Creepy unsolved/paranormal/strange events thread
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Tonay said:
Threads like this on GAF are depressing for this reason. People whine endlessly about how GAF hates religion, but GAF is also thunderingly credulous about ridiculous things.
Sorry, folks, Tonay may be abrasive in some of his posts, but he's 100% right. All "unexplained" occurrences have rational explanations. Whether it's appropriate to keep hammering that fact home in a thread like this is questionable, but I don't see people bitching about that so much as being upset that someone is challenging the validity of their "omg ghosts!" experiences.
I wish it weren't the way it is, though. It'd be pretty cool to be a Ghostbuster for a living.
I don't think 70% of people that's posted so far actually believe in these stories or accept paranormal explanations. Seriously, you're telling people who like sci-fi that those stories didn't actually happen. WE ALREADY KNOW.MattKeil said:
Also, it's good to question prestablished facts. I think it's difficult to say science can advance otherwise.
But please remember; this is only a work of fiction. The truth, as always, will be far stranger. - Arthur C. Clarke
backflip10019
Member
Ok, I've read through the entire thread and just wanted to chime in. Who cares if there's concrete evidence or not about these stories? It's fun reading them, telling them, etc even if they aren't real.
Ash Sparrow
Banned
It started awhile back, creepy occurences. I dont know if anyone believed me, though i hate lies. I went through it alone, with only a few who had been over and witnessed things going on in my place. There was a face in the shower curtain, an incident where it seemed something was tugging the ladder i was on. water turning on by itself, dishes rattling.
Now i have proof my place is haunted, what will those that didnt believe say now what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT2JoyY9iWQ&feature=channel_page
Now i have proof my place is haunted, what will those that didnt believe say now what?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT2JoyY9iWQ&feature=channel_page
vilmer_ said:
See now, everyone thinks that this thread is full of two groups of people. The believers and the non-believers. But that's not how it is. In reality, there's a third group, and that's the genuine reason there's so much tension in here.
Group 1: People who believe there's a rational explanation for everything and are happy to discuss it here.
Group 2: People who believe there's a rational explanation for everything, but don't want to discuss it here.
Group 3: People who believe that ghosts and goblins and demons and munchkins may actually exist.
Now, we all want a happy thread, so it seems that the troubles arise from the intolerance of Group 2. Group 1 and 3 are happy to discuss the validity of these stories because they actually have their own standpoint from which to debate with. The debate would provoke insight and understanding from both groups - by talking, we'd all learn from each other. Some things are easily explainable, other things stump us completely.
Group 2, however, are preventing that intelligent discourse in the thread with their vitriolic remarks and constant anger. They demand stories, not discussion. They seem to forget that having a debate doesn't decrease the amount of creepy stories that are being retold. If anything, it's making this thread more popular so more people can see it and post their own stories. They insult both groups simultaneously and are the prime reason that this happy-go-lucky thread turned into a mexican fucking stand-off.
Tonay said:
Amen brother. Now let's get some more weirdness people!
Here are some interviews on youtube with the investigators of the "Skinwalker Ranch".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPl4FS7WlPw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kublMHP4dRs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkD7Urltiwk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkD7Urltiwk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkD7Urltiwk&feature=related
Napoleonthechimp
Member
I think a lot of people confuse dreams with memories or sometimes get them mixed up together resulting in these bizarre recollections.
StriKeVillain
Banned
Awesome. Never heard of the Skinwalker Ranch. Thanks for this.vilmer_ said:
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Tideas said:
Why? Belief in one form of supernatural phenomena doesn't require belief in all other supernatural phenomena.
Epic Tier 3 Engineer
Banned
How an individual doesn't get banned for this, I'll never know. As admirable as your righteous crusade is, you're not doing yourself any favors by putting "Christians, Jews, Republicans and native americans," among other things, in the same group as "cockmasters, fuckheads, and assholes."Tonay said:
Jesus, man. You're like God's prototype of a human born from the unholy amalgam of the internet and a fucking idiot.
The Gable Film
Supposed to be footage of some beast/werewolf/whatever attacking someone. Another case of "strange 8mm film found in attic/basement".
The second half looks like something from an old zombie movie (guy recording the projector footage):
Second Half
EDIT: Oh and this is a cool one - The Ghost Car
Supposed to be footage of some beast/werewolf/whatever attacking someone. Another case of "strange 8mm film found in attic/basement".
The second half looks like something from an old zombie movie (guy recording the projector footage):
Second Half
EDIT: Oh and this is a cool one - The Ghost Car
A couple of nights ago something scared the shit out of me.
Sometimes I fall asleep with my eyes a little bit opened, and I can see my surroundings while I dream, mixing dreams with reality.
Well, the other night I saw this bitch on the wall:
but I couldn't move because I was slepping, and I was terrified and trying to get out of the bed.
When I finally made it (I felt I was actually shaking my body when I finally woke up) I looked at the wall where she was on the nightmare.
And she was still there.
Sometimes I fall asleep with my eyes a little bit opened, and I can see my surroundings while I dream, mixing dreams with reality.
Well, the other night I saw this bitch on the wall:
but I couldn't move because I was slepping, and I was terrified and trying to get out of the bed.
When I finally made it (I felt I was actually shaking my body when I finally woke up) I looked at the wall where she was on the nightmare.
And she was still there.
but then I realized it was just my bathrobe, hanging on the wall
Count Dookkake
Member
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_Alkaline_
Member
Tonay, stop shitting up the thread.
It was actually turning into something awesome.
It was actually turning into something awesome.
Poimandres
Member
How about the min min lights?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Min_Min_light
This has DEFINITELY been verified as a real phenomenon. What exactly the lights are, remains a contentious issue.
A couple of my friends had a cool/creepy story about the lights. They were driving through the desert one night. Just going for an off road spin for fun. Anyway, they had been driving for an hour or so, and hadn't seen any other cars.
On the horizon behind them they noticed a light, and just assumed it was headlights from a distant vehicle. It followed them for the next 20 minutes or so, keeping around the same distance. They stopped their car, just to chill out for a while, and noticed the light getting closer. When it got close enough, they realized it was actually a yellow ball of light a little smaller than a car hovering maybe 5 metres about the ground. It passed directly over the top of their car and travelled on into the distance. They all freaked out and immediately turned around and went home!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Min_Min_light
This has DEFINITELY been verified as a real phenomenon. What exactly the lights are, remains a contentious issue.
A couple of my friends had a cool/creepy story about the lights. They were driving through the desert one night. Just going for an off road spin for fun. Anyway, they had been driving for an hour or so, and hadn't seen any other cars.
On the horizon behind them they noticed a light, and just assumed it was headlights from a distant vehicle. It followed them for the next 20 minutes or so, keeping around the same distance. They stopped their car, just to chill out for a while, and noticed the light getting closer. When it got close enough, they realized it was actually a yellow ball of light a little smaller than a car hovering maybe 5 metres about the ground. It passed directly over the top of their car and travelled on into the distance. They all freaked out and immediately turned around and went home!
ProfessorLobo
Banned
Poimandres said:
I've always thought Ball Lightning was really cool, too. Probably real, but very rare.
Poimandres
Member
ProfessorLobo said:
Ah, an excellent example of something that was once totally dismissed but is now recognized as a real phenomenon by many "experts", even if a concise explanation continues to elude.
To the skeptics I say... it is foolish to dismiss all unexplained phenomenon. Surely, there are many things about this planet and indeed the universe that we do not understand. Can these things be explained? Ultimately they undoubtedly can be. Can they be explained with our current understanding of the nature of the universe? Perhaps not.
Lionheart1827
Member
Arhal_Katarn said:
Took you long enough.
Fenix already spotted it on like the 6th page or so.:lol
Wanted to see how long until people noticed.
Zombie James
Banned
Whatever happened to that guy who said he had legit footage of an alien peeking in through his window? I forgot his name, but I remember seeing a clip of an interview he did on TV, said he was waiting for it to be authenticated before showing it. That was months ago.
Freestyler
Member
Chao said:
Similar thing happened to me. I'm reasonably intelligent so obviously I don't believe in ghosts/demons etc., so I shouldn't have been scared - but I was absoutely horrified for a few seconds until my brain kicked in.
I basically woke up one night to the sound that the evil girl makes in The Grudge before she/it attacks (that kinda throaty noise), and I looked up and I swear there was a black figure standing over my bed. I screamed "fuck!" and reached for the lightswitch, which when I turned on I noticed that the 'black figure' was just a stereo speaker and the 'Grudge noise' was just my stomach rumbling :lol
Still, it was the scariest moment of my life until I realised what had happened.
Poimandres said:
The very fact that it was mostly called "ball lightning" and not "Voodoo Spheres" pretty much puts it in a different class than UFOs and terrifying apparitions. People who witnessed it thought they were looking at a natural phenomenon, albeit an unusual one.
Unlike Will O the Wisp which is a natural phenomenon explained as supernatural for millenia.
viciouskillersquirrel
Member
That is such an awesome story!Zozz said:
Tonay - the reason people are angry at you and accusing you of ruining the thread isn't because they believe in hobgoblins or ghosts or because they don't like the "magic" gone from the world, it's because this thread was originally about sharing awesome creepy stories.
It doesn't matter that they're fictional/imagined/misinterpreted at all. People in this thread are looking for the thrill of that creeped out feeling when something scary happens. Trying to explain it all away might be satisfying to you, but it distracts from the fun of the thread.
Do you go into Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings threads and point out how magic isn't real? Do you go into these threads and equate fans of these series to superfans who fully expect to go into antique shops looking for stray wizard-made artifacts or who think digimon are real? Because that's what you're doing to this thread.
There will be the occasional person in this thread who fully believes their own stories. This is their right and their own prerogative. Trying to convince them otherwise will only result in defensive behaviour and achieve the exact opposite effect to what you were looking for. You'd do better with a more subtle approach.
alexthekid
Member
Anticitizen One said:
This is probarbly just you making a point about google and it has nothing to do with people believing that the earth was round. But still i feel that i have to point out that as early as in the Dark Ages(knights and and shit, cant really find the name in english) no one "educated" thought that the earth was flat.
TheHeretic
Banned
viciouskillersquirrel said:
Unless you are looking to point out that people are hypocrites and morons, with little exception. Its easy to attack a religious person who "experienced" God, but its another thing to attack what "you experienced", being you were a fucking 6 year old with no concept of anything that saw a "ghost" and believes it to this day.
And of course the tag line of this thread, science can't explain everything. Oh, the shortcomings of science! This is such an idiotic statement i'm amazed more people don't get called out on it. Science doesn't claim to have all the answers. You seeing something and then claiming its paranormal is YOU claiming YOU have the answers. Science doesn't say wierd shit can't happen: it wants an opportunity to test it. Funny to this day how worthless the evidence towards ghosts have been. Sorry worthless isn't the right word here. NON-EXISTANT.
At this point I really am raining on everyones parade. Am I a dick? Probably, but at least i'm consistent.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Even if some completely bizarre event happens, you pretty much either have to believe there's some rational explanation or that things just happen randomly in the universe. Just because something isn't understood doesn't make it irrational.vilmer_ said:
TheHeretic said:
Keep fighting the good fight, my child. Through you, my spirit lives on.
Incidentally, that would be 'spirit' in the metaphorical sense as opposed to the metaphysical - the concept of the human spirit, I believe, was a dream created out of peoples sadness at the finality of death. A quasi-believable version of immortality, as it were. A cosmic wish, if I may. The temporary construct of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose, if you will.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
More awesome stories to share but looking at some of you waving your dicks around like a rope, I'm a bit disappointed.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
To be fair your first story wasn't so much "awesome" as it was "disturbing and depressing" and kind of sent the thread rolling downhill when Tonay decided to call it out.shagg_187 said:
Zozz's and Jackson5's stories, though.. those were pretty awesome.
dacuk
Member
TheHeretic said:
Yeah, but this in not the thread for it.
If this thread title were "Debunking or proving unexplained phenomena false", we will appreciate your posts.
As you are doing now, looking down on people just telling their stories (not really saying they are explaining their causes or origins), you are not only a dick, but you are a pretentious one too.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I decree that Tonay is protected by the impenetrable monkey anus.
The words spoken by Tonay must be at least entertained. You don't have to believe any of his words, just as he doesn't have to believe yours, but if he can take the time to read yours, you must also read his, and take from them what you will.
I've enjoyed both sets through this thread. The passionate believer and the incredulous skeptic. Stories depicting demons could also be explained with ESP and Psychic Teleportation (for a more modern spin on tales of old) or with a fugue state and some level of psychosis.
Each opinion has value to me, because each shows a differing outlook on human perception. Regionally, and Nationally differing ways of explaining the unknown.
There's a whole wealth of history in each post.
The words spoken by Tonay must be at least entertained. You don't have to believe any of his words, just as he doesn't have to believe yours, but if he can take the time to read yours, you must also read his, and take from them what you will.
I've enjoyed both sets through this thread. The passionate believer and the incredulous skeptic. Stories depicting demons could also be explained with ESP and Psychic Teleportation (for a more modern spin on tales of old) or with a fugue state and some level of psychosis.
Each opinion has value to me, because each shows a differing outlook on human perception. Regionally, and Nationally differing ways of explaining the unknown.
There's a whole wealth of history in each post.
riskVSreward
Member
My ex-girlfriend was possessed for a day. She was flying around breathing fire and speaking in tongues. If you got too close to her she would teleport behind you Akuma style. I went to the alchemist and he made me an elixir in which I dipped a golden arrow. I fired the arrow into her thigh and a spirit escaped out of her mouth. I asked him why he would do such a thing but he acted like he couldn't hear me and disappeared before I could pull guard.
True story.
True story.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Honest mistake.riskVSreward said:
Too many MMO's.
Souldriver
Member
My parents and a befriended couple have together bought a piece of land in the nature/wood/forest part of my country, and have build a house on it to spend their weekends there. The also rent the house to other people when they themselves aren't there.
My family has gone there for about 20 years now, apart from the "it's in the middle of a forest", there is nothing ghost-story like about this whole ordeal. Now, one weekend both my parents and the other couple were there. That weekend some strange things happened. First off, they constantly could hear the low sound of a bass every night, as if there was a party in the neighborhood. But: this house is in the middle of nowhere, and when you went outside you couldn't hear a thing. It seemed as if the bass only could be heard inside the house. This was actually something I noticed first, a few months before that weekend. when I was in the house too for a weekend. I think my parents are getting a little deaf (well, they say your hearing gets worse with every year, so...). I heard it at night and asked my parents if they had heard it too. They said no. But the weekend they were there with the other couple, they had all heard it. Also at night, the radio would randomly start playing in the living room. The living room is at the first floor, where the bedrooms of my parents and the other couple are too. The first night the radio started playing, my dad went to look, and the lights were out in the whole house, and nobody was there. Just the radio playing, and the window was open (also on the first floor). It was weird, but whatever. At home we also have a tv that randomly goes on and constantly changes the channels, in a loop, backwards. Malfunctions are what they're called. 
And the window could have been shut wrong.
However, the second night, my parents heard footsteps on the wooden floor. Not just sounds, footsteps. After going there for so long, the sound feet make on the floor are very recognisable. Not to mention, the house is pretty "low budget", so the creaking is omnipresent if you move around. They also heard how the radio got turned on, how the toilet got flushed, and other stuff. But not loud or anything. The radio was softly playing, and the footsteps were obviously silent on purpose. Fast forward to the morning, the window was open again, even though they specifically had made sure it was closed. When all four people got at the breakfast table, the guy from the other couple asked my parents why they were still hanging out in the living room at 4am, and asked if my dad had stomach aches again (something he often has when eating much before going to bed, and if that happens he usually gets up and walks around a bit). My parents raised their shoulders cause they were in their bed the entire night, and my dad had even said something to my mom that night about how someone (from the other couple) was still walking around so late. In other words: nobody left their room, everybody has heard someone walking, listening to the radio, flushing the toilet, ... that night, and everyone thought it was "the other couple". Sleepwalking is out of the question too, since the partner of the sleepwalker would've noticed him/her being not in bed during the noise.
Too this day, there is no explanation for what happened that weekend. My mom told me about it when they got back home again. She began by saying that they had heard the bass beating at night too, and "that some other weird stuff had also happened". I was pretty freaked out to hear my mother say all this, because she is as rational, not superstitious, boring and to-the-point as you can get. It's just not in her nature to tell stuff like that, and even less to believe in such a thing. She's not a story teller, and not someone who'd exaggerate facts to get attention or make it more interesting. In fact, nor is my father or the other couple. All are non-religious, not superstitious, and I've never seen them "interested in spooky stuff". It's just not something I see in my parents. Fact of the matter is, to this day non of the people involved believe something unnatural/paranormal/whateverthefuckyoudcallit has happened that night. They're all sure there is an logical explanation, or that it was just a weird accumulation of coincidences. Me too for that matter. However, they haven't found any yet (although they aren't looking for an answer either. They never really speak of these events again, and it just remains "that weekend some weird stuff happened".)
I wish I had been there. It's not that I don't believe what my parents told me, but it still is "a story", not something I've witnessed myself. If I go to the vacation house, I sleep on the ground floor, right under the living room. If I'd been there, perhaps I would've gotten up from hearing the noise or something, seen who was there, and explain teh mistarryyy.
Even if you don't believe in all the paranormal stuff, most people have something *weird* they can tell if the subject comes to the attention. I haven't experienced something I can't explain myself though. Or at least, I don't jump to ridiculous conclusions for everything that you'd consider "odd".
My family has gone there for about 20 years now, apart from the "it's in the middle of a forest", there is nothing ghost-story like about this whole ordeal.
Now, one weekend both my parents and the other couple were there. That weekend some strange things happened. First off, they constantly could hear the low sound of a bass every night, as if there was a party in the neighborhood. But: this house is in the middle of nowhere, and when you went outside you couldn't hear a thing. It seemed as if the bass only could be heard inside the house. This was actually something I noticed first, a few months before that weekend. when I was in the house too for a weekend. I think my parents are getting a little deaf (well, they say your hearing gets worse with every year, so...). I heard it at night and asked my parents if they had heard it too. They said no. But the weekend they were there with the other couple, they had all heard it. Also at night, the radio would randomly start playing in the living room. The living room is at the first floor, where the bedrooms of my parents and the other couple are too. The first night the radio started playing, my dad went to look, and the lights were out in the whole house, and nobody was there. Just the radio playing, and the window was open (also on the first floor). It was weird, but whatever. At home we also have a tv that randomly goes on and constantly changes the channels, in a loop, backwards. Malfunctions are what they're called. And the window could have been shut wrong.However, the second night, my parents heard footsteps on the wooden floor. Not just sounds, footsteps. After going there for so long, the sound feet make on the floor are very recognisable. Not to mention, the house is pretty "low budget", so the creaking is omnipresent if you move around. They also heard how the radio got turned on, how the toilet got flushed, and other stuff. But not loud or anything. The radio was softly playing, and the footsteps were obviously silent on purpose. Fast forward to the morning, the window was open again, even though they specifically had made sure it was closed. When all four people got at the breakfast table, the guy from the other couple asked my parents why they were still hanging out in the living room at 4am, and asked if my dad had stomach aches again (something he often has when eating much before going to bed, and if that happens he usually gets up and walks around a bit). My parents raised their shoulders cause they were in their bed the entire night, and my dad had even said something to my mom that night about how someone (from the other couple) was still walking around so late. In other words: nobody left their room, everybody has heard someone walking, listening to the radio, flushing the toilet, ... that night, and everyone thought it was "the other couple". Sleepwalking is out of the question too, since the partner of the sleepwalker would've noticed him/her being not in bed during the noise.
Too this day, there is no explanation for what happened that weekend. My mom told me about it when they got back home again. She began by saying that they had heard the bass beating at night too, and "that some other weird stuff had also happened". I was pretty freaked out to hear my mother say all this, because she is as rational, not superstitious, boring and to-the-point as you can get. It's just not in her nature to tell stuff like that, and even less to believe in such a thing. She's not a story teller, and not someone who'd exaggerate facts to get attention or make it more interesting. In fact, nor is my father or the other couple. All are non-religious, not superstitious, and I've never seen them "interested in spooky stuff". It's just not something I see in my parents. Fact of the matter is, to this day non of the people involved believe something unnatural/paranormal/whateverthefuckyoudcallit has happened that night. They're all sure there is an logical explanation, or that it was just a weird accumulation of coincidences. Me too for that matter. However, they haven't found any yet (although they aren't looking for an answer either. They never really speak of these events again, and it just remains "that weekend some weird stuff happened".)
I wish I had been there. It's not that I don't believe what my parents told me, but it still is "a story", not something I've witnessed myself. If I go to the vacation house, I sleep on the ground floor, right under the living room. If I'd been there, perhaps I would've gotten up from hearing the noise or something, seen who was there, and explain teh mistarryyy.
Even if you don't believe in all the paranormal stuff, most people have something *weird* they can tell if the subject comes to the attention. I haven't experienced something I can't explain myself though. Or at least, I don't jump to ridiculous conclusions for everything that you'd consider "odd".
Pyrokinesis is slightly different phenomena, in that no one in the paranomal community believe in it anymore. It's sort of a forgotten power now, completely debunked and recognised as such. Here's one of the most popular pyrokinetic examples...
In January 1882, a Dr. L.C. Woodman of Paw Paw wrote in the Michigan Medical News of Underwood:
I have a singular phenomenon in the shape of a young man living here, that I have studied with much interest, and I am satisfied that his peculiar power demonstrates that electricity is the nerve force beyond dispute. His name is Wm. Underwood, aged 27 years, and his gift is that of generating fire through the medium of his breath, assisted by manipulations with his hands. He will take anybody's handkerchief, and hold it to his mouth, and rub it vigorously with his hands while breathing on it, and immediately it bursts into flames and burns until consumed.
Dr. Woodman claimed to have performed comprehensive scientific testing on Mr. Underwood's abilities, proclaiming them a genuine phenomenon. His story became a topic of discussion in many medical and scientific journals of the day, including Scientific American. Skeptics later suggested that Underwood would surreptitiously conceal in his mouth a small piece of phosphorus, a volatile chemical element that ignites in air at about 30 °C, slightly below body temperature. The piece of phosphorus could readily be held in a corner of the gums slightly below this temperature, then spit out and heated to ignition by the friction of the hands.
A century later, the tale of Mr. Underwood was brought to the public eye again as the subject of a 1974 song by musician Brian Eno, entitled "The Paw Paw Negro Blowtorch.".
In January 1882, a Dr. L.C. Woodman of Paw Paw wrote in the Michigan Medical News of Underwood:
I have a singular phenomenon in the shape of a young man living here, that I have studied with much interest, and I am satisfied that his peculiar power demonstrates that electricity is the nerve force beyond dispute. His name is Wm. Underwood, aged 27 years, and his gift is that of generating fire through the medium of his breath, assisted by manipulations with his hands. He will take anybody's handkerchief, and hold it to his mouth, and rub it vigorously with his hands while breathing on it, and immediately it bursts into flames and burns until consumed.
Dr. Woodman claimed to have performed comprehensive scientific testing on Mr. Underwood's abilities, proclaiming them a genuine phenomenon. His story became a topic of discussion in many medical and scientific journals of the day, including Scientific American. Skeptics later suggested that Underwood would surreptitiously conceal in his mouth a small piece of phosphorus, a volatile chemical element that ignites in air at about 30 °C, slightly below body temperature. The piece of phosphorus could readily be held in a corner of the gums slightly below this temperature, then spit out and heated to ignition by the friction of the hands.
A century later, the tale of Mr. Underwood was brought to the public eye again as the subject of a 1974 song by musician Brian Eno, entitled "The Paw Paw Negro Blowtorch.".
xs_mini_neo
Banned
Tonay said:
Tonay, come home. Please. We miss you. It's okay. Everything will be fine. You don't have to do this anymore.
xs_mini_neo said:
Haha. You know, some people have PMed to advise me to not say another word in this thread until I get a moderator personally grant me immunity from being banned. They tell me to bite my tongue, to not speak out for what I believe.
But I see a whole army of my counterparts here in defiance of mystic tyranny. You've come to debate on Neogaf as free men, and free men you are. What will you do with that freedom? Will you fight the good fight?
Sure, fight and you may be banned. Run, and you'll survive...at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willing to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our forum membership, but they will never take our freedom to scrutinise the evidence to a sufficient degree of scientific rigor subject to the specific principles of reasoning.
In other news, the Jersey Devil is a legendary creature said to inhabit the Pine Barrens in New Jersey.
"It was said that Mother Leeds had 12 children and, after giving birth to her 12th child, stated that if she had another, it would be the devil. In 1735, Mother Leeds was in labor on a stormy night. Gathered around her were her friends. Mother Leeds was supposedly a witch and the child's father was the devil himself. The child was born normal, but then changed form. It changed from a normal baby to a creature with hooves, a horse's head, bat wings and a forked tail. It growled and screamed, then killed the midwife before flying up the chimney. It circled the villages and flew off to the Pine Barrens, where it lived for the next three hundred years."