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Crypto exchange FTX collapses.

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!




Anyways, I never saw crypto being any kind of reasonable investment. Just a get rich quick scheme if you were the right person, at the right time, making the right manipulations.

Meanwhile one could invest their money safely, backed by the FIDC, so it's not possible to merely have your money stolen or defrauded by an "exchange" of intangible goods.
 
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Aesius

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Anyways, I never saw crypto being any kind of reasonable investment. Just a get rich quick scheme if you were the right person, at the right time, making the right manipulations.

Meanwhile one could invest their money safely, backed by the FIDC, so it's not possible to merely have your money stolen or defrauded by an "exchange" of intangible goods.

One of my friends was begging me to buy BTC when it dropped below $50k. "Huge discount right now, it's gonna hit $100k by the end of the year."

My cousin has lost a shit ton on crypto and NFTs. Not going to lie...last spring/summer he looked like a genius. He had a few NFTs that he paid around $1k for that mooned up to $40k and beyond, but he hodled and now they are worth less than he paid.
 
One of my friends was begging me to buy BTC when it dropped below $50k. "Huge discount right now, it's gonna hit $100k by the end of the year."

My cousin has lost a shit ton on crypto and NFTs. Not going to lie...last spring/summer he looked like a genius. He had a few NFTs that he paid around $1k for that mooned up to $40k and beyond, but he hodled and now they are worth less than he paid.
My cousin's husband is a dickwad. They asked for crypto donation when their child was born. Luckely we didn't do that and gave the kid a nice toy. The guy was constantly trading crypto with the money of their kids that was donated. Probably lost 90% of that shit by now. Pretty sad, the guy's a complete loser. I feel sorry for the kids.
 

GloveSlap

Member
One of my friends was begging me to buy BTC when it dropped below $50k. "Huge discount right now, it's gonna hit $100k by the end of the year."

My cousin has lost a shit ton on crypto and NFTs. Not going to lie...last spring/summer he looked like a genius. He had a few NFTs that he paid around $1k for that mooned up to $40k and beyond, but he hodled and now they are worth less than he paid.
Reminds me of people that rode Gamestop shares to $600+ and never sold. At some point you have to accept that you won and cash out.
 

DanteFox

Member
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To be played by Margot Robbie in the eventual Adam McKay film.
 

Aesius

Member
Reminds me of people that rode Gamestop shares to $600+ and never sold. At some point you have to accept that you won and cash out.
Me, kinda. I bought at $300 and was up big within 45 minutes, then it tanked. I held long enough that it actually almost reached my buy-in price and sold at only a minor loss.
 

thefool

Member
I see 2013 crypto hot takes never get old. Sheesh

There's a whole political angle to this situation that I won't get into (boss wouldn't like it), but if you're interested in a speculative article about what happened at Alameda Research (the FTX trading firm that should be independent):

 
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segasonic

Member
Every once in a while you hear about these supposedly ultra secure cryptocoins being stolen and there's nothing that can be done to trace it.

Nothing about cryptocurrencies is secure. They are the definition of not secure, there is no safety net whatsoever.


”Bruce Schneier said:
What blockchain does is shift some of the trust in people and institutions to trust in technology. You need to trust the cryptography, the protocols, the software, the computers and the network. And you need to trust them absolutely, because they’re often single points of failure.

When that trust turns out to be misplaced, there is no recourse. If your bitcoin exchange gets hacked, you lose all of your money. If your bitcoin wallet gets hacked, you lose all of your money. If you forget your login credentials, you lose all of your money. If there’s a bug in the code of your smart contract, you lose all of your money. If someone successfully hacks the blockchain security, you lose all of your money. In many ways, trusting technology is harder than trusting people. Would you rather trust a human legal system or the details of some computer code you don’t have the expertise to audit?

Do you need a public blockchain? The answer is almost certainly no. A blockchain probably doesn’t solve the security problems you think it solves. The security problems it solves are probably not the ones you have. (Manipulating audit data is probably not your major security risk.) A false trust in blockchain can itself be a security risk. The inefficiencies, especially in scaling, are probably not worth it. I have looked at many blockchain applications, and all of them could achieve the same security properties without using a blockchain—of course, then they wouldn’t have the cool name.

Honestly, cryptocurrencies are useless. They’re only used by speculators looking for quick riches, people who don’t like government-backed currencies, and criminals who want a black-market way to exchange money.

 

daveonezero

Banned
Nothing about cryptocurrencies is secure. They are the definition of not secure, there is no safety net whatsoever.
Right. People not being responsible are not secure. That doesn’t mean it is an insecure protocol. Not having a safety net is so idiots who put their coin in a central exchange are taking a risk that someone who has their keys may not give them back.

Explain your reasoning for this being not secure? When did SHA 256 encryption break?

Public private key encryption validated by the Bitcoin network is arguably the most powerful and secure computer network in existence.
 
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Dreamin

Member
crypto is extremely secure, central exchanges are not, they are and always have been a place of extreme manipulation. They were selling things they didn't own, it's exactly like brokers and banks, this didn't fuck up cause of crypto it fucked up because they didn't actually own the things they were selling, exactly like the stock market. You can check the financials of market makers, they have billions in securities sold but not yet bought. Selling shit they don't have... It's gonna be spun as an unregulated crypto issue then theyll release their own crypto which will be bullshit like fiat and have unlimited prints and manipulation behind the scenes.
Hold your own assets, don't give them to the rich, they'll gamble with your shit and use it against you.
 
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Dural

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I don't see how they could just say they're breaking the contract, Enron and the Astros came to an agreement after the Enron scandal to change the name of the stadium. They think they're just going to pocket the money and get rid of the branding?
 

Lasha

Member
A block chain is built on trust. That trust is from the network of computers that “agree” on transactions.

Making a government the only authority in trust ruins the whole thing.

They can not control a privacy focused crypto. Cryptonote and zero knowledge proofs can’t be destroyed.

Regulators couldn’t do anything even if they wanted. Short of shutting down the internet and confiscating all computers in the world.


You have the right idea. Blockchains are trustless. You don't need to interact with an intermediary like a bank or a central authority like a monetary authority to perform transactions. Blockchain loses much of its purposes once any trust is required since other ledgers are far more efficient.
 

Sybrix

Gold Member
One of the main reasons Crypto is invested in is the unregulated, non-FIAT, anti-government nature of it all, it's image is a bit rebel, a bit anti-establishment.

However you read things like this:

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you begin to understand that having a structured business model that is reinforced with regulation is amongst many things a type of safe-guarding when shit hits the fan.

A company worth billions has no records of decision making............... yet this company was getting millions and millions of dollars each day!!

I'm starting to loose sympathy with the people that lost money in FTX.
 
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Hot5pur

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Sam Harris had this guy on his podcast one time and the guy sounded so full of confidence and the fact that he was worth billions really made me think crypto was in a good place.
Yikes, what a situation, and really sucks for people who lost their money. I guess investing in the stock market is not that different but at least you invest in companies that have products and generate revenue. In this case you're investing directly into speculation about a made up asset.
 


Anyways, I never saw crypto being any kind of reasonable investment. Just a get rich quick scheme if you were the right person, at the right time, making the right manipulations.

Meanwhile one could invest their money safely, backed by the FIDC, so it's not possible to merely have your money stolen or defrauded by an "exchange" of intangible goods.

What is the context behind this meme?

Edit: Sorry for double post
 
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