Confirmed: Libby Indicted

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I. Lewis Libby, Chief of Staff for the Vice President of the United States, has been indicted by a federal grand jury on two charges of perjury, one count of obstruction of justice and two counts of making false statements, for a total of five. Each charge would carry a fine, five years in jail per charge or both if a conviction takes place.
 
distantmantra said:
Any word on Rove? Is Fitzgerald still looking at him, or did he get off scott-free?
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Rumor had it that Rove was plea-bargining. He's still not out of trouble by any means, but he may get off relatively light.

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PDF of the Libby indictment.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/pdf/libbyidict.pdf

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1259935
The investigation into who leaked the name of a covert CIA agent is not over, even after Friday's indictment of White House official Lewis Libby, special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald said.

"Is the investigation finished? It's not over," Fitzgerald said at a news conference. "But … very rarely do you bring a charge in a case that's going to be tried in which you ever end a grand jury investigation. I can tell you that the substantial bulk of the work of this investigation is concluded."
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Drinky Crow said:
Can they get him frogmarched out of the White House just for effect?

Please please PLEASE let there be an eventual Rove indictment.
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As I understand it, the investigation is not over. Don't hold me to it, I haven't checked in several hours.

Edit: the investigation is not over, and you should bet that Rove is a target of the continued investigation.

The New York Times said:
Though Mr. Rove was spared indictment today, he remains under a cloud and may possibly be a political liability as Mr. Bush tries to push ahead with his second-term agenda. Mr. Rove will remain under the scrutiny of Mr. Fitzgerald, who said the "substantial work" of the grand jury was concluded, but added "it's not over." He said, "We could use any other grand jury or avail another grand jury. We couldn't use the grand jury that expired today."
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/28/p...a69a4ed8399&hp&ex=1130558400&partner=homepage
 
Rove can still be indicted, but not today. The investigation isn't finished yet.

Oh, and hooray! :D I feel kind of guilty celebrating about someone else's misfortune...but considering how much damage he and his administration have done to this country, I would say it's justified.
 
i just don't understand what the fuck libby was thinking concocting that ridiculous story of his. did he really think the prosecutor would go "OK!" and wrap it up? jesus... :lol
 
kablooey said:
I feel kind of guilty celebrating about someone else's misfortune...
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Isn't it entirely self-inflicted though? He's in trouble for trying to cover-up (spread disinfo about) his involvement in something that apparently wasn't a crime. I wouldn't call that an effect of "fortune," though I wouldn't call it cause for celebration either.

I'm... nonplussed: my intuition though (I've only read the indictment and a handful of reactions, but remove Libby from the following and it's pretty much the same impression I've had for months now) is that Rove & Libby really felt they had stepped in it, and were trying their damnedest to pollute the well enough to make intentional "outing" look doubtful; and while both made statements which were inconsistent with other testimony, Rove was probably a lot more specific and careful with his words than Libby--at least, enough to make it plausible that Rove was just wrong in his errors and not intentionally trying to deceive.
 
Although I am an unrepentant quasi-socialist progressive, Raw Story is a lousy site and posts loads of unverifiable crap. They're the Powerline of liberal news sites. Good for liberal porn; bad for making arguments.
 
interesting. but like drinky said, raw story seems to be a tool of some republican lawyers intent on stoking the flames in a liberals heart, then.... nothing.
 
COULTER: And as for Rove and Libby, I don't know. I don't understand why that would have any effect on the White House. He doesn't need Rove anymore. I feel sorry for Rove personally -- I don't know what's going to happen. If he is indicted, I feel for him personally. It has nothing to do with Bush and the Republican Party. He doesn't need Rove again, and I never heard of Scooter Libby until 10 minutes ago.

GIBSON: What about DeLay? His picture is on the screen, as well.

COULTER: I think that is not going to inure to the Democrats' benefit, to be having this obviously political prosecution of a political enemy. No, that just shows them to be the fascists that they are.

[...]

COULTER: And by the way [Bush], if he sends up someone that we have been clamoring for, the deep bench of right-wing --

GIBSON: Some names?

COULTER: Well, my favorite, Janice Rogers Brown.

GIBSON: Why is she your favorite?

COULTER: She has a well thought-out, conservative judicial philosophy. She is eminently qualified. And most importantly -- not most importantly, but importantly -- she is a black woman, and that will drive the Democrats so crazy, we might not even be able to execute them in Texas, which is a darn shame.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol
 
What's sad about this is that this indictment could have happened a year ago if Judy "I Was Proved Fucking Right"/"Queen of All Iraq" Miller been more forthcoming. Which would likely have swung the election in Kerry's favor. *sigh*
 
if kerry had anything resembling an effective campaign team, they wouldn't have needed an indictment 5 days before the election to swing the vote.
 
Libby will get what's coming to him, but Rove, Cheney and Bush can sleep tight. I really doubt anything major will happen to them. Libby is taking the bullet for them.
 
I ran home from Toys R Us in Times Square with the wife and kids just to see the press conference and it was worth it just to hear Fitzgerald say "That talking point won't fly here" when asked, essentially, if this was a meaningless, petty, indictment. Fucking awesome.

Full quote:
My Hero Fitzgerald said:
That talking point won't fly. If you're doing a national security investigation, if you're trying to find out who compromised the identity of a CIA officer and you go before a grand jury and if the charges are proven -- because remember there's a presumption of innocence -- but if it is proven that the chief of staff to the vice president went before a federal grand jury and lied under oath repeatedly and fabricated a story about how he learned this information, how he passed it on, and we prove obstruction of justice, perjury and false statements to the FBI, that is a very, very serious matter.
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Talk Radio overall is still somehow blaming this on liberals, according to an overview of their take on the matter from MSNBC. I wouldn't be surprised if their analysis is quite accurate. Talk Radio is even more insane than the O'Reilly Factor and Hannity.
 
Diablos said:
Talk Radio overall is still somehow blaming this on liberals, according to an overview of their take on the matter from MSNBC. I wouldn't be surprised if their analysis is quite accurate. Talk Radio is even more insane than the O'Reilly Factor and Hannity.
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Ah, the game, the game. My response to them would be WHO THE FUCK CARES.
 
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Tom Davis (R-VA):

“[I’m] very disappointed in Libby, and the White House, and the vice president and the president. They should have taken care of this a long time ago. They should have done their own investigation. They’re going to get very little sympathy on Capitol Hill, at least from me…They brought this on themselves.”
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Bitch Queen said:
COULTER: She has a well thought-out, conservative judicial philosophy. She is eminently qualified. And most importantly -- not most importantly, but importantly -- she is a black woman, and that will drive the Democrats so crazy, we might not even be able to execute them in Texas, which is a darn shame.
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:lol I'm sorry, the woman is a total bitch, but :lol
 
btw, rove isn't fitzgerald's first ever "official A". ask former governor of illinois george ryan how he felt about being an "official A" in one of fitzgerald's investigation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ryan

Ryan's term in office was marked by a scandal involving the illegal sale of government licenses, contracts and leases by state employees during his prior service as Secretary of State; in the wake of numerous convictions of former aides, he chose not to run for reelection in 2002. In December 2003 he was indicted on 18 federal racketeering, fraud and conspiracy charges. His trial got underway in September, 2005.
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Lying Libby said:
"So then he said - I said - he said, sorry - he said, Mr. Russert said, did you know that Ambassador Wilson's wife, or his wife, works at the CIA?" - Lewis Libby testifying before the grand jury
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:lol Way to not crack under pressure, Scooter. I'm sure at you're trial everyone will agree with you and throw everything on Tim Russert's lap. :lol
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"Betchu wish you could drop the S now, huh, Meester Guvment??"
 
is that quote for real? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol i envision the prosecutor raising his eyebrow thinking, "oh boy, we got a live one!!" :lol
 
What's funny is that Libby is going for the "Memory" defense:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9860621/

But judging by the statements you guys quoted, he outright fabricated stories. If you forget something, you don't go around making up stories... Also, I watched some interviews and many people who know Libby first-hand, say he's a very detailed oriented person. Forgetting such a huge detail like where he found out about Wilson's Wife, (especially since he actively went around telling reporters) would be highly uncharacteristic of him.

They'll have a tough time proving the "memory loss" defense in court.
 
Diablos said:
Libby will get what's coming to him, but Rove, Cheney and Bush can sleep tight. I really doubt anything major will happen to them. Libby is taking the bullet for them.
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Different administration, same crap. Blech.
 
Incognito said:
if kerry had anything resembling an effective campaign team, they wouldn't have needed an indictment 5 days before the election to swing the vote.
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But then you could flip it around and argue that the Bush team holds even greater fault for the election because of prior intent. Kind of like the difference between homicide and involuntary manslaughter. :)
 
Threats have been made against the CIA operative whose unmasking is at the heart of the political scandal rocking President George W Bush's presidency, her husband said yesterday.

Joseph Wilson, a former American diplomat, said there had been "specific threats " against his wife Valerie Plame and that the couple had talked with "several agencies" about extra security to protect her.

In a television interview to be broadcast tonight, Mr Wilson would not discuss who might be behind the threats. Ms Plame's cover was blown two years ago after her husband wrote accusing Mr Bush of misleading the world over the reasons for going to war in Iraq. Britain's Telegraph.
 
Lo-Volt said:
Threats have been made against the CIA operative whose unmasking is at the heart of the political scandal rocking President George W Bush's presidency, her husband said yesterday.

Joseph Wilson, a former American diplomat, said there had been "specific threats " against his wife Valerie Plame and that the couple had talked with "several agencies" about extra security to protect her.

In a television interview to be broadcast tonight, Mr Wilson would not discuss who might be behind the threats. Ms Plame's cover was blown two years ago after her husband wrote accusing Mr Bush of misleading the world over the reasons for going to war in Iraq. Britain's Telegraph.
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