negreenfield
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You can blame me Argentina fans. I am now 100% on picking losing teams to root for. All Atlanta, Georgia Tech, USA, OKC during this recent NBA playoffs and now Argentina. Ugh. I think I need to quit watching sports.
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Copa América Centenario |OT| featuring Messi, James, Suárez and $110 mil in bribes
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HAHAHAHAH OMG
GTP_Daverytimes
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I wonder if this tournament will bump them up in Fifa ranking, maybe number 2?
Hasphat'sAnts
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Probably better than when Maradona got expelled from 1994 World Cup.
Man, I say this as a Madridista, but what made those teams unstoppable were Xavi and Iniesta.
Neither Barcelona nor Spain have been as dominant since Xavi declined and left. He was the master behind all of that in my mind.
Messi is a once in a generation talent and one of the greatest of all times, but the dearth of titles with the national team will always be a black mark against him.
This is a team with guys like DiMaria, Higuain, Aguero, Messi, Mascherano, etc. It's not some second tier roster.
ShaoranWright
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Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
This post sounds just like the ones from a year ago and the ones from two years ago.
sergioalb64
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Unknown Soldier
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Ah shit they had to sneak in that shitty Sprint Beckham ad in one last time, fuck Sprint
With the same strikers too.
I wonder if there's a pattern...
...NAH. Start Higuain again!
Stuff happens...no man is infallible. Messi has done things in the game no man has ever done. Cruyff never won a World Cup and I put him above Maradonna. If the greatest is defined purely by World Cups and international trophies, then Pele surely is the best of all time.
But it's all opinions really because Maradonna or Pele never played in the modern game. The comparisons are impossible. Messi skill and ability has been demonstrated beautifully and his numerous achievements on the field in my opinion are the greatest I have seen.
Fact of the matter is Argentina collectively have been poor given the talent pool, Messi has carried them through many games...but no man can do it alone, for the most part.
Argentina could easily have won this game with Messi performing at the exact same level in defeat...his legacy would have been the same to anyone who understands the modern game.
Alex_Mexico
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Wait, past Copa America weren't televised in the US in English? Does Fox even hold the rights for the next Copa?
Will we go back to 10 CONMEBOL teams + 2 invitees?
Will we really have to go back to playing Gold Cups every two years?
Yeah it's going to suck going back to the old format after this one.
I'm sure the people who prefer the old one are a very small minority but FIFA don't care.
Regulus Tera
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I mean
at least Lebron James got a title for his home state
at least Lebron James got a title for his home state
Hasphat'sAnts
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Maradona's among one of the five greatest players ever. You can make the Messi Maradona argument in good faith, but to say that Messi can't be greater than Maradona without a world cup title is not that.
Strikers have been disastrous under pressure, but there are more enough replacements for the team and young to boot.
The question is who is going to coach Arg now. As disastrous as Martino is, i can't think of a good coach that would abandon his current team. It'll be just another bastard with no plan.
The question is who is going to coach Arg now. As disastrous as Martino is, i can't think of a good coach that would abandon his current team. It'll be just another bastard with no plan.
Corronchilejano
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I don't think I can go back to the old Copa America. This is too good.
A Pitbull show is obviously more important that let the team celebrate his win
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uncredited male
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Catch Gold Cup fever everyone! It's like dysentery but probably won't kill you.
If the checks clear this tourney will be back. Probably squeezed into the same place it is this cycle. The other tourneys will remain.
If the checks clear this tourney will be back. Probably squeezed into the same place it is this cycle. The other tourneys will remain.
Argentina and Cruz Azul, separated at birth.
Y ni que decir que Argentina la cruzazuleo...
Alex_Mexico
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Seriously.
Plus having it being played in the same year as the Eurocup makes for a pretty exciting football filled summer. I'd say fuck playing in 2019. Make a Copa ActuallyAmerica in 2020 in Brazil with 16 teams.
I'd like to think that after this Copa (I'm sure the most successful of all time by a mile) these conversations are going to be had within CONCACAF and CONMEBOL.
As far as I know merging this Copa is the confeds decision. Not FIFA's.
Regulus Tera
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Agreed. Cruyff never won it, granted he only played in one WC, but he and the Dutch team certainly left a lasting impression on the game. To be frank Argentina has been rather boring given the amount of attacking talent they have had since Messi first broke into the scene.
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Bring back Sabella man. At least when the team lost it wasn't his fault and he understood how to manage the team.
He wouldn't have put an injured Di Maria in the field, what kind of decision was that?
Grover Cleveland
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The 2011 Copa was on Univision (and streamed on YT in English if I remember correctly) in the US
2015 was BeIN Sports in the US
As far as I know, Fox only had the rights to Copa Centanario and the hosting rights to the 2019 Copa in the US haven't been decided yet.
Honestly, i think Messi is the best eva, but im glad he lost by choking up a penalty, his supporters are so annoying, like man one would think they would learn after watching him fail over and over again with Argentina but probably next time he scores a normal goal against a below average team they are gonna act like we just witnessed the second coming of christ.
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It won't stop hurting. The first places I've lost. The shots I've missed. You feel it too, don't you?
Unknown Soldier
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Yeah confederations are in charge of organizing their tournaments. The only thing the confeds really have to do is decide who they send to play in the FIFA-organized World Cup every 4 years.
I'm sure after the huge success of Centenario that CONMEBOL and CONCACAF will seriously consider holding the Copa Panamerica every 4 years from this point forward. They're leaving ungodly sums of money on the table otherwise and we all know international football/soccer is powered by the money engine.
They still need to get someone to have domestic English broadcast rights for the regular Copa America though, I tried to watch it on Telemundo once and cannot into Espanol made it an impossible quest for me.
Alex_Mexico
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BeIN Sports? Do people watch that channel? If ESPN is A-tier and Fox Sports is B-tier would you say BeIN is up there with Fox or lower? First time I hear about that channel.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Michel Platini never won it either. Neither did Paolo Maldini, ditto for the incomparable Zico and Socrates.
Their brilliance never questioned. Their legacies always secure. Yet somehow it's only Messi who's judged solely by a tournament that happens every 4 years.
Regulus Tera
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I just realised Mascherano played in five of those finals.
Maybe you guys are blaming the wrong player.
CMojicaAce
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WE WILL BE SUPERSTARS
That's because none of them live under Maradona's shadow.
Oh. Yet another person underrating Iniesta ;( he's been every bit of good and important as Messi for Barcelona.
And btw what im saying goes for Ronaldo as well. Im of the opinion that Spanish super teams have skewed things too muc this past decade. They're certainly historically great players but I don't think they're that much better than for example Zidane or Brazil Ronaldo individually, but look better smashing la liga. Likewise I don't think Suarez now is better than what he was in Liverpool but looks better by virtue of being in Barcelona.
Grover Cleveland
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BeIN is a solid D-tier channel in terms of broadcast quality.
But they have rights to half of the European leagues (Ligue 1, Serie A, La Liga) in the US so...
PeskyToaster
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That hurts. It's still wonderful to watch Messi play. Even my family who barely has seen a single match was like who is that dude because he's working magic with the ball.
NeOak
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10/10
Messi is very good but his lack of win with his national team stops him from being the best ever
The Chosen One
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Congrats Chile.
Btw, Maradonna missed a crucial penalty kick in the 1990 quarterfinals, but the keeper bailed their team out. Baggio missed a penalty to lose the World Cup final in '94.
No one is immune to missing penalty kicks, not even the very best. Argentina had their chances during regular time but Higuain and Aguaro missed sitters.
Btw, Maradonna missed a crucial penalty kick in the 1990 quarterfinals, but the keeper bailed their team out. Baggio missed a penalty to lose the World Cup final in '94.
No one is immune to missing penalty kicks, not even the very best. Argentina had their chances during regular time but Higuain and Aguaro missed sitters.
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