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Damn Apple.. (iPod)

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EmSeta

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I've had my 40 Gb iPod linked to my notebook PC since I got it (my PC doesn't have Firewire). So now I got a USB cable and connected it to my desktop PC. And what happens? God damned iTunes deletes all the songs I have on the iPod. And since I don't have a network between my notebook and desktop, transferring all those files will take ages. It was almost 10 Gb of music.
 

Ferrio

Banned
User error!

Did you make sure safely disconnect the device in windows before just pulling the damn plug?
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
^^

Even still, such an easy-to-do user error should not result in data loss.
 

Dilbert

Member
Actually, if memory serves, that is a "feature" in iTunes.

There isn't a good way to sync to two computers at once, unless you set both to manual sync. I wish that iTunes had a way to set the iPod configuration BEFORE you connected your iPod for the first time -- then you could be sure that you wouldn't nuke your music collection by switching PCs. It would be nice to, say, plug your iPod into your work PC so that you could stream your music collection over the LAN to your friends without having to copy data to your work PC. Oh well...time to write Apple and make a suggestion...
 

EmSeta

Member
No, it wasn't an error.. the iPod can only be linked to one computer because of DRM. But just let me KEEP the songs on the iPod, I don't have to copy them to my desktop PC.
 

xsarien

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DaCocoBrova said:
^^

Even still, such an easy-to-do user error should not result in data loss.

Data's not lost, it's just on his laptop. ;)

But there is a workaround, simply configuring iTunes to not boot when it detects an iPod - and also setting it to let you manage the iPod manually - will stop this from happening.
 

Phoenix

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bionic77 said:
Isn't there some 3rd party software that takes care of these problems?

Yes, there are plenty of solutions which solve the problem. Just go to ipodding or ipodlounge and watch the ads. Within like 5 refreshes you'll find one. Then look at their comparison list and go search out the others :D
 

EmSeta

Member
Actually, it's mostly "borrowed" from friends, at least not downloaded from the net. And that's legal in Sweden. :) So it's not illegal music per se.
 

shantyman

WHO DEY!?
Bottom line is you screwed up. You even knew it only links it with one library, meaning it synchs it up with your "linked" machine.

The real lesson here is always create a backup. You can't blame Apple for this one.
 

EmSeta

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ArcadeStickMonk said:
get firewire christdammit. why do you want to have two cables for transfer and recharge?

That feature is only available on Mac. I have 2 PCs.

shantyman said:
Bottom line is you screwed up. You even knew it only links it with one library, meaning it synchs it up with your "linked" machine.

The real lesson here is always create a backup. You can't blame Apple for this one.

Well I know what was happening, and that it was unavoidable. I simply think it's ridiculous that I couldn't keep the music on the iPod.
 

Anthropic

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This is why I manually manage my iPod library. It might be a little more work for me, but I don't risk erasing my iPod just because I plug in my iPod somewhere.
 

Jim Bowie

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Actually, I've been using the iPod on either the Mac or the PC for a while. The problem is that you had iTunes automatically update the iPod according to your iTunes list. Since your PC iTunes prolly didn't have anything in it, it deleted all of the files.

Sorry to hear about this, but next time make sure to uncheck the automatic update box.
 

Meier

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That's why you change your iPod to not auto-synch. Yeah it sucks and yeah it's a terrible feature, but that does allow you to use it on 2 computers and not worry about wiping your songs (also allows you to not have to store a ridiculous amount of mp3s on your HDD).
 
-jinx- said:
There isn't a good way to sync to two computers at once, unless you set both to manual sync. I wish that iTunes had a way to set the iPod configuration BEFORE you connected your iPod for the first time -- then you could be sure that you wouldn't nuke your music collection by switching PCs.

I think being able to switch to manual sync only after you auto sync on a computer for the first time on an iPod is Apple's 'way of fighting piracy' and therefore preventing music to be collected on 1 iPod from many computers so easily...you want some other computer's music on your iPod? Well you gotta dump the music you have from the other computer first before doing that...it seems that's what iTunes and the iPod are saying and enforcing =P

My brother-in-law and I are fearful of connecting our iPods to each other's computers because of that...therefore we can't get each other's music without dumping our own stuff in our iPod unless we copy our files to some other storage media then importing all that into our own iTunes (which is tedious if you're dealing with GBs of stuff).
 
EmSeta said:
[firewire] is only available on Mac.

Buddy, I have 2 iPods, one PC, and neither of them has ever touched USB. My Mobo has Firewire on it. My sound card has firewire on it. Even my brother's HP POS has front firewire.

If you only use a non-expandable laptop, then that's one thing, but if you have a PC, firewire is the better way to go, if only because your dock can actually be used for both purposes.


Also if you're only using a fourth of your current space, then simply back everything up to the iPod itself. So if iTunes or any other software ever gets funny on you, you can rebuild your whole library from any PC you can connect your ipod to.
 

Dilbert

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GamePnoy74 said:
I think being to switch to manual sync only after you auto sync on a computer for the first time is Apple's 'way of fighting piracy' and therefore preventing music to be collected on 1 iPod from many computers so easily...you want some other computer's music on your iPod? Well you gotta dump the music you have from the other computer first before doing that...it seems that's what iTunes and the iPod are saying and enforcing =P

My brother-in-law and I are fearful of connecting our iPods to each other's computers because of that...therefore we can't get each other's music without dumping our own stuff in our iPod unless we copy our files to some other storage media then importing all that into our own iTunes (which is tedious if you're dealing with GBs of stuff).
If that is the intention, it's too bad that the authorization scheme doesn't work more like the one they use for determining if your downloaded songs from the iTunes Music Store can be played. You could designate a particular PC as your "home machine," and your iPod would only sync with that one. You could, however, use any other PC running iTunes to play the contents of your iPod.
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
If you only use a non-expandable laptop, then that's one thing, but if you have a PC, firewire is the better way to go, if only because your dock can actually be used for both purposes.

Uhh... Laptops have these nifty slots on them called PCMCIA.

He could just get a firewire card.
 

EmSeta

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ArcadeStickMonk said:
Buddy, I have 2 iPods, one PC, and neither of them has ever touched USB. My Mobo has Firewire on it. My sound card has firewire on it. Even my brother's HP POS has front firewire.

If you only use a non-expandable laptop, then that's one thing, but if you have a PC, firewire is the better way to go, if only because your dock can actually be used for both purposes.


Also if you're only using a fourth of your current space, then simply back everything up to the iPod itself. So if iTunes or any other software ever gets funny on you, you can rebuild your whole library from any PC you can connect your ipod to.

Read the quote right.. I meant CHARGING through firewire is only available through mac. If you read my original post, you'll see that I've been using firewire with my laptop.
 

Dilbert

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EmSeta said:
Read the quote right.. I meant CHARGING through firewire is only available through mac. If you read my original post, you'll see that I've been using firewire with my laptop.
Ah...got it.

Actually, you can charge through 6-pin FireWire on a PC as well. Laptops tend to only have the 4-pin FW connection, which does NOT charge FW devices.

Case solved.
 

DJ Sl4m

Member
DaCocoBrova said:
^^

Even still, such an easy-to-do user error should not result in data loss.

No doubt iTiunes and the iPod both have issues, but I'm hoping Apple fixes some soon.
It sucks trying to copy and paste an entire dir to the iPod with iTunes since it doesn't allow dragging an entire dir with one swipe, I have to click each song 1 at a time :(


BTW: I always charge my iPod through my PC's 6pin firewire port off of my external creative controller.
 
DJ Sl4m said:
No doubt iTiunes and the iPod both have issues, but I'm hoping Apple fixes some soon.
It sucks trying to copy and paste an entire dir to the iPod with iTunes since it doesn't allow dragging an entire dir with one swipe, I have to click each song 1 at a time

Shift clicking doesn't apply at all?

If these programs give you guys trouble due to the fact that you only want to use or sync part of your collecton, then you might think about doing what I do. I don't let anything on my Pods unless the tags are perfect, but i haven't yet tagged everything nor will I ever. What I do is split my music directory in two with "sorted" and "unsorted" sides.

WMP, Xplay, iTunes, whatever, all deal with the sorted section only. I yet to see a utility that did not let you define where the syncronization comes from.


Also, even though I've now dropped it, Xplay can be used to drag and drop files to your iPod any damn way you want: Explorer, WMP(10 is broken right now), even the Send-To function. I put a link to Xplay's iPod directory in my Send-To folder and then I can just right click on a file, group of files, or folder and have it sent right on in. Xplay, isn't free, but if you know how to use it, it's pretty slick.
 

DJ Sl4m

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ArcadeStickMonk said:
Shift clicking doesn't apply at all?

If these programs give you guys trouble due to the fact that you only want to use or sync part of your collecton, then you might think about doing what I do. I don't let anything on my Pods unless the tags are perfect, but i haven't yet tagged everything nor will I ever. What I do is split my music directory in two with "sorted" and "unsorted" sides.

WMP, Xplay, iTunes, whatever, all deal with the sorted section only. I yet to see a utility that did not let you define where the syncronization comes from.


Also, even though I've now dropped it, Xplay can be used to drag and drop files to your iPod any damn way you want: Explorer, WMP(10 is broken right now), even the Send-To function. I put a link to Xplay's iPod directory in my Send-To folder and then I can just right click on a file, group of files, or folder and have it sent right on in. Xplay, isn't free, but if you know how to use it, it's pretty slick.

Pressing the control button and dragging the mouse across the screen trying to copy them several or most at once isn't an option, which is the biggest problem I see with iTunes right now.

*EDIT* I just tried shift clicking and yes, you're right that does work.
Thanks for the tip, if you only knew how much time that will save me.
(I store all my music 200 gigs worth on my hdd's in wave form for remixing purposes, so storing everything in acc is not going to happen.

You rock man, that's going to help so much in the future.
 

Timbuktu

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i don't understand what problems you people are having with iTunes/iPod. It doesn't take that long to copy your songs from your PC to your iPod again even if you had your iPod wiped. iTunes can also just update selected playlists, so there's no reason to drag and drop. If you want to transfer songs from computer to computer, then can't you just use the iPod as a hd? Then if you want to, you can have put the iTunes library on iPod and have the iPod copy onto itself. You will have two copies of the songs on your iPod, but then you can take it to any PC and it'll play.
 
Dj Sl4m:

I'm glad I could help, but I don't understand why you had a problem in the first place. It's possible that my version of iTunes is newer, but i don't see any standard Windows dragging tricks that don't work.

Plus, with the way iTunes and all current media players handle ID tags, all the MP3s from the same artist or album should have been able to be moved as a whole anyway. Click on the eye in the top right if you've never seen the genre\artist\album frames.

The only way I can understand you not being able to throw everything on in one easy stroke is if you have all your MP3s in one massive directory, and the ID tags are messed up. Without knowledge of the shift-click, then, yeah, you'd be control clicking each one to add it to a group.

But... even then you could do it once and make a playlist, and then let iTunes synch only with that playlist.

Well, anyway, enjoy
 
Timbuktu said:
You will have two copies of the songs on your iPod, but then you can take it to any PC and it'll play.

You can do this one function with only one copy of the songs on the iPod. When you want to play a certain album or artist, just search the iPod for the keyword and then play in your choice of media player. If you've been lazy on your filenames, then this doesn't work nearly as well, though.
 
I thought it always pops up asking you if you want to relink it to the current library?

Does for me anyhoo, and I just click No.
 
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