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Continuing Decline in Computer Science Graduates Expected

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RevenantKioku

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fennec fox said:
What's that?
I know RIT (my school), Rose Hulman, and U of I have a program where each year they send a few students who study Japanese to Kanazawa Institute of Technology. I went last year summer and had a blast.
 

Gantz

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Tazznum1 said:
The problem was in the beginning with salaries too damn high. Then everyone ran over there to be an "IT" person.


Too much of anything is not a good thing. And before anyone jumps up and down about the money was on par with the job, just look around at how many people easily became one.

Yup, too many fucktards in the industry right now.
 

Bishman

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rastex said:
The gamebiz enjoys the ability to have very little need for outsourcing since the workers already work crazy hours for lower than average pay. Plus, the nature of game programming is that you NEED to have people around to solve problems, it's a collaborative effort, and I've worked with offshore people and it SUCKS. With gamedev you need almost instant turn around times, and when dealing with outsourced people there's only a 2-hour window that the workdays cross where communication can be done efficiently, but other than that it's like a 24-hour turnaround time.

There are of course parts of gamedev that can be outsourced like FMVs and title screens and that type of thing that's not really part of the core game. But in terms of the core game, it's very tough to outsource and right now, isn't really worth the effort. Of course that's me talking with my J-1 VISA.

Ok, that is good. But you still didn't answer me question. What degree would be the best to get in the gaming biz? Something that is marketable if I one is not able to get in the biz.
 
It is tough. I just earned an intern position at Mitchell International, but during my Monster searches I've seen few entry-level programming positions available. Most were software tester positions posted by temp companies.
 

fennec fox

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RevenantKioku said:
I know RIT (my school), Rose Hulman, and U of I have a program where each year they send a few students who study Japanese to Kanazawa Institute of Technology. I went last year summer and had a blast.
 Oh yeah? I spent a year at Chuo Univ. in Tokyo, in a program that I don't think is around anymore. It ended up being a glorified year off of college, which did wonders for my Japanese speaking ability.
 

RevenantKioku

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fennec fox said:
?Oh yeah? I spent a year at Chuo Univ. in Tokyo, in a program that I don't think is around anymore. It ended up being a glorified year off of college, which did wonders for my Japanese speaking ability.

Gah, I wish I had the chance for something of that extent. The six weeks barely whet my appetite for the language.
 

djtiesto

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I graduated with a CS bachelor's in 2003, from a decent state school, probably the worst year ever for a CS grad. Must've taken the train ride into the city like 3 times a week to interview (at like nearly every major financial/business place you can think of - Reuters, Bear Sterns, UBS, etc), before finally scoring a web development job at my old summer work place. Though it was a small company and I got a better offer after some experience and having connections.

If you want a job with a CS degree, it's all in who you know. Ask your parents or your uncles, relatives, neighbors... they always know some place which is hiring (and will gladly bring in a resume) It also helps to be a well-rounded individual - I have decent English and art skills, which was pretty helpful for a web development position. And try to show a little bit of passion for what you're doing, be personable... mindless drones are the first people to get outsourced.

Right now, *THE* market to get into (if you're CS or engineering) is defense. All the major defense companies have been hiring, and they all have good new grad programs. With the baby boomers retiring, many different companies want to hire young, fresh out of college, people and hope they stay there. I'm making more than I ever dreamed I'd be making one year after graduation, doing software engineering for a major defense company. And it's really cool - we actually got to play Ace Combat 5 one day in our big theater of operations (several of our products being featured in the game). Not only that, but the real big companies give you great benefits (I get a 401k matched up to 8%, pension, health/dental/vision, 2+ weeks of vacation a year, mandatory winter vacation (just like in high school!), plus I'm getting reimbursed for a master's degree) And the best thing is... when you get a clearance, you NEVER need to worry about being outsourced!
 
IMO Requirements is where it's act. Being able to find out what people want and then telling the programmers what they need to do is where people need that face to face contact.
 
Bishman said:
Ok, Computer Science degree is f'ing useless. What am I suppose to do if I want to get in the gaming biz? No CS degree or IT or Software Engineering... sigh. This sucks.

What degree(s) should I get to do something with computers or get into the gaming biz?

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/jobs_display.php
Take a look... people cant throw your resume away fast enough unless you've got some smarts. And one source of said smarts is a CS degree... and unless you've been in the industry 3+ years it's one of the few things of relevance that people can credit you with.

dont be so quick to dis CS.
 
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