an electoral vote.
 

Xenon

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Wow, the ad hominem attacks certainly got off to a quick start.

Wow an ad hominem attack on an ad hominem attack... I feel like I'm looking into two opposing mirrors


Please, someone refute something he actually said.

Easily, and I can do it with only one word..... minorities.
 

Minotauro

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Xenon said:
Wow an ad hominem attack on an ad hominem attack... I feel like I'm looking into two opposing mirrors

Using your reasoning, please give me a situation where someone can call an argument ad hominem without actually committing the same mistake?

Easily, and I can do it with only one word..... minorities.

Okay, I think you're going to need a few more words.
 
And this is why we lost. :(

The notion of a pervasive leftist elitism is poorly documented and academically unsubstantiated. It's entirely the construct of the American right-wing, who have created it by commenting and echoing isolated instances of elitism that they've created the meme of a 'coastal liberal elite' without it really existing in any significant size.

Don't buy into the spin. There are some honest-and potentially dishonest-reasons why Democrats did poorly, but liberals thinking they are better than eveyrone else wasn't one of them.
 
As Jon Stewart (of The Liberal Show with Jon Liberalson, as someone here called it) said a few days ago, "What's more elite than thinking you're the only ones who get to go to heaven?"
 

Alcibiades

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wow, I hope Hannity saves this up and reads it to his audience for the mid-term elections in '06, I know some people with this kind of attitude in HS/College, bothered the sh*t out of practically everyone nobody cares if you're a smarty-pants bookworm that knows big words...

I know some really, really smart geniuses (a good friend of mine actually) that while I don't know what they think on the inside, don't get off on their high IQ's dissing others, while I know some that are really dedicated bookworms that are probably just a tad higher than normal that go on and on like they're some god or something...
 

Alcibiades

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JoshuaJSlone said:
As Jon Stewart (of The Liberal Show with Jon Liberalson, as someone here called it) said a few days ago, "What's more elite than thinking you're the only ones who get to go to heaven?"
not all Catholics (inlcuding O'Reilly) believe this... some Catholic scholars concede that not worshipping Jesus does not mean, for them, that someone is destined for hell...

The "Christian Right" is only 30% of the Republican base anyway...

If Bush can keep scrapping off Hispanics (who as Catholics share his values but aren't fanatics) and married women, the Christian Right may become less relevant for '06...
 

Alcibiades

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Fragamemnon said:
The notion of a pervasive leftist elitism is poorly documented and academically unsubstantiated. It's entirely the construct of the American right-wing, who have created it by commenting and echoing isolated instances of elitism that they've created the meme of a 'coastal liberal elite' without it really existing in any significant size.

Don't buy into the spin. There are some honest-and potentially dishonest-reasons why Democrats did poorly, but liberals thinking they are better than eveyrone else wasn't one of them.
lmao, if you listen to right-wing radio they just go on and on imitating Democrats by using a condescending voice and then saying stuff like (as Kerry) "why, let me explain, as a sophisticated thinker, I must explain the nuansce of my position, it may be hard for you to understand as unsophisticated types..."

hilarious when Rush or Hannity start doing that, and I'm sure the audience eats it up and probably helped mobilize Bush voters this year...
 
Actually in Bush's evagenical faith, Catholics are also going to hell.

You can read up on his "faith" here:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/

Catholics generally tend to be more "liberal" (not speaking in terms of politically affiliation neccessarily but their views on religion), it's the evangenical's that tend to be the nutcases, IMO.

The Vatican wasn't crazy about either candidate, but at this point they should probably be more worried about keeping their clergy away from young boys :lol

Bush can't appease the Latin community too much though, it'll start to upset his "red state" base who complain "those illegal Mexicans are taking my job at the Walls Mart!".
 

Dilbert

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efralope said:
lmao, if you listen to right-wing radio they just go on and on imitating Democrats by using a condescending voice and then saying stuff like (as Kerry) "why, let me explain, as a sophisticated thinker, I must explain the nuansce of my position, it may be hard for you to understand as unsophisticated types..."

hilarious when Rush or Hannity start doing that, and I'm sure the audience eats it up and probably helped mobilize Bush voters this year...
Reveling in your own stupidity should never be confused with virtue.
 

Xenon

Member
Okay, I think you're going to need a few more word


Ok, this guys main point is that since educated people are drawn to urban areas(where the higher paying jobs are), and a large majority of votes in those area are for Kerry, it means that Kerry is the choice of the educated voter. But this totally ignores the large minority population in these same areas who always vote by a large majority for Democrats. If you take the minority vote out of the equation things would be a lot closer.

It’s a baseless argument by frustrated people who can’t accept that they lost.
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Given their dismal access to high-quality media, it's a minor miracle that 40 percent of Mississippians turned out for Kerry.

I'm part of a miracle! Although I think my DirectTV satuhlight here in poor 'ol Missississippi gets the same fancy channels them rich Yankee boys is watchin'.
 

Alcibiades

Member
Guileless said:
I'm part of a miracle! Although I think my DirectTV satuhlight here in poor 'ol Missississippi gets the same fancy channels them rich Yankee boys is watchin'.
isn't Mississippi like 1/3 or more Black, a group that's voted heavily Democratic since FDR?
 
Given their dismal access to high-quality media, it's a minor miracle that 40 percent of Mississippians turned out for Kerry.
@_@ It wasn't until reading this that I truly realized how deep in I am. Indiana: redder than Mississippi.
 
efralope said:
isn't Mississippi like 1/3 or more Black, a group that's voted heavily Democratic since FDR?
According to the exit polls at CNN:


White (65%): 85 Bush, 14 Kerry
African-American (34%): 10 Bush, 90 Kerry
 
I'm better read, better educated, better informed, and have far more experience with people of other cultures and lifestyles than a good percentage of this country.

Why on EARTH should I have to "tone down" what appears to be complete common sense to me so that those who are poorly read, poorly educated, poorly informed, and have almost no real life experience don't feel "stupid"?

BOGGLE.
 
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