VulcanRaven
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I might watch it. Its from the director of GoldenEye, Casino Royale and The Mask of Zorro.
Daisy Ridley is...Cleaner
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Von Hugh
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Nice.
Makoto-Yuki
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The Cockatrice
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Very few female stars managed to surprise me when it comes to action such as Charlize, but Daisy aint it chief. I just dont see it.
SJRB
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Charlize also has 10,000 times the screen presence and charisma compared to Daisy Ridley.
scoobidoo112
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Oh yeah, anyone see this? The new The Killer on....peacock? maybe? Just keep that streak going.....
Legit one of the worst movies I've seen in theaters this year.
And I like Natalie Emanuelle and went in with a positive attitude.
Stick with the original.
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The sequel should be the Washer.
efyu_lemonardo
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Wax on wax off motherfuckers!
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Eh, he's also the director of Green Lantern and some fairly formulaic actioners (The Protege, The Foreigner, and I've not seen Memory yet but reviews suggest it's mid) which is why this film is squarely in his wheelhouse but it's likely to be elevated in any particular way. Not sure the writing team is particularly inspired either. But who knows, I watch all this stuff anyway as at least the action choreography in this genre has hit a certain competent level, though the over use of CG gunplay threatens to ruin it.
Madflavor
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100lb female is unstoppable against 200lb+ men
I'm not exactly disagreeing with this sentiment, but it's weird how we're willing to suspend our disbelief if it's 1 dude beating up a bunch of other dudes at once, but if it's 1 chick beating a bunch of dudes, it's absurd. Both scenarios are very unlikely, it's just one is a bit harder than the other.
Even a trained 180lbs MMA fighter probably would not want to get into a street fight against 5 or 6 guys if they all attacked him at once. I can understand the "optics" of a small girl beating up a bunch of guys is ridiculous, but let's be real. A guy probably wouldn't either.
Not trying to make a statement or stand on a soap box. I just think it's a bit funny.
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INC
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Sure, and i don't disagree, I just hate how strong female characters are just Mary Sued in Hollywood for the sake of it
Some of my favourite movies ever have strong female characters, that don't pander to this, Riley, Sarah Conor, Clarice Starlin, The bride, furiosa etc etc
My opinion probably stems more from bias tbh, because I just can't stand daisey ridley, awful actor in even more awful star wars films
Daneel Elijah
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Most of the time they let the hero either get hurt or give him some trouble against a big guy. Or try to use the man physique, charisma or knowlege of martial arts to sell it. A trained 180lbs MMA fighter can't beat 5 or 6 guys, but he can at least try. If the woman can't at least seems to be clearly better than one dude, how can she beat half a dozen? I never got problems believing in actions scenes with woman who seems to know kung fu like Kelly hu.
Agreed, though these days they tend to do a better job showing the smaller, slighter woman using her body weight to take down guys or dodging and striking rather than just the toe to toe slugfest we used to get with the men. It's the "spaghetti noodle arm over head block of a massive hammer fist strike" bit that still persists and really grinds my gears.
I've been watching that chariot racing "Those who are about to Die" show and it has some fairly good fights, but then they fell for the typical "woman must win" bit and had this BRUTE of a guy, who has casually killed numerous characters in the show, suddenly be unable to end this small woman, despite punching her in the face 4-5 times, landing horrific body strikes, all that. As a narrative moment it still works because she might die and they wanted to drag out the fight, but in the context of the rest of the show it REALLY stands out when one person suddenly becomes a classic damage sponge. That stuff sorta works when its Arnold Schwarzeneggar or Stallone taking the punches, but when a 130 pound middle aged lady is taking bare knuckle strikes to the face from a 240 pound guy....nah man, that don't fly anymore.
IntentionalPun
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Love these kind of movies. Really just boils down to how well the star pulls off the action. Statham is king. Denzel probably 2nd; honestly Neeson isn't that great but he's at least a big dude.
Hopefully Ridley can pull it off but I have very serious doubts lol
Hopefully Ridley can pull it off but I have very serious doubts lol
mitch1971
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I'd take her dirty or clean.
ForAcademicPurposes
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This, is my BROOMSTICK!
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So bingo carding it...
"Move over Mr. Clean."
"Mr. Clean is a <insert derogatory term>
"Spotless"
"He left fingerprints on my windows!" explaining why she killed someone....
StueyDuck
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I don't think it's really that you can't suspend you disbelief for one over the other.
There have been plenty of great action flicks with women leads or sides kicking butt. Heck even Ana de armas made a bad bond movie good in that regard.
I feel what is letting these down is the choreography. Seeing a 5ft 2 100lb throwing fists and knocking out literal muscle men just looks stupid, movies learnt years ago that you make female actions scenes more acrobatic and more "graceful". Even something like black widow in iron man 2 is believable (even though it isn't really) because it was choreographed for a woman.
These days it always seems like choreography made for men and then they just drop a woman in instead and that's when the brain clicks and goes, this looks stupid, subconsciously.
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Cyberpunkd
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Jar Jar Binks?
IntentionalPun
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I don't even make it to any action scenes to see if Ridley did any good. Her accent is grating and the setup to the action bored me too much.
OmegaSupreme
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Daisy Ridley always struck me as a Kmart version of Keira knightley
Majima Everywhere System
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Pretty sure Martin Campbell makes the most watchable movies, so let's hold the Daisy Ridley stuff.
I bet you will like this movie!
I bet you will like this movie!
GymWolf
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Keira is a much better actress.
The one where she can hear the thoughts of men so all the women had to go into hiding? Yeah, it wasn't great.
It is not well liked. Some wonky scifi premise about toxic masculinity, never bothered.
It is not well liked. Some wonky scifi premise about toxic masculinity, never bothered.
I expected worse than that, honestly.
March Climber
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Just saw it today. It was okay. I'd put it on the same level as Skyscraper with Dwayne Johnson. Fun for people who like Die Hard-likes, but not memorable.
I would have rather had this movie be a version of Phone Booth or Buried, where the protagonist is stuck in one spot for the entire movie in a high stress situation.
StreetsofBeige
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Interestingly, if you look at Tom Holland and Ridley's careers. They are similar.
When they are put in big name movies (SW, Marvel, cartoon) they movies make tons of money selling themselves.
When they are in no name IPs and they are the lead, the movies make almost no money like nobody cares or even knows they are in a movie, since it's not SW or Spiderman or UC.
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March Climber
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This just speaks more towards Anthony Mackie's point about less and less 'superstars' being made over the years and more and more 'superheroes' being made instead.
That's because neither is a MOVIE STAR in the sense that folks go see THEM versus a character they play. Think about Arnold Schwarzeneggar. He has some really dogshit films but even the trash like Raw Deal is watchable because he has charisma and charm to carry it. But Tom and Daisy, along with most actors working today, are trumped up character actors at best, one-hit wonders that REALLY hit in something to carry them for a short career being more likely. Or, like Chris Hemsworth, are goofy actors trapped in the body of a greek god.
March Climber
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For Hemsworth I'd argue he found a new lane he was doing well in, Action, which was working well for him until he had that medical scare.
Angry_Megalodon
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The easy answer is that they are mediocre. Zero charisma and poor acting skills.
This is the modern Hollywood prototype: forgetable physically, mediocre performers, no aura at all.
In action movies, the suspension of disbelief works for Arnie, Bruce Willis or Keanu Reeves because they have presence. Daisy Ridley as MC in this role feels like a porn parody without porn.
StreetsofBeige
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Raw Deal isnt one of Arnie's best movies.... it has a weird way of constantly cutting from scene to scene. But on my stream box I got the Arnie channel which has his movies on 24/7. When Raw Deal is on, I watch it for the key fights and the hot milfy blonde. lol
But I agree with actor's charisma. Though he was getting old and I think all his movies 2000+ were crap, he had that god tier of movies from 80s to I'd say End of Days. I'll always stick by Jungle all the Way and end of Days being good movies though they got roasted. But he had some shit ones. Last Action Hero I never got through even though I tried a few times. But you put him on screen and he just sticks out as fun to watch even in bad movies.
Total Recall is my fav movie of all time. I've tried convincing people at work who never watched it to try it. Always got denied. lol
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Yeah, End of Days was probably the end of his stellar run, though I kinda like T3 and even Genesys. Stuff like Collateral Damage or Sixth Day COULD have been fun as 80's camp with a younger Arnie, but not him 50+ at that point and the film style of that era. I think he has had a little resurgence with Sabotage, Mandy, that Texas one, or the FUBAR show. Interesting that Stallone is doing the same with his end career. Those two can really have a battle with their film catalogues.
StreetsofBeige
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I never gave his 2000+ movies much of a chance as I only saw some of them. For me, once a TV show or movie dude I like starts going south I give up on it. I think the Texan one you mentioned is Last Stand. Never saw it. Saw Johnny Knoxville is in it and assumed it's a goofy action comedy movie. I might give Aftermath a try.
I did the same for Simpsons and Married with Children once I noticed I didnt like a season, I gave up rest of the series aside from occasionally dabbling watching an episode here and there. I watched every episode of Simpsons seasons 1-7 (8 was was tipping point). Seasons 9+ barely watched. MwC, up to season 6. Season 7+ barely watched.
Oberstein
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Exactly.
She was chosen because she looked like Natalie Portman. Boyega was a marketing choice, picked at random from a magazine. I'm actually surprised she's still trying to make it as an actress. The best she can do now is probably stick to Star Wars junk to keep living in a nice villa far from the middle class. That's every actor's dream, after all — a big house and multiple pools.
StreetsofBeige
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KrakenIPA
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Can you explain to me why you think Raw Deal is trash that is watchable because Arnie has charisma? Doesn't that movie have a who's who of 80's character actors, twisting plot lines, and a bitchin' soundtrack?
It has the line."You should not drink...and bake"
ONLY Arnie could EVER pull that off
HeisenbergFX4
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As someone who has been studying martial arts most of my life I can assure you I know several 100ish lb women that would curb stomp 90% of the men walking the face of the earth100lb female is unstoppable against 200lb+ men
The worst part I hate about those type of fight scenes are usually one guy at a time takes a guy at the single guy
If I am with 3 or 4 buddies and we are after one guy I am not standing there while he beats the crap out of us one at a time
Plus its amazing what one kick will do to a normal untrained dude
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HeisenbergFX4
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The guy with the video recorded a couple of those masked thugs harassing what looked like tourists and those thugs wanted the recording
Only reason I know that is I wanted the context of this as well since this was a random pop up in my YT feed
This can be true, IF these highly trained athletic warrior women were fighting the typical 200 pound schlubs off the street. But in these films they are almost ALWAYS fighting other fighters. I'm unaware of ANY women earning big bucks fighting larger men, or really men at all outside of kids leagues, exhibitions, or publicity stunts where a highly trained woman fights basically a schlub off the street. Find me a trained MALE fighter that does any shows where he fights women off the street.....that tells you all you need to know.
It's not that it can't happen, or that films shouldn't show it, but IF they do, they need to really really work on the physique of the actress (since she is the one selling it, not the stunt woman actually doing the moves), the choreography, and the value of the fight in the context of the story. Women trading haymaker punches to the face or full power sidekicks to the ribs with men, as is typical for male on male fights, is unrealistic. The usual "skinny fat" waif or worse, the pudgy doughy lady Hollywood tries to force on us, compounds these issues. Get me an athletic, toned, possibly even muscular woman and it can work, but alas the women in Hollywood do not put in the work on their bodies in the way the men do. They starve themselves and do tons of cardio (maybe) but don't hit the gym for the resistance training.