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[DrGAKMAN]

This is not based on any recent rumors or "specs"...this is just me putting together a theory based on speculation.

It's known that Nintendo is planning full GCN BC with Revolution, down to including a GCN docking station with all 4 controller ports and 2 DigiCard memory card slots. It will thusly be compatible with every GCN peripheral (sans GameBoy Player) and every GCN game! Sooooo...for perfect BC, would the board have to have a GCN chipset? It's either that or the Revolution chipset would have to be designed around being fully BC with GCN. I'm no techie, but couldn't that limit the Revolution's chipset? Wouldn't it just be cheaper to include a cheap chip that took care of that.

They could modify the GCN's Gekko to be just that. The Gekko is already pretty clean & small, they could just modify it slightly and probably even improve it. And it would probably be pretty cheap...and the R&D they do on making this new Gekko could be applied to future portables...so it's not a bad idea IMO. But...taking that further...let's say the Revolution does include the GCN chipset in some form. Could it work alongside the Broadway as it's "helper" processor. Furthermore, could it be Revolution's PPU? If it were, Broadway would have a lighter workload allowing it to do more despite it being "less" powerful than CPU's on competing systems. It could help level some performance out despite the Revolution's space/price/heat limitations.

I know there's other theory/speculation topics, but this is an honest question to those who would know better than me. And I want it to be seperate from the rumors and specs we already know are most likely false.

 

[Mrbob]

!!!!!!!!!!

NO PPU FOR YOU!

 

[Tony HoTT]

WHAT!?

 

[DrGAKMAN]

S o u p Nazi?

C P U Nazi!

 

[Amir0x]

You should really give up the idea of a PPU, DrGAKMAN.

 

[capslock]

Your thread title is unclear.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

Awww...why...'cos early PPU cards cost so much money by themselves and haven't come out yet?

Revolution isn't a PC so I don't see the problem.

 

[Speevy]

Pepe Le Pew?

 

[Drinky Crow]

SHUT UP ABOUT THE FUCKING PPU

IF YOU WANT MAGICAL GAME PHYSICS BUY A PS3

GOD

JEEZ

DAMN

 

[DrGAKMAN]

Your thread title is unclear.

Sorry! I put a questionmark at the end of it. And that's what this is, I'm asking:
-could the GCN chipset be included in the Revolution in some way to ensure perfect BC?
and
-could said GCN chip be used as a helper co-processor with Broadway in Revolution games?

SHUT UP ABOUT THE FUCKING PPU

IF YOU WANT MAGICAL GAME PHYSICS BUY A PS3

GOD

JEEZ

DAMN

Snide remarks are welcome, but I'd also like answers!

 

[krypt0nian]

SHUT UP ABOUT THE FUCKING PPU

IF YOU WANT MAGICAL GAME PHYSICS BUY A PS3

GOD

JEEZ

DAMN

I peed a little.

 

[Ganondorf>Link]

Fuck the what say just you did?

 

[Error]

another revolution thread :O

 

[Amir0x]

Awww...why...'cos early PPU cards cost so much money by themselves and haven't come out yet?

Revolution isn't a PC so I don't see the problem.

No, because it's never going to happen. Just like almost all of your inane ideas about the Revolution controller never happened. I'm a geek AND a loser, but even I gotta say: you waste too much time on this shit. And that is fucking IRONIC coming from me.

 

[VALIS]

!!!!!!!!!!

NO PPU FOR YOU!

Nintendo invented soup. That guy just stole the idea.

 

[Pikmindictator]

DrGAKMAN I miss your old avatar

 

[acidviper]

The price is definitly right, but knowing N, they probably used the cheapest possible setup.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

another revolution thread :O

I see...
-make a thread about X360/Blockbuster::get normal responces
-make a thread with some Revolution questions::no answers at all, Drinky Crow is on standby with a "BUY A PS3 LOL" post & about 5 random nobody posters say "another Revolution thread" in order to try to make a name for themselves

I keed I keed.

 

[krypt0nian]

No, because it's never going to happen. Just like almost all of your inane ideas about the Revolution controller never happened. I'm a geek AND a loser, but even I gotta say: you waste too much time on this shit. And that is fucking IRONIC coming from me.

PPU's are the new holograms.....oh wait some geek posted a hologram thread today too.

Whoops.

 

[Error]

I see...
-make a thread about X360/Blockbuster::get normal responces
-make a thread with some Revolution questions::no answers at all, Drinky Crow is on standby with a "BUY A PS3 LOL" post & about 5 random nobody posters say "another Revolution thread" in order to try to make a name for themselves

I keed I keed.

hey don't take it personally, is just that they are a lot of threads about the revolution didn't want to offend or anything.

 

[M3wThr33]

Your speculations were more tolerable back when you had the boobs in your avatar.

 

[cicero]

Snide remarks are welcome, but I'd also like answers!

Answers to a personal theory based on speculation?

"Why do they call it ovaltine? The mug is round, the jar is round, they should call it "roundtine". That's gold Jerry, GOLD!"

 

[DrGAKMAN]

The price is definitly right, but knowing N, they probably used the cheapest possible setup.

An actual legit responce???

I'm wondering, what would be cheaper: making a CPU & GPU that's perfectly compatible with GCN or simply include the GCN chipset?

 

[DrGAKMAN]

Amir0x...
Don't worry, you're still a bigger geek & loser than me. Serious responce to your reply: um, why couldn't a GCN chip (if included for BC) not be some form of a helper chip for Broadway...oh...that's right 'cos you're Amir0x and you're always correct and you never lose an argument.

Oh and about my ideas...I had tons of different ones throughout the many threads I created speculating on the interface. I was right about the D-PAD becoming primary, Nintendo wanting to reduce the amount of thumb possitions for the player, I was right about it having an expansion port & tilt sensors & it being a lightgun & of course my two fisted idea...sorry, not tooting my own horn, but I was pretty close a couple times.

Pikmindictator & M3wThr33...
I was told she was simply too sexy for this forum.

krypt0nian...
Exactly, if someone can make a dumbass thread about something so obviously fake, then I should be allowed to ask some basic down to Earth (though speculatory) question.

Error2k4...
You're cool, I was just joking.

cicero...
Yeah well...see if I care...I'm gonna draw boobs in PictoChat!

 

[Tony HoTT]

Meaningless speculation.

There is no use in discussing this. What if your little theory never comes true gakman? You would have wasted all of our precious time.

You seem good at having conversations with yourself so this thread should be your new home. Just don't leave your home.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

Meaningless speculation.

There is no use in discussing this. What if your little theory never comes true gakman? You would have wasted all of our precious time.

You seem good at having conversations with yourself so this thread should be your new home. Just don't leave your home.

If it's such a waste of time...GET OUT OF MY HOME!

 

[VALIS]

But seriously, someone offered you some good advice up there. Idle speculation and other Nintendroid naval gazing is a lot more tolerable when you have a boobie avatar. Bring one back.

 

[Amir0x]

Amir0x...
Don't worry, you're still a bigger geek & loser than me.

Pretty sure that's impossible at this point!

Oh and about my ideas...I had tons of different ones throughout the many threads I created speculating on the interface. I was right about the D-PAD becoming primary, Nintendo wanting to reduce the amount of thumb possitions for the player, I was right about it having an expansion port & tilt sensors & it being a lightgun & of course my two fisted idea...sorry, not tooting my own horn, but I was pretty close a couple times.

The Revolution controller isn't a lightgun. Your two fisted idea, the one you made, is not at all close to what Revs controller ended up being. And everyone on earth guessed some form of TILT SENSOR at some point in time.

Here's the thing, you speculated and speculated for no reason and then Nintendo came along and said 'hey, you just wasted a year doing that crap.' You once suggested you might be on the right track because you got a Nintendo e-mail that said "HAVE FUN" on it. Being naive only goes so far, friend.

This isn't a post to sit here and make fun of you, it's just to say this is silly, you're always making these threads, they're always wrong, and you can just as easily wait to find out what it'll actually have. In fact, more easily. Now far be it from me to tell you what to do with your time, but I'm saying it's pretty pointless.

So to specifically get right down to your question...

Serious responce to your reply: um, why couldn't a GCN chip (if included for BC) not be some form of a helper chip for Broadway...oh...that's right 'cos you're Amir0x and you're always correct and you never lose an argument.

No, the "GC chip" for BC would not also be used as some sort of PPU. It's as simple as that. If you ask why, the answer IS because I'm always correct and never lose an argument. Alternatively, it's because it's a very retarded idea. I hope that clears things up.

 

[Particle Physicist]

it would be way too expensive to keep the gc internals, and have other cpus and gpus in there as well. since their partners this time around are the exact same ones as with the gc.. even down to the ram providers, it wouldnt be hard to have backwards compatibility ingrained in the revs own chips.

 

[n-off]

Actually, including the old gecko cpu as a ppu would make a hell lot of sense.
The clock frequency was around 400mhz, which should be more than enough for physics calculation.
Also the bc would be no problem at all.
Might become the truth!

 

[Hooker]

In theory it could, but like quadriplegicjon already mentioned, it's probably a costly method to ensure backwards compatibility for NGC games.


What probably is happening, is that the REV CPU will feature the same feature list as the NGC (It's a RISC processor, given that the REV is the same (most probably) they should have any problems adding a few transistors for those extra functions if they aren't already implemented) but of course expanded and maybe more streamlined.

And Way cheaper as it's on one die

 

[ThunderEmperor]

Actually, including the old gecko cpu as a ppu would make a hell lot of sense.
The clock frequency was around 400mhz, which should be more than enough for physics calculation.
Also the bc would be no problem at all.
Might become the truth!

i agree there.

 

[gofreak]

The clock frequency was around 400mhz, which should be more than enough for physics calculation.

...?

Physics is/can be one of the most computationally intensive aspects of a game.

Anyway, it doesn't make sense to include a Gekko seperately in Rev when I'm sure backwards compatability was one of Nintendo's requirements of Broadway.

 

[crisdecuba]

I'm glad some good responses are coming in. Assuming no one out there knows the cost of the chipset today, I can't think it'd be that expensive. It's 4 year old technology.

So, IF it's in there, then the logical thing would be to have it help out in some way with REV games, such as handling physics calcs. From what I've read about PPUs, the stress they take off of the CPU is A LOT, so perhaps Nintendo could achieve similar graphics to the competition (or at least the 360) without have to go for a really expensive CPU.

Does that make any sense? I'm sure y'all won't be shy in telling me if it doesn't.

~Cris

 

[Polari]

God, the "technical" threads here are often just embarassing.

The clueless and PPUs appear to be a match made in heaven.

Please people, do some basic reading before starting a thread and going very far out on a limb, for your own sake as much as the rest of ours.

 

[GaimeGuy]

No, because it's never going to happen. Just like almost all of your inane ideas about the Revolution controller never happened. I'm a geek AND a loser, but even I gotta say: you waste too much time on this shit. And that is fucking IRONIC coming from me.

:lol

 

[elostyle]

I would expect the new CPU to have a compatibility mode for the gecko. It's a power pc after all.

The fact that they are using the same SDK for the rev indicates that the overall system design would be very similar to the gamecube. When they put in the effort to keep system compatibility, then gamecube games migh just be able to run without the rev housing a mini-gc.

The controller would probably work with a gamecube in theory, I bet the demos at TGS ran on a modified gamecube.

 

[deadhorse32]

Here's the thing, you speculated and speculated for no reason and then Nintendo came along and said 'hey, you just wasted a year doing that crap.' You once suggested you might be on the right track because you got a Nintendo e-mail that said "HAVE FUN" on it. Being naive only goes so far, friend.

This isn't a post to sit here and make fun of you, it's just to say this is silly, you're always making these threads, they're always wrong, and you can just as easily wait to find out what it'll actually have. In fact, more easily. Now far be it from me to tell you what to do with your time, but I'm saying it's pretty pointless.

QFT

I would expect the new CPU to have a compatibility mode for the gecko. It's a power pc after all.

The fact that they are using the same SDK for the rev indicates that the overall system design would be very similar to the gamecube. When they put in the effort to keep system compatibility, then gamecube games migh just be able to run without the rev housing a mini-gc.

QFT

And expect Broadway...or Hollywood (which one is the GPU anyway) to be Flipper-like.

 

[dog$]

uh am I missing something or isn't this like asking if a CPU could become a really good Math Coprocessor?

I think there's more of a difference between a CPU and a PPU than the acronymns.

 

[yoopoo]

You should make your own Rev speculation blog, not enough of those on the net.

 

[Xellotah]

You should make your own Rev speculation blog, not enough of those on the net.

Those are insider blogs .... not speculation blogs.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

OH JESUS.