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Cost per inmate at Guantanamo Bay: $900,000

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - It's been dubbed the most expensive prison on Earth and President Barack Obama cited the cost this week as one of many reasons to shut down the detention center at Guantanamo Bay, which burns through some $900,000 per prisoner annually.

The Pentagon estimates it spends about $150 million each year to operate the prison and military court system at the U.S. Naval Base in Cuba, which was set up 11 years ago to house foreign terrorism suspects. With 166 inmates currently in custody, that amounts to an annual cost of $903,614 per prisoner.

By comparison, super-maximum security prisons in the United States spend about $60,000 to $70,000 at most to house their inmates, analysts say. And the average cost across all federal prisons is about $30,000, they say.

The high cost was just one reason Obama cited when he returned this week to an unfulfilled promise to close the prison and said he would try again. Obama also said that the prison, set up under his Republican predecessor George W. Bush and long the target of criticism by rights groups and foreign governments, is a stain on the reputation of the United States.

"It's extremely inefficient," said Ken Gude, chief of staff and vice president at the liberal Center for American Progress think tank, who has followed developments at Guantanamo Bay since 2005.

"That ... may be what finally gets us to actually close the prison. I mean the costs are astronomical, when you compare them to what it would cost to detain somebody in the United States," Gude said.

The cost argument could be a potent weapon at a time of running budget battles between Obama and the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, and of across-the-board federal spending cuts that kicked in in March. The "sequestration" as it is known, is due to cut some $109 billion in spending up to the end of September and has cut government services small and large.

Just one inmate from Guantanamo, for example, is equivalent to the cost of 12 weeks of White House tours for the public - a treasured tradition that the Secret Service says costs $74,000 a week and that has been axed under sequestration.

A single inmate is also the equivalent of keeping open the control tower at the Northwest Arkansas Regional Airport for 45 months. That control tower, another victim of cuts, costs $20,000 per month to run.

The $900,000 also matches the funding for nearly seven states to help serve home delivered meals to the elderly. Sequestration has cost Meals on Wheels a median shortfall of $129,497 per state, the organization says.

Or measured in terms of military spending and national security, the cost of four inmates represents the cost of training an Air Force fighter pilot - based on the Department of Defense's figure of $3.6 million per pilot.

WHY THE HUGE COST?

The huge cost of running the prison and judicial complex stem from its offshore location at a 45-square-mile U.S. Naval Base on the southeastern coast of Cuba. Because ties between the two countries are almost nonexistent, almost everything for the facilities has to be ferried in from outside.

When the military tribunals are in session, everyone from judges and lawyers to observers and media have to fly into Guantanamo on military aircraft. Food, construction materials and other goods are shipped in from outside, experts say.

But despite the high cost of the camp, and despite the fact that Republicans traditionally demand belt-tightening by the federal government, a Republican aide with the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee said there was little point in asking if the price was worth it because "there isn't an alternative at the moment."

"No one has any particular affection for Guantanamo Bay, but no one has come up with a practical solution that's better," the aide said.

Obama needs to produce a plan for what to do with the detainees at Guantanamo "who are too dangerous to release," Representative Buck McKeon, the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said in an opinion piece in USA Today this week. "Until a better solution is offered, at Guantanamo they must stay," he wrote.

Among current inmates, nine have been charged with crimes or convicted, 24 are considered eligible for possible prosecution, 86 have been cleared for transfer or release and 47 are considered too dangerous for release but are not facing prosecution.

But until now, worries about security have prevented the idea of transferring some or all of the inmates to the United States from getting much traction.

Obama pledged to close the prison within a year after first taking office in January 2009 but his efforts ran aground, partly because of congressional opposition, from both Republicans and some in his own Democratic Party, to transferring prisoners to the United States.

Inmates started a hunger strike in February that has swelled to some 100 prisoners and has led to force-feeding of 23 of the prisoners. With the camp back under a critical spotlight, Obama told a news conference on Tuesday he would renew efforts to shut it down. He has an array of options, some of which would be more achievable than others.

Gude said it was difficult to figure out how much the United States has spent overall on Guantanamo detention facilities since it began housing prisoners there in 2002 because administrations only recently have been noting the expense in a budget line item.

"I don't know if I've ever seen an estimate but it is certainly more than $1 billion by a comfortable margin, I would say, probably more than $2 billion," Gude said.

http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=OBR&date=20130503&id=16437679

Clearly housing supposed terrorists is far more important than, say, making sure the elderly can get food.

This whole thing is fucking disgusting
 

zoukka

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I dunno, those bankers made it seem anything below 1 million isn't enough to support a normal life style.
 

SiteSeer

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Waterboarding isn't cheap you know.

oh god the memories are coming back. people were going waterboarding crazy back then weren't they? every hack journalist and media commentator was getting in on it, playing 'spin the waterboard' who's next? is it torture? or just enhanced interrogation? lol
 

trey360

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Can't President Obama use an executive order to close Guantanamo? If not he could work with progressive organizations to pass a constitution amendment prohibiting the US from operating extra judicial facilities. Unfortunate he can't protest to the Republican controlled Supreme Court.
 

strafer

member
Speaking of waterboarding, I actually tried that on myself once in the shower.

Never been so scared in my life.

Never again.

Fuck waterboarding.
 

Camp Lo

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Link this to all the fucking idiots saying they wished such and such would get tortured for the rest of their lives for doing this or that.

There's no way they thought that would be cheap. No fucking way.
 
Obama can already release quite a few people, but they're not doing it because Republicans are going to paint him as releasing terrorists. He's a pussy.
 

Bergsy

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Speaking of waterboarding, I actually tried that on myself once in the shower.

Never been so scared in my life.

Never again.

Fuck waterboarding.

I know them feels bro, I had some friends do it to me just to experience it, not nice but i'm glad it works lol
 

Slavik81

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Didn't Obama mention something about closing down that farce?
He's made attempts, but Congress has blocked the transfer of prisoners out of the facility.

He said the same in his first-term campaign. It's all empty words.
And I do get the impression the (unfulfilled) promise contained a few weasel words.

Specifically, I don't think he's ever supported giving these people proper trials, even if he does close down that particular prison.
 
I thought he would come into his own more now that he don't have to worry about reelection. I thought wrong.

One possible explanation that his Presidency could affect the 2014 elections and possibly 2016.

I'm not necessarily defending him being a pussy, but at the same time, I also recognize that its imperative that the Republican party in its current state DOES NOT take the White House before they return to anything resembling sanity.

The American people have goldfish memories and are flimsy. Anything, could tip the stakes in their favor.
 

trey360

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Seems like he's starting a new push to close it with his comments form the other day, but it's slow as usual.

I think force feeding hundreds of prisoners for an indefinite period of time is unsustainable. It would take many more articles describing the situation inside Gitmo before Congress and the President acts to close the camp. Honestly I'm glad they went on the hunger strike. It was the best way to change the situation. Also if Gitmo closes because of it, it's a key indicator that hunger strikes work.
 

trey360

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One possible explanation that his Presidency could affect the 2014 elections and possibly 2016.

I'm not necessarily defending him being a pussy, but at the same time, I also recognize that its imperative that the Republican party in its current state DOES NOT take the White House before they return to anything resembling sanity.

The American people have goldfish memories and are flimsy. Anything, could tip the stakes in their favor.

That's true, but Obama could phrase the argument as a redefinition of liberal values. For too long Democrats have allowed the GOP to vilify liberal as a bad word with bad ideas. With the achievements that Obama has already accomplished and the respect that the Clintons have, especially compared the the Bushes, Obama could summon up some fortitude and fight much harder for this. Then he won't have to worry about what happens with the midterms and the 2016 election.
 

bomma_man

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That's pretty insane. In contrast the cost of a civilian prisoner in Australia is 100 grand a year, which is fucking high anyway.
 
It's pretty disgusting that people are referencing a terrible "stoner" movie at this topic. Harold and Kumar may have produced the most idiotic "stoner" flicks of all time.

It is even more disgusting that this topic even exists, and that the U.S. seems to be totally okay with torturing [mostly] innocent victims.

Further, not to create controversy with my lovely GAF, but to think people are actually supporting our president because Congress "opposes his beliefs" is a farce. He spoke empty words to begin with and he continues to put them forth. He provided a nation with inexistent "hope." Then again, who am I [my uneducated self] to say anthing on this topic, so I'll leave it to someone smarter than me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVZ_lLUIIyU

I truly hope that one day our nation, my nation, can stop making me ashamed to reside in it.
 

dramatis

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Further, not to create controversy with my lovely GAF, but to think people are actually supporting our president because Congress "opposes his beliefs" is a farce. He spoke empty words to begin with and he continues to put them forth. He provided a nation with inexistent "hope." Then again, who am I [my uneducated self] to say anthing on this topic, so I'll leave it to someone smarter than me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVZ_lLUIIyU

I truly hope that one day our nation, my nation, can stop making me ashamed to reside in it.
Better stop thinking that then, because I don't see anyone saying they are supporting the president's inaction because of Congress. Rather, they acknowledge that Congress is a significant obstacle to the closure of Guantanamo Bay.

Rather than a youtube animation, it might be prudent to educate your uneducated self about the government proper. One of the downsides of having the presidency be such a publicly prominent position is that the public fails to realize how limited the presidential powers are.
 

Hermii

Member
The Japanese soldiers who got convicted and executed for waterboarding after WW2 deserves an official apology. After all, they were only interrogating in an enchanced way.
 

Kinyou

Member
oh god the memories are coming back. people were going waterboarding crazy back then weren't they? every hack journalist and media commentator was getting in on it, playing 'spin the waterboard' who's next? is it torture? or just enhanced interrogation? lol

That anyone could consider waterboarding to not be some form of torture is still blowing my mind. Recently some fox news guy made again the statement "I don't believe it's torture"

Infuriating
 

Espresso

Banned
That anyone could consider waterboarding to not be some form of torture is still blowing my mind. Recently some fox news guy made again the statement "I don't believe it's torture"

Infuriating

Hannity, if I remember right. He claimed that waterboarding is akin to "dunking", and since he didn't believe it was torture, he would prove it by allowing himself to be waterboarded.
 

Goro Majima

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Wait they're cutting funding for the tower at XNA airport in Arkansas? It's already ludicrously expensive to fly out of there. Most people I know go out of Tulsa for personal travel.
 
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