hey_monkey
Banned
I'm fine with lynching both. But I think I'd prefer lynching CM first. I can't explain his behavior from a pro-town perspective. Can you, really?
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Dark Souls Mafia |OT| Git Gud or Die Trying
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isaacnukem
Member
What, why? We lynch Stan, he comes up scum, then we know CM isn't lying. We'll get an update on the fourth day, right?
We lynch CM, she turns up town. What does that leave us? Uncertainty that she might not be who she claimed she was. She turns up scum? What does that leave us with Stan? Bananas.
hey_monkey
Banned
CM is a he.
Why is CM inherently more believable than Stan? They both lied but it was CM who outed a PR.
Why is CM inherently more believable than Stan? They both lied but it was CM who outed a PR.
oreomunsta
Banned
Hey all! Back in the groove today now, after sleeping nearly the whole weekend and a few family events.
So, the past few hours of catching up have been a rinse and repeat of me doing
Even after logging in the actions of others in this game, I still don't know what the fuck to make of this.
I think the knot we have to unravel is this Stanley-CM knot. Someone is lying, and as shitty as CM's gambit was for misleading town and ousting the real cop, Stan's kind of fucked up by claiming everything under the sun
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As per the description of the hyptonist, the person who's hypnotized only needs to make a clear statement of their alignment. This does not exclude usage of clear statements that are lies of other roles. So, as long as Stan makes one mention of something like "I am ___", then he meets his criteria. He could sling mud all over it by claiming everything else, but why do that?
I'm ready to vote Stan
Vote: StanleyPalmtree
So, the past few hours of catching up have been a rinse and repeat of me doing
Even after logging in the actions of others in this game, I still don't know what the fuck to make of this.
I think the knot we have to unravel is this Stanley-CM knot. Someone is lying, and as shitty as CM's gambit was for misleading town and ousting the real cop, Stan's kind of fucked up by claiming everything under the sun
WHICH WE SHALL PRAISE
As per the description of the hyptonist, the person who's hypnotized only needs to make a clear statement of their alignment. This does not exclude usage of clear statements that are lies of other roles. So, as long as Stan makes one mention of something like "I am ___", then he meets his criteria. He could sling mud all over it by claiming everything else, but why do that?
I'm ready to vote Stan
Vote: StanleyPalmtree
hey_monkey
Banned
A+ gif selection. Glad you're feeling better!
But I'm just not on the page with y'all. I've been a rebel before; I'll be a rebel now.
vote: Christina Mackenzie
Stan may be scum or Stan may just be Stan, but CM lied, outed a town PR, and refused to be straight with anyone. I can't call that pro-town.
But I'm just not on the page with y'all. I've been a rebel before; I'll be a rebel now.
vote: Christina Mackenzie
Stan may be scum or Stan may just be Stan, but CM lied, outed a town PR, and refused to be straight with anyone. I can't call that pro-town.
hey_monkey
Banned
And while Stan's reactions are certainly weird, I see no reason to believe CM, and worse, CM hasn't really given us any reason to believe him.
Muffin1611
Banned
Literally all Stan had to do was NOT to claim Darkwraith, jokingly or otherwise. He did. I see no scenario in which he does that while not being hypnotized. Why would you fuck it up so much as town for yourself? This means Stan is either Scum or so anti-town that he rather delibaretely confuses all of town than trying to solve the situation.
CMs claim is in the room, but we cant know if it's true one way or another.
oreomunsta
Banned
To further elaborate on what I think about all that's happened.
CM's initial fake PR claim is shitty, and very anti-town behaviour because the only way to reasonably disprove it is to have the real cop come out and claim their PR. Scum now has a few special town targets in sight with CM and Trigger :/ It's now not in scum's best interest to let Trigger live through the night, PR or not
Trigger, I would say, also goofed just as hard as CM did by answering CM's bluff. He's now ousted himself as a lynch candidate, which assuming he's town, is not good for town PR or not. By maintaining ambiguity between town/neutral, there's a slight chance that scum could try to NK the neutral, and save a townie in the process. On top of that, claiming to be the cop after not finding a red check hurts town's chances much more than having a red check in hand
CM's initial fake PR claim is shitty, and very anti-town behaviour because the only way to reasonably disprove it is to have the real cop come out and claim their PR. Scum now has a few special town targets in sight with CM and Trigger :/ It's now not in scum's best interest to let Trigger live through the night, PR or not
Trigger, I would say, also goofed just as hard as CM did by answering CM's bluff. He's now ousted himself as a lynch candidate, which assuming he's town, is not good for town PR or not. By maintaining ambiguity between town/neutral, there's a slight chance that scum could try to NK the neutral, and save a townie in the process. On top of that, claiming to be the cop after not finding a red check hurts town's chances much more than having a red check in hand
oreomunsta
Banned
hey_monkey, I agree with you that what CM did is reaallly shitty for any townie to do, but they've put themselves in the crossfire. If his new gambit with Stanley doesn't work out, it's his ass on the line.
He shouldn't be voted on for this gambit, necessarily, because this gambit determines his fate, too. It's not great when town gets pulled along for a ride, but based on how Stanley reacted to all this, this is the best thread we have to follow
He shouldn't be voted on for this gambit, necessarily, because this gambit determines his fate, too. It's not great when town gets pulled along for a ride, but based on how Stanley reacted to all this, this is the best thread we have to follow
oreomunsta
Banned
Oh yeah, on the offhand, kits gets late props for giving the acronym S.C.U.M.R.E.A.D a wicked name
And Christina Mac, I hope you don't mind if I don't run the numbers for your hypothetical of "Scum being 1 down. Likelihood of scummies doubling down on ridiculous PR claim hoping that cop is already dead from the 4 dead players". It's bad, really bad. Bad enough for scum to hail-mary it? I dunno :/
And Christina Mac, I hope you don't mind if I don't run the numbers for your hypothetical of "Scum being 1 down. Likelihood of scummies doubling down on ridiculous PR claim hoping that cop is already dead from the 4 dead players". It's bad, really bad. Bad enough for scum to hail-mary it? I dunno :/
hey_monkey
Banned
Oh man, I agree. Stan dun goofed. But I think if we kill him today and we get one scum reported tomorrow, we don't know who it is for sure. And frankly Stan making jokes is NAI. Stan is good at getting himself killed.
But I expect I will lose this fight. I honestly don't know who's right. I don't have much reason to believe either CM or Stan.
Oreo: the claim and counter also puts Vere and I in a position that's not so great. As much as I'm like yay, green check, that's also a target for us, especially since no one seems to question Trigger. No reason to. So he's confirmed also. So now we have 2-4 potential mostly confirmed town on the board, depending on lies. And scum won't like town knowing town. All over CM's fake claim.
I'm going to bed. What a phase this has been.
oreomunsta
Banned
Wouldn't say that, necessarily. There's just bigger fish to fry right now. We may lose a significant number of townies, but if we can catch one or two anti-town, then at the very least town is achieving its goal... We're not going for the long game anymore, since No-Lynch didn't happen
Word on this day being something else entirely, though!
I have no freaking idea. Thank god you mentioned how out ofntouch her play is.
I dont wajt to throw shade bjt i cant comprehend how anyone would tunnel so hard on a player if he or she had looked over the game.
I really dont know. For now i chose to ignore since it wont be bringing us any closer to solving this mess.
Well said.
flatearthpandas
Member
Guys we're not going to logic out CM today. I wouldn't be surprised to see a bunch of us blow up from the neutral today either.
What we know for sure is that scum didn't find the neutral because they have successfully killed both nights. That rules out CM being scum and baiting us into killing the neutral while revealing town prs in trade. Whatever CM was doing, it wasn't that. But with an ignite possibly coming, now isn't the time to be plotting future lynches.
As muffin said, all Stan had to do was not fucking claim scum after anyone accused him of being hypnotized, even if there were competing claims (which there weren't). It is absolute madness if we don't lynch him today. If he is town we ought to be angry with him after the game but not lynching him is just insanity.
Monkey, congrats on your red flag for the CM vote.
What we know for sure is that scum didn't find the neutral because they have successfully killed both nights. That rules out CM being scum and baiting us into killing the neutral while revealing town prs in trade. Whatever CM was doing, it wasn't that. But with an ignite possibly coming, now isn't the time to be plotting future lynches.
As muffin said, all Stan had to do was not fucking claim scum after anyone accused him of being hypnotized, even if there were competing claims (which there weren't). It is absolute madness if we don't lynch him today. If he is town we ought to be angry with him after the game but not lynching him is just insanity.
Monkey, congrats on your red flag for the CM vote.
flatearthpandas
Member
If I survive the night, everyone who has even hinted about not lynching Stan is in the crosshairs. This is going back to D1 "we just don't need these people" mentality.
CM was anti-town as fuck but no-one has countered the hypnotist claim. Stanley, being the target of it, claimed scum. As in, the one thing this power would force scum to do and no one else. No matter how much you don't trust CM, this is the most blatantly anti-town thing to happen in the entire game. There is no argument.
CM was anti-town as fuck but no-one has countered the hypnotist claim. Stanley, being the target of it, claimed scum. As in, the one thing this power would force scum to do and no one else. No matter how much you don't trust CM, this is the most blatantly anti-town thing to happen in the entire game. There is no argument.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
DAY 3 CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
StanleyPalmtree (5) 2 more votes to majority
Christina Mackenzie 904
flatearthpandas 906 993
Verelios 924 999
kitsunelaine 968 1054
isaacnukem 1090
flatearthpandas 1122
Sawneeks 1136
oreomunsta 1155
Christina Mackenzie (3)
Trigger 995
rac 1034 1100
StanleyPalmtree 1104
hey_monkey 1156
nin1000 (1)
kitsunelaine 956 968
StanleyPalmtree 972 1104
kitsunelaine 1054
rac (0):hey_monkey 880 912
No active vote for Day 3: Muffin1611, nin1000, rac (has previously voted), Verelios (has previously voted)
Day 3 Postcount: Christina Mackenzie 16, flatearthpandas 26, hey_monkey 68, isaacnukem 7, kitsunelaine 10, Muffin1611 21, nin1000 15, oreomunsta 7, rac 37, Sawneeks 21, StanleyPalmtree 18, Trigger 8, Verelios 30
Day 3 ends:
Automated vote tally here
7 votes for majority
StanleyPalmtree (5) 2 more votes to majority
Christina Mackenzie 904
isaacnukem 1090
flatearthpandas 1122
Sawneeks 1136
oreomunsta 1155
Christina Mackenzie (3)
Trigger 995
StanleyPalmtree 1104
hey_monkey 1156
nin1000 (1)
kitsunelaine 1054
rac (0):
No active vote for Day 3: Muffin1611, nin1000, rac (has previously voted), Verelios (has previously voted)
Day 3 Postcount: Christina Mackenzie 16, flatearthpandas 26, hey_monkey 68, isaacnukem 7, kitsunelaine 10, Muffin1611 21, nin1000 15, oreomunsta 7, rac 37, Sawneeks 21, StanleyPalmtree 18, Trigger 8, Verelios 30
Day 3 ends:
Automated vote tally here
7 votes for majority
isaacnukem
Member
What if CM is scum, Stan doesn't want to be in the game anymore, and this is an elaborate ploy and the hypnotist is not saying anything unlike Trigger? They got the cop now. Or maybe Trigger is also scum.
- Synopsis of Dark Souls Mafia:
I Have No Flips And I Must Lynch
- Synopsis of Dark Souls Mafia:
I Have No Flips And I Must Lynch
hey_monkey
Banned
I mean, that's fine. You do what you gotta do, but I would have to be the dumbest scum ever to be so blatantly defending Stan if Stan is scum. And I find it irresponsible not to argue the possibilities. I mean, it's obvious that Stan is gonna get lynched today. And I'm certainly not saying Stan isn't scum. The fact that Stan didn't come back and say NO THAT WAS A JOKE I'M NOT A DARKWRAITH or anything else means you're probably right. And he certainly hasn't done anything pro-town to defend himself. But that's not going to stop me from arguing CM's fuckery because I find that a really essential point since it was total fuckery.
And maybe I'm totally wrong. It happens. Maybe it's my relative inexperience but of the two, I find CM's move - and his disappearance after, knowing he has stirred up all of this - much more anti-town. Stan knew he was gonna die immediately after the red check. That's the GAFia way. You kill the red check, which then here became the hypnotist target after the fake claim was outed. I don't have that automatic reaction. Maybe I should. I don't know what else to tell you. I've got the actions on a balance scale and the timing of lynching CM first because of how flips are done makes more sense to me.
I just want someone to tell me what we do if we get the result tomorrow and it's one scum/one not scum. Was it Stan? Was it CornBurrito? What do we do next? We can't plan too much because the arsonist is in play (unless it was Corn, I guess, but that seems like a longshot).
So I'll just leave all this here:
What do we do if we don't know after we get the pseudo flips?
What do we do if CM is the godfather?
Are the odds stronger that townCM would happen upon scumStan and then just botch the execution or that scumCM would try to out PRs?
i wish this was an easy stan claims everything and then the hypnotist comes out and reveals what's going on, or not didn't really need to reveal at all
but w/e we gotta play with the cards we're dealt
if you are saying let's vote cm because what he did was so anti-town, stan only compounds it
as much as we can all hate the cop claim the day still isn't fucked unless stanley doesn't joke about being every alignment
as much as i hate that im giving cm control of the conversation i see no other play
best case scenario stan is scum
Vote: StanleyPalmtree
i hope cm isn't the real hypnotist, and the real one uses their power tonight and gets to out cm tomorrow and that to me would be worth a stan lynch today
but w/e we gotta play with the cards we're dealt
if you are saying let's vote cm because what he did was so anti-town, stan only compounds it
as much as we can all hate the cop claim the day still isn't fucked unless stanley doesn't joke about being every alignment
as much as i hate that im giving cm control of the conversation i see no other play
best case scenario stan is scum
Vote: StanleyPalmtree
i hope cm isn't the real hypnotist, and the real one uses their power tonight and gets to out cm tomorrow and that to me would be worth a stan lynch today
Christina Mackenzie
Member
hey_monkey
Banned
This is who y'all are trusting.
Christina Mackenzie
Member
Alright, going to be serious in a bit, still catching up.
Muffin1611
Banned
I dont know where we are with the votes.
Asked for a voting update
Everything has been said from my pov. I agree that CM is also a huge pain in towns bottom atm and giving him another night to do whatever he is doing is just irking me the wrong way.
For now
Vote: StanleyPalmtree
Would love to hear more from kits.
Other than being passive agressive and tunneling on a poor soul she has done a lot of not even reading through the game.
Asked for a voting update
Everything has been said from my pov. I agree that CM is also a huge pain in towns bottom atm and giving him another night to do whatever he is doing is just irking me the wrong way.
For now
Vote: StanleyPalmtree
Would love to hear more from kits.
Other than being passive agressive and tunneling on a poor soul she has done a lot of not even reading through the game.
Muffin1611
Banned
Did you guys just turbo
Seriously
Seriously
hey_monkey
Banned
sure fucking did
Muffin1611
Banned
There's a vote count right there nin, on this page
Its not about trust. I dont trust anyone.
The only thing i trust is kits's ability to tunnel.
The thing is both of them have to go. The question is who is dying first.
I am flexible and could happily switch my vote.
If people change their votes, so will i
hey_monkey
Banned
town read meter on nin just dropped real far
Muffin1611
Banned
That doesn't work nin, day's over the moment you turboed
Put me into the dumbass category. It suits me faar better
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Day has ended
Your gamerunner will deliver result shortly. No more posts, please. Thank you.
Your gamerunner will deliver result shortly. No more posts, please. Thank you.
AWAIT THE CANADIAN
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
DAY 3 FINAL VOTE TALLY:
StanleyPalmtree (7) voted out by majority
Christina Mackenzie 904
flatearthpandas 906 993
Verelios 924 999
kitsunelaine 968 1054
isaacnukem 1090
flatearthpandas 1122
Sawneeks 1136
oreomunsta 1155
rac 1172
nin1000 1178
Christina Mackenzie (3)
Trigger 995
rac 1034 1100
StanleyPalmtree 1104
hey_monkey 1156
nin1000 (1)
kitsunelaine 956 968
StanleyPalmtree 972 1104
kitsunelaine 1054
rac (0):hey_monkey 880 912
No active vote for Day 3: Muffin1611, Verelios (has previously voted)
Day 3 Postcount: Christina Mackenzie 18, flatearthpandas 26, hey_monkey 72, isaacnukem 8, kitsunelaine 10, Muffin1611 25, nin1000 20, oreomunsta 7, rac 40, Sawneeks 21, StanleyPalmtree 18, Trigger 8, Verelios 30
StanleyPalmtree (7) voted out by majority
Christina Mackenzie 904
isaacnukem 1090
flatearthpandas 1122
Sawneeks 1136
oreomunsta 1155
rac 1172
nin1000 1178
Christina Mackenzie (3)
Trigger 995
StanleyPalmtree 1104
hey_monkey 1156
nin1000 (1)
kitsunelaine 1054
rac (0):
No active vote for Day 3: Muffin1611, Verelios (has previously voted)
Day 3 Postcount: Christina Mackenzie 18, flatearthpandas 26, hey_monkey 72, isaacnukem 8, kitsunelaine 10, Muffin1611 25, nin1000 20, oreomunsta 7, rac 40, Sawneeks 21, StanleyPalmtree 18, Trigger 8, Verelios 30
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
...
vote: nin1000
vote: nin1000
had to get one last one in.
Day 3 has ended
Just like those before him, StanleyPalmtree was helped onto the fire, the failure of the first sacrifice long forgotten.
Was this ever really the way to strengthen the flame?
Perhaps those who send others to be burned alive are more interested in perpetuating the ritual.
Maybe they are more interested in hearing the sizzle and pop of skin and flesh than strengthening the flame.
StanleyPalmtree has died.
Night 3 ends:
All night actions must be submitted 2 hours before night end.
Just like those before him, StanleyPalmtree was helped onto the fire, the failure of the first sacrifice long forgotten.
Was this ever really the way to strengthen the flame?
Perhaps those who send others to be burned alive are more interested in perpetuating the ritual.
Maybe they are more interested in hearing the sizzle and pop of skin and flesh than strengthening the flame.
StanleyPalmtree has died.
Night 3 ends:
All night actions must be submitted 2 hours before night end.
Day 4 begins.
A haze of smoke and a smell not entirely unlike overcooked chicken or perhaps bacon fills the air.
Two charred husks lie on the ground, their humanity stolen and burned from the inside out.
Their rictus grins frozen in withered charcoal are difficult to identify but after some time it becomes clear that they used to be melonrabbit and Trigger.
Verelios Is also missing. Following the trail of blood from where he sleeps leads to the nearby decorative bottomless pit.
Surrounded by death and despair, at least there is some small comfort as the flame seems just that little bit stronger now than it did before.
melonrabbit and Trigger were killed by the Arsonist
Verelios was killed by the Darkwraiths
There is 1 dead anti-town player
Day 4 ends:
Up to date vote counts can be found here
A haze of smoke and a smell not entirely unlike overcooked chicken or perhaps bacon fills the air.
Two charred husks lie on the ground, their humanity stolen and burned from the inside out.
Their rictus grins frozen in withered charcoal are difficult to identify but after some time it becomes clear that they used to be melonrabbit and Trigger.
Verelios Is also missing. Following the trail of blood from where he sleeps leads to the nearby decorative bottomless pit.
Surrounded by death and despair, at least there is some small comfort as the flame seems just that little bit stronger now than it did before.
melonrabbit and Trigger were killed by the Arsonist
Verelios was killed by the Darkwraiths
There is 1 dead anti-town player
Day 4 ends:
Up to date vote counts can be found here
hey_monkey
Banned
Welp, I guess the doctor is dead. :/ Who was the scum in all that? Stan? melon, who I hope didn't work too hard to catch up (yikes!), Corn, someone else?
RIP Vere.
Two scum and an arsonist left.
RIP Vere.
Two scum and an arsonist left.
hey_monkey
Banned
Biggest question on the table for me (besides who the scum was in all that): the timing of nin's turbo vote, right when CM said he was about to get serious. Actual mistake or no?
hey_monkey
Banned
Yeah, killing Vere and leaving me sets me up for suspicion, especially with FEP and kits prepared to yell at me today. Oh well.
Oh! I guess I was wrong tho? The doctor wouldn't have had an effect against the arsonist, eh? Right? Some of the mechanics things I'm still sticky on. I hope they are still alive and staying secret.
Oh! I guess I was wrong tho? The doctor wouldn't have had an effect against the arsonist, eh? Right? Some of the mechanics things I'm still sticky on. I hope they are still alive and staying secret.
oreomunsta
Banned
Okay, that's a lot of townies
In order to avoid WIFOM madness, should we agree on who was most likely the scum, and proceed from there?
I think from Stan's behavior, he's my pick as the most likely scum. Does anyone else disagree?
In order to avoid WIFOM madness, should we agree on who was most likely the scum, and proceed from there?
I think from Stan's behavior, he's my pick as the most likely scum. Does anyone else disagree?
hey_monkey
Banned
That seems to have been the general consensus re Stan. I really wish had heard from CM.
Be careful with votes. Majority is what now, five? With two scum in play.
Be careful with votes. Majority is what now, five? With two scum in play.