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Dawkins triumphs over creationists - No creationism allowed in UK science classrooms

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Korey

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Guardian: Richard Dawkins celebrates a victory over creationists

Leading scientists and naturalists, including Professor Richard Dawkins and Sir David Attenborough, are claiming a victory over the creationist movement after the government ratified measures that will bar anti-evolution groups from teaching creationism in science classes.

The Department for Education has revised its model funding agreement, allowing the education secretary to withdraw cash from schools that fail to meet strict criteria relating to what they teach. Under the new agreement, funding will be withdrawn for any free school that teaches what it claims are "evidence-based views or theories" that run "contrary to established scientific and/or historical evidence and explanations".

The British Humanist Association (BHA), which has led a campaign against creationism – the movement that denies Darwinian evolution and claims that the Earth and all its life was created by God – described the move as "highly significant" and predicted that it would have implications for other faith groups looking to run schools.

Dawkins, who was one of the leading lights in the campaign, welcomed confirmation that creationists would not receive funding to run free schools if they sought to portray their views as science. "I welcome all moves to ensure that creationism is not taught as fact in schools," he said. "Government rules on this are extremely welcome, but they need to be properly enforced."

Free schools, which are state-funded and run by local people or organisations, do not need to follow the national curriculum. Scientific groups have expressed concerns that their spread will see a reduction in the teaching of evolution in the classroom.

Several creationist groups have expressed an interest in opening schools in towns and cities across England, including Bedford, Barnsley, Sheffield and Nottingham. Critics say they seek to promote creationism, or the doctrine of "intelligent design", as a scientific theory rather than as a myth or metaphor.

One creationist organisation, Truth in Science, which encourages teachers to incorporate intelligent design into their science teaching, has sent free resources to all secondary schools and sixth-form colleges.

A BHA campaign, called "Teach evolution, not creationism", saw 30 leading scientists and educators call on the government to introduce statutory guidance against the teaching of creationism. The group said if the government would not support the call, an explicit amendment to the wording of the funding agreement could have the same effect. Last week the Department for Education confirmed it had amended the agreement, although a spokesman denied it was the result of pressure from scientists. He said the revision made good on a pledge regarding the teaching of creationism given when the education secretary, Michael Gove, was in opposition. "We will not accept any academy or free school proposal which plans to teach creationism in the science curriculum or as an alternative to accepted scientific theories," the spokesman said, adding that "all free school proposals will be subject to due diligence checks by the department's specialist team".

The revised funding agreement has been seized upon by anti-creationists who are pressing for wider concessions from the government.

"It is clear that some faith schools are ignoring the regulations and are continuing to teach myth as though it were science," Dawkins said. "Evolution is fact, supported by evidence from a host of scientific disciplines, and we do a great disservice to our young people if we fail to teach it properly. "

A spokeswoman for the BHA said: "The government's new wording is quite wide and in practice could prevent those who promote extreme religious or particular spiritual or pseudoscientific approaches from including them as part of the school curriculum as science or as evidence-based."


Government takes action to combat creationism in free schools

The Government has taken steps to ensure that creationism and "intelligent design" is not taught in free schools.

The Department for Education (DfE) has amended the model funding agreement which provides the framework within which the free schools operate. The new clause states:

The Academy Trust shall not make provision in the context of any subject for the teaching, as an evidence-based view or theory, of any view or theory that is contrary to established scientific and/or historical evidence and explanations.

A statement later released by the DfE clarified this:

No school, free or otherwise, will ever be allowed to teach creationism instead of valid and thoroughly evidenced scientific theories.

The Education Secretary has been crystal clear that teaching creationism as scientific fact is wrong. He will not accept any academy or free school proposal which plans to teach creationism in the science curriculum.

All free school proposals are subject to due diligence checks by the new specialist unit within the Department for Education to ensure that people that are setting up the school are suitable.

Valid and thoroughly evidenced scientific theories, such as evolution, will always be the foundation of science teaching in all schools in England.

Stephen Evans, Campaigns Manager at the National Secular Society commented: "Last year the DfE gave assurances to the National Secular Society that groups advocating creationism as a scientific theory would have their free school applications turned down. We are naturally very pleased that they have now delivered on their promise. This latest development sends a clear message to all schools that there is no place for the promotion or teaching of creationism or 'intelligent design' in the classroom."

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From the outset, the National Secular Society warned that the Government's "free school" programme could open the doors to extremists. The Government now appears to have realised this and taken steps to remedy the situation.

Undeterred however, the Evangelical Everyday Champions church based around creationism which had its free school application rejected by the DfE last year has returned with a new proposal under the guise of the Exemplar Academy. The Academy website says "a new team has been working hard on a New Free School proposal for Newark building on all that the Department for Education liked about the 2011 Everyday Champions proposal" – which presumably means they will be keeping their creationist ideas quiet this time around.


Summary:

This story applies to a new system in Britain called "free schools". Creationism is already not allowed in regular public schools.

From what I understand, "free schools" are state-funded private schools in England, and while they don't have to follow the exact same curriculum, they still have to follow standards set by the Department of Education. This system just started a few months ago.

So the BHA organization, Dawkins, and other prominent atheists were worried that these schools were a stealth workaround for religious groups to sneak creationism into the classroom (their suspicions were correct, if you read the bottom of the second article). They campaigned for the Department of Education to do something, and now the state will cut funding to any school that tries to teach creationism.

The Department of Education states bluntly "No school, free or otherwise, will ever be allowed to teach creationism instead of valid and thoroughly evidenced scientific theories."

This is a huge win for atheists, secularists, and humanity!

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For those wondering about the status of creationism in American classrooms: "In the United States, the Supreme Court has ruled the teaching of creationism as science in public schools to be unconstitutional. In the United States, intelligent design has been presented as an alternative explanation to evolution in recent decades, but its "demonstrably religious, cultural, and legal missions" have been ruled unconstitutional by a lower court." (Wikipedia, second source)
 

Veidt

Blasphemer who refuses to accept bagged milk as his personal savior
I know of no public schools which teach creationism.
 

Ashes

Banned
Wiki!


United Kingdom

In each of the countries of the United Kingdom, there is an agreed syllabus for religious education with the right of parents to withdraw their children from these lessons. The religious education syllabus does not involve teaching creationism, but rather teaching the central tenets of major world faiths.[78] At the same time, the teaching of evolution is compulsory in publicly funded schools. For instance, the National Curriculum for England requires that students at Key Stage 4 (14-16) be taught:
that the fossil record is evidence for evolution
how variation and selection may lead to evolution or to extinction.

Similar requirements exist in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

In 2003 the Emmanuel Schools Foundation (previously the Vardy Foundation after its founder, Sir Peter Vardy) sponsored a number of "faith-based" academies where evolution and creationist ideas would be taught side-by-side in science classes. This caused a considerable amount of controversy.

The Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams, leader of the Church of England, has expressed his view that creationism should not be taught in schools.[79][80]

An organisation calling itself Truth in Science has distributed teaching packs of creationist information to schools, and claims that fifty-nine schools are using the packs as "a useful classroom resource".[81] The government has stated that "Neither intelligent design nor creationism are recognised scientific theories and they are not included in the science curriculum. The Truth in Science information pack is therefore not an appropriate resource to support the science curriculum." It is arranging to communicate this message directly to schools.[82]

The efforts to introduce creationism and intelligent design into schools in the UK is being opposed by the British Centre for Science Education. The BCSE has been involved in government lobbying and has a website which presents information on the relevant issues.[

And of that alleged one school:

n 2002, a group of leading scientists including Richard Dawkins alleged that creationism was taught in biology classes at Emmanuel College.[11][12] Steven Layfield, the College's Head of Science and a creationist, had delivered a lecture urging teachers to promote creationism to pupils, parents, and colleagues, including in science classes.[13] Layfield later resigned from the board of a creationist body to underscore the separation between his private views and the school's teaching of science.[14]

After reviewing the material used to teach science at Emmanuel College, Mike Tomlinson, chief inspector of Ofsted, decided that the matter did not need to be pursued further.[15] The next Ofsted inspection in 2006 described the school as 'Outstanding' and found no problem with its science provision.[16]

In 2005, John Harris in The Guardian accused Emmanuel Schools Foundation of promoting fundamentalist Christianity.[17]

In 2006, a follow-up article by Martin Wainwright in the The Guardian was strongly supportive of ESF, and said that associating its schools with creationism "couldn't be more wrong."[4]

In 2006 for Channel 4 Rod Liddle interviewed ex-pupils for a show titled "New Fundamentalists" alleging their teachers were creationists, and had promoted creationism in class.[18]

Political opponents of academies continued to refer to the original accusation.[19] After Tribune magazine published such an article in 2009, Peter Vardy took legal action against the magazine and its editor, who apologised, withdrew the allegations, and made an undisclosed payment to a nominated charity.[20]
 
How many schools are now ceasing to teach creationism because of this in the UK?

Probably none. This issue was raised over "free schools", an initiative where new schools are to be run outside of the local authorities, and the school itself would have a good amount of control over how they're run and what they teach. The Government is pushing this idea hard in England (different education systems in other parts of Britain) but there's a fair amount of resistance to the concept.

The teaching syllabus in all parts of the UK actually requires evolution to be taught.

The wiki snippet above is a useful read.
 

Alrus

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In Belgium, even catholic schools don't teach creationism, most religion teachers think people who seriously believe in it are a bunch of loons.

I think we were taught how there's no need to be a clash in science versus religion and how the two can actually keep going together without one invalidating the second.
 

Mik2121

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Yep. Same in Spain. I used to attend this Catholic junior high school (sigh...) and they never taught us creationism, it was all evolution theory.

Is it a problem in the US?
 

Korey

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In Belgium, even catholic schools don't teach creationism, most religion teachers think people who seriously believe in it are a bunch of loons.

I think we were taught how there's no need to be a clash in science versus religion and how the two can actually keep going together without one invalidating the second.

That's actually not possible. For example, the story of Adam and Eve, which is a very specific story that can't coexist with the timeline of evolution.
 

gerg

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This is the same government that's giving out a Bible to every school in the country.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/nov/25/michael-gove-king-james-bible

Mixed messages, baby!

Well, given that the King James Bible is incredibly important within the history of the English language - a quick look at the Wikipedia article states that it has given English 257 idioms, more so than all of Shakespeare's works - I'm not against sending out one copy to every school once to mark the work's 400th anniversary. It's an important document.
 

Salazar

Member
Mixed messages, baby!

Gove is a fountain of specious shite.

The education secretary has also urged more "unashamedly elitist" institutions, including Cambridge university and leading public schools, to help run state schools.

Fund the schools better, you monkey-minded twat. The social elitism of Oxbridge's intake might even continue to decrease if you do.
 

AngryMoth

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Pretty surprised this was even a problem. In my whole life I've only known one person my age who regularly attends church.
 

Mik2121

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That's actually not possible. For example, the story of Adam and Eve, which is a very specific story that can't coexist with timeline of evolution.

Dunno in Belgium, but in Spain that part wasn't really talked all that much. I mean, sure, as part of the religion class, it was definitely taught, but that was only during the religion class, during the science class it was all, well, scientific facts.
 
In Belgium, even catholic schools don't teach creationism, most religion teachers think people who seriously believe in it are a bunch of loons.

I think we were taught how there's no need to be a clash in science versus religion and how the two can actually keep going together without one invalidating the second.


Current Catholic dogma is in opposition to Young Earth Creationism, with the Papacy acknowledging the current scientific models for the development of the universe (Big Bang Cosmology, Evolutionary Theory etc) as valid, God being the grand architect that set the ball in motion.
 

Loonz

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Every single time I see the Creationism problem brought out, I always think this has to be one of those protestant things. I went to Catholic schools when I was a child and they never ever taught us anything other than the proper Evolution theory. The creation of the world by the Bible was always a religion-class matter, and nothing more than that.

All this fuzz about Creationism is so, so alien-like. For me, it's something hard to understand.
 
This is the same government that's giving out a Bible to every school in the country.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/nov/25/michael-gove-king-james-bible

Mixed messages, baby!

While I think that scheme is a giant waste of public money, I think the point of that idea was to highlight the historical significance of the King James Bible (not the historical accuracy of the text) on its anniversary. Whether one is Christian or not is besides the point, the KJB was a fantastic achievement. Tis a bit arrogant of Michael Gove to include a foreword - by himself - in the version being given out to schools.

Glad to hear that this has actually been fought and won. Now we can all move on. Inspectors really need to crack down on rogue schools.

Does this apply to voluntarily aided schools, or is it schools that solely rely on public funding?

Loonz said:
Every single time I see the Creationism problem brought out, I always think this has to be one of those protestant things. I went to Catholic schools when I was a child and they never ever taught us anything other than the proper Evolution theory. The creation of the world by the Bible was always a religion-class matter, and nothing more than that.

All this fuzz about Creationism is so, so alien for me. For me, it's something hard to understand.

Similar experience for me. The Catholic school I went to didn't even touch creationism once. In fact, we didn't even touch Genesis at all. What with two successive Popes openly endorsing the theory of evolution. . I think that the Catholic Church, and the schools it voluntarily funds just roll with the science.
 

Enco

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Every single time I see the Creationism problem brought out, I always think this has to be one of those protestant things. I went to Catholic schools when I was a child and they never ever taught us anything other than the proper Evolution theory. The creation of the world by the Bible was always a religion-class matter, and nothing more than that.

All this fuzz about Creationism is so, so alien-like. For me, it's something hard to understand.
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I've been to many schools and NONE taught religion in science class.
 

Ashes

Banned
So it was only one school?

Well tbh I'm not sure that one even counts. They were inspected and ofsted said no... So ought I to go looking for another?

plenty of uk gaffers so I'm sure there has to be one known by somebody on here. just statistically there has got to be scores no?

Well, I'd rather praise the BCSE, but dawkins and the humanist association seem to want to take the plaudits for vanquishing everything before them, so be it. This is probably a bigger issue for American gaffers than British gaffers.
 

Darklord

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I think the idea of creationism should be discussed. The idea that the universe was created by one or many higher beings either by knowingly or unknowingly but the whole thing about Earth being 5000 year old's and God from the bible and all that nonsense is absurd. And not discussed in a science room.

Every single time I see the Creationism problem brought out, I always think this has to be one of those protestant things. I went to Catholic schools when I was a child and they never ever taught us anything other than the proper Evolution theory. The creation of the world by the Bible was always a religion-class matter, and nothing more than that.

All this fuzz about Creationism is so, so alien-like. For me, it's something hard to understand.

Same here. I went to 2 catholic schools and never was taught that in science.
 
In the UK? er... is it really a problem in the uk?

I didn't know this was even an issue in the UK.

I didn't know it was a problem in UK.
A couple of years ago Dawkins did a short series about faith schools in the UK. Some of those teach (taught?) creationism.
I think the idea of creationism should be discussed. The idea that the universe was created by one or many higher beings either by knowingly or unknowingly but the whole thing about Earth being 5000 year old's and God from the bible and all that nonsense is absurd.
I don't think many would object of it being taught in a philosophy or a theology class, as long as it's made clear that there is no evidence for it.
 

Korey

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Yep. Same in Spain. I used to attend this Catholic junior high school (sigh...) and they never taught us creationism, it was all evolution theory.

Is it a problem in the US?

It was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Then the religious people tried to sneak it in again by calling it "Intelligent Design". That was again ruled unconstitutional by a lower court. It pops up now and then, usually in the state of Texas, where a lot of religious people are in high places.
 
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I've been to many schools and NONE taught religion in science class.

The Catholic school I went to didn't even teach creationism - or Genesis at all even in communal worship or classroom based R.E.

Stuburns said:
At no point in my education did anyone claim God made anything. Maybe Catholic schools do?

Catholic schools are actually okay. They teach evolution because the papacy subscribes to it.
 

Alrus

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That's actually not possible. For example, the story of Adam and Eve, which is a very specific story that can't coexist with the timeline of evolution.

We were taught not to take the early books(and most of the old testament) at face values, like any sensible person would.
 
At no point in my education did anyone claim God made anything. Maybe Catholic schools do?

Outside of mass, not really. At least, not in the Catholic primary and secondary schools I attended. Even religion class dealt with it more from an external perspective most of the time; science class certainly did not have religion intruding on it.
 
We were taught not to take the early books(and most of the old testament) at face values, like any sensible person would.

The interesting thing about the early books is that some of them were written a lot later than most people think and were positioned in a different place in early constructions of the old testament, giving them an entirely different philosophical significance.
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
I went to a Catholic (but not private) school in Ireland, and science was kept in science classes, religion in religion classes. It would never have made sense to bring up creationism in science classes.

We read about Adam and Eve, and all that, in religion class at one point, but it was presented as a symbolic story, not literal truth.

Are there religious studies in UK schools? Was anyone actually lobbying for creationism to be taught in science classes?
 
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