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[Instigator]

I was thinking about this if there's anyone from either side of the political spectrum (and I'm not talking about moderates) whose views are well-known and publicised, yet doesn't alienate the other side. And in fact, you could even say they are loved by both sides, for different reasons perhaps, but loved nonetheless.

The crazy Dutch filmmaker Paul Verhoeven comes to mind, with his movies Robocop and Starship Troopers in particular. He creates movies that are clearly mocking right-wing ideals and policies, but male conservative audiences (with a bit of a bloodlust) love it for the gore and even for the satire.

I was thinking of John McCain too, but I think the right doesn't like him all that much.

 

[Optimistic]

 

[Macam]

Fuck Schwarzenegger.

 

[Instigator]

Since jumping in the political arena, I think Arnold is antagonizing people now.

I think this is the fine line. If a celebrity made movies with a slight left-wing flavor, that's one thing, but if they start speaking out, do rallies or just do things seen as purely political, that's where they antogonize.

 

[Excess Poo Flakes]

Barry Goldwater, at least in Arizona. \m/

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Arnold is far too moderate to be considered for the topic.

 

[argon]

Schwarzennegger is hated because he actually speaks his mind half the time. The other half of the time is dedicated to backpedaling when those comments get him into trouble. Add to that a hostile, inept legislature and vocal opposition from the crooked unions and you have a publicity problem.

Basically, people want corrupt, patronizing, politically correct softies as their leaders and they really won't accept anyone else.

 

[typhonsentra]

Seth Macfarlane and Matt Groening.

 

[VALIS]

Bruce Springsteen (a leftie, but generally much loved by the righties, often because of misinterpretation of his lyrics)

 

[Ruzbeh]

Bruce Springsteen (a leftie, but generally much loved by the righties, often because of misinterpretation of his lyrics)

Or because of the song 'Born in the USA' ?

 

[Ulairi]

I haven't seen the movie Starship Troopers, but the book does not mock the right wing.

 

[VALIS]

Or because of the song 'Born in the USA' ?

Yep. Often played by people during "flag waving" moments, the song is anything but.

Born down in a dead man's town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
Till you spend half your life just covering up

Born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.

Got in a little hometown jam
So they put a rifle in my hand
Sent me off to a foreign land
To go and kill the yellow man

Born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.

Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man says "Son if it was up to me"
Went down to see my V.A. man
He said "Son, don't you understand"

I had a brother at Khe Sahn fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there, he's all gone

He had a woman he loved in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms now

Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
I'm ten years burning down the road
Nowhere to run ain't got nowhere to go

Born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
I'm a long gone Daddy in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
I'm a cool rocking Daddy in the U.S.A.

 

[Instigator]

I haven't seen the movie Starship Troopers, but the book does not mock the right wing.

Of course it doesn't, but the movie is a caricature of the book. The people who hate the movie are usually die-hard fans of the book.

 

[sans_pants]

Seth Macfarlane and Matt Groening.

liking family guy and liking seth macfarlane are two different things

 

[Der Kommisar]

Fuck Schwarzenegger.

Hey now, lets not say things we can't take back.

 

[Ruzbeh]

Yep. Often played by people during "flag waving" moments, the song is anything but.

Wtf :lol I had no idea the song was like that. I've listened to it plenty of times. I thought it was pretty nice or something. But, damn, those lyrics are blazin'. Bruce Springsteen <3.

 

[fennec fox]

PJ O'Rourke

 

[Diablos]

Fuck Schwarzenegger.

GIRLY MAN

 

[typhonsentra]

liking family guy and liking seth macfarlane are two different things

How so? I mean, I know he's a liberal guy, but I still like him a whole lot for creating such a fantastic show even though I'm pretty conservative.

He seems like a good guy from his interviews too.

 

[demon]

Liberals love him, conservatives love to hate him!

 

[Drinky Crow]

Yeah, PJ O'Rourke. He's the only conservative without a self-aggrandizing sense of humor. Even when I disagree with him, I appreciate his opinions and what he brings to the larger dialogue.

 

[Lardbutt]

How about Arlen Specter? He's a Republican senator but vehemently pro-abortion.

 

[djtiesto]

Fuck Schwarzenegger.

His pops was a Nazi!

 

[belgurdo]

Wtf :lol I had no idea the song was like that. I've listened to it plenty of times. I thought it was pretty nice or something. But, damn, those lyrics are blazin'. Bruce Springsteen <3.

The only thing they play at parties/commercials is the chorus, kind of like how they play stuff like Ramones songs and Baby Got Back with choice words selected to pitch cars and Pepsi nowadays

 

[Prospero]

Many people who've read novels by Mark Helprin (Winter's Tale; A Soldier of the Great War; Memoir from Antproof Case) are shocked to find that he worked for the Dole campaign in 1996 as an advisor and speechwriter. He has a column in the Wall Street Journal, too.