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DC Comics returning to the old "stars" logo

ManaByte

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Seems like Safran and Gunn want to erase the stink of the Didio era of DC entirely and as such DC Comics is going back to the old logo they got rid of in 2005.
 

Neon Xenon

Member

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Seems like Safran and Gunn want to erase the stink of the Didio era of DC entirely and as such DC Comics is going back to the old logo they got rid of in 2005.
I wouldn't immediately take this as some kind of sign that DC is trying to go back to the "Good Old Days" in an attempt to bring people back, or that it's a sign that things are immediately going to get better for them, as it is just a logo.

DC needs to show, not tell.

Also, I never liked DC's 2012-2016 logo.
 

Doom85

Member
Having gone through several "rebranding" efforts in my industry, it is just a waste of time, money, and effort usually used to distract from the fact that nothing is really changing.

Well, their former chief editor Dan Didio is gone and yes, that makes a huge difference in the comics. Particularly, Didio hated the legacy aspect despite comic readers, especially those of DC, being fans of them, all because Didio thought having a history of the mantle being shared or passed on would force older characters to ”age” too much for his liking. So he removed all the Batgirl history save Barbara’s, made Barry the only Flash (despite Wally being far more popular among comic readers by this point), removed Donna Troy as Wonder Girl, etc. The Robins were left alone, likely too iconic for even Didio to think it wise to fuck with that, and since the 50’s Green Lantern has always been a shared position held by thousands across the universe so it didn’t matter if there were multiple human GLs. Anyway, most people who care about the comics hated this change, as it just removes a ton of long developed history and relationships just because heaven forbid some of the heroes be in their 30’s, or, “ew”, 40’s! Anything but that!

He also hated the heroes being in permanent happy romantic relationships (made doubly annoying that over at Marvel their chief editor hated Peter being married so he ended Peter and MJ’s marriage), so Clark and Lois were no longer a thing, Batman and Catwoman were breaking up at times, Batwoman’s engagement was ended, etc. Funny enough, Aquaman was immune to this, but that was likely due to Geoff Johns kickstarting the New 52 version of Aquaman, and Johns was one of the few people who seemed to get what he wanted (and Johns generally made decisions fans liked, save a few hiccups here or there) regardless of what Didio wanted.

Since DC Rebirth in 2016, Didio has pressured to have positive changes reversed (Wally West was brought back into continuity in Rebirth, but then the event Heroes in Crisis ruined his life, but that was soon retconned after fan outcry), but plenty have been fixed, such as the pre-New 52 Superman having returned and his marriage with Lois is still intact, Cassandra and Stephanie are now Batgirls, Donna Troy has returned, the original Teen Titans history was brought back into continuity, etc.

Like, he might seem like an easy scapegoat, but Didio truly did not get the fans and what they wanted. After the event Infinite Crisis, a 52-issue weekly series called 52 was made (no relation to New 52 which came years later) to go into detail of what happened in the year following Infinite Crisis (as all the series did a one year timeskip). Didio wanted it to explain stuff like, “hey, why is Superman wearing a different costume after the timeskip?” and stuff like that, but the four writers ended up having 52 focus on stories for more B/C-list heroes as they felt character-focused stories were more important than just explaining immaterial changes, and those stories were very well received by the fans. Didio was not happy, so later he pushed for another 52-issue series called Countdown to Final Crisis. He said it was, “52, but done right,” the fans read it….and to this day, it‘s widely considered by fans to be one of, if not the, worst comic series DC Comics ever released.
 
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ManaByte

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Well, their former chief editor Dan Didio is gone and yes, that makes a huge difference in the comics. Particularly, Didio hated the legacy aspect despite comic readers, especially those of DC, being fans of them, all because Didio thought having a history of the mantle being shared or passed on would force older characters to ”age” too much for his liking. So he removed all the Batgirl history save Barbara’s, made Barry the only Flash (despite Wally being far more popular among comic readers by this point), removed Donna Troy as Wonder Girl, etc. The Robins were left alone, likely too iconic for even Didio to think it wise to fuck with that, and since the 50’s Green Lantern has always been a shared position held by thousands across the universe so it didn’t matter if there were multiple human GLs. Anyway, most people who care about the comics hated this change, as it just removes a ton of long developed history and relationships just because heaven forbid some of the heroes be in their 30’s, or, “ew”, 40’s! Anything but that!

He also hated the heroes being in permanent happy romantic relationships (made doubly annoying that over at Marvel their chief editor hated Peter being married so he ended Peter and MJ’s marriage), so Clark and Lois were no longer a thing, Batman and Catwoman were breaking up at times, Batwoman’s engagement was ended, etc. Funny enough, Aquaman was immune to this, but that was likely due to Geoff Johns kickstarting the New 52 version of Aquaman, and Johns was one of the few people who seemed to get what he wanted (and Johns generally made decisions fans liked, save a few hiccups here or there) regardless of what Didio wanted.

Since DC Rebirth in 2016, Didio has pressured to have positive changes reversed (Wally West was brought back into continuity in Rebirth, but then the event Heroes in Crisis ruined his life, but that was soon retconned after fan outcry), but plenty have been fixed, such as the pre-New 52 Superman having returned and his marriage with Lois is still intact, Cassandra and Stephanie are now Batgirls, Donna Troy has returned, the original Teen Titans history was brought back into continuity, etc.

Like, he might seem like an easy scapegoat, but Didio truly did not get the fans and what they wanted. After the event Infinite Crisis, a 52-issue weekly series called 52 was made (no relation to New 52 which came years later) to go into detail of what happened in the year following Infinite Crisis (as all the series did a one year timeskip). Didio wanted it to explain stuff like, “hey, why is Superman wearing a different costume after the timeskip?” and stuff like that, but the four writers ended up having 52 focus on stories for more B/C-list heroes as they felt character-focused stories were more important than just explaining immaterial changes, and those stories were very well received by the fans. Didio was not happy, so later he pushed for another 52-issue series called Countdown to Final Crisis. He said it was, “52, but done right,” the fans read it….and to this day, it‘s widely considered by fans to be one of, if not the, worst comic series DC Comics ever released.
Didio also mandated that Snyder’s dead Robin be Dick. He hated Dick Grayson.
 
Didio was a clown but he's also been gone for 4 years and the comics haven't really improved much overall. In fact, if you look at sales, they are falling further and further behind.

I doubt things will change much just because they reverted their logo.
 

Doom85

Member
Didio also mandated that Snyder’s dead Robin be Dick. He hated Dick Grayson.

Yup, in fact while he’s done as head of DC, he did recently come back to do one short story in a collection of short stories that are basically “what if this major event comic had turned out this way?” His premise: “what if Dick Grayson had died in Infinite Crisis, would the DC heroes have turned out for the better?” Geezus. To elaborate, Didio wanted Dick to be the major death of the Infinite Crisis event, but Geoff Johns fought hard to have that not happen, and so it was changed to be Superboy who died instead (which made more sense given Superboy-Prime’s role and where Connor’s character arc had been going in the Teen Titans run of the time, it felt fitting to have Connor prove with a sacrifice he was a hero and was not bound to be a villain just because he had Lex Luthor’s DNA in him).

Nearly two decades later, and Didio is still butthurt over it based on that short story synopsis. All, “for the better”, fuck off, Didio, and understand the universe you were in charge of. Nightwing is easily among the most beloved characters in-universe. When his life is seriously threatened in Bludhaven, both the Batfamily and the Teen Titans show up to clearly deliver a message, “Nightwing is our friend, he’s part of our family, so mess with him at your own peril.” The dude has so many loved ones, the idea his death would improve the lives of the heroes is flat out nonsense.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I don't get it. What does that mean? Explain to me like an idiot please.
After a certain period of time (95 years since creation or 75 years after the death of the creator, something like that) then ANYONE can use that intellectual property.

It's why anyone can adapt a shakespeare play and not have to pay some distant relative of the Bard. Or use Mozart in a film and not pay his great great grandkid royalties. This time used to be much shorter but Disney, in an attempt to keep Mickey Mouse and their earlier characters private, lobbied extensively to extend the time before IPs went into the public domain.

But now what we would consider "modern" characters, like Steamboat Willie, Superman, Conan, Zorro, Sherlock Holmes (all of him), Batman, the Hobbit, etc are going to start entering the public domain. Then folks can do things like that "Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey" horror adaptation without getting permission from an estate (which they wouldn't get) or paying royalties. So this very early rendition Superman is something that anyone could technically do in just another decade or so.

Of course these mega corps that are still reaping profits off nigh century old creations will fight this in various way, like claiming copyright on the actual names, throwing up frivolous lawsuits no indies could hope to fight, and constantly doubling down on their versions of PD stories (disney does this alot, which is why you have two different Jungle Books or Pinnochios but the "other" version has to steer clear of ANYTHING remotely similar to what Disney has done).

The argument for putting stuff in public domain is that it lets artists explore these things for free (look at all that Lovecraft stuff we have, thats all because he died with no relatives so his stuff, written in the 20's/30's went into PD immediately so you don't need to pay anyone to use Cthulhu or adapt the music of Erich Zann. If you had to pay Ernie Lovecraft to use his granddads stuff it's likely that no one would have heard of him, like SO MANY other artists of that era that have faded into obscurity). Should Disney or DC really STILL be milking stuff made by guys long dead? Does Superman belong to all of us by now?

So you should see early superman go into public domain in 2034. But thats JUST the first year of the comics, so if you wanted to make a Superman film yourself, there wouldn't be kryptonite (and lawyers would jump on you if you invent a similar thing), he wouldn't be allowed to fly, it would have to be limited to just that first year of content and you couldnt use ANYTHING that came later.
 

near

Gold Member
After a certain period of time (95 years since creation or 75 years after the death of the creator, something like that) then ANYONE can use that intellectual property.

It's why anyone can adapt a shakespeare play and not have to pay some distant relative of the Bard. Or use Mozart in a film and not pay his great great grandkid royalties. This time used to be much shorter but Disney, in an attempt to keep Mickey Mouse and their earlier characters private, lobbied extensively to extend the time before IPs went into the public domain.

But now what we would consider "modern" characters, like Steamboat Willie, Superman, Conan, Zorro, Sherlock Holmes (all of him), Batman, the Hobbit, etc are going to start entering the public domain. Then folks can do things like that "Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey" horror adaptation without getting permission from an estate (which they wouldn't get) or paying royalties. So this very early rendition Superman is something that anyone could technically do in just another decade or so.

Of course these mega corps that are still reaping profits off nigh century old creations will fight this in various way, like claiming copyright on the actual names, throwing up frivolous lawsuits no indies could hope to fight, and constantly doubling down on their versions of PD stories (disney does this alot, which is why you have two different Jungle Books or Pinnochios but the "other" version has to steer clear of ANYTHING remotely similar to what Disney has done).

The argument for putting stuff in public domain is that it lets artists explore these things for free (look at all that Lovecraft stuff we have, thats all because he died with no relatives so his stuff, written in the 20's/30's went into PD immediately so you don't need to pay anyone to use Cthulhu or adapt the music of Erich Zann. If you had to pay Ernie Lovecraft to use his granddads stuff it's likely that no one would have heard of him, like SO MANY other artists of that era that have faded into obscurity). Should Disney or DC really STILL be milking stuff made by guys long dead? Does Superman belong to all of us by now?

So you should see early superman go into public domain in 2034. But thats JUST the first year of the comics, so if you wanted pop to make a Superman film yourself, there wouldn't be kryptonite (and lawyers would jump on you if you invent a similar thing), he wouldn't be allowed to fly, it would have to be limited to just that first year of content and you couldnt use ANYTHING that came later.
I appreciate you taking the time to give me a detailed reply, thanks. I didn’t know it worked like that. Superman is almost 95 years old?! Wow. I suppose it’s great for artists and writers to create new and interesting adaptations of these early works, but maybe not necessarily healthy for an IP to saturate a market with weak or bad adaptations. It will be interesting to see what happens, hopefully I’m still alive when that time comes.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
I appreciate you taking the time to give me a detailed reply, thanks. I didn’t know it worked like that. Superman is almost 95 years old?! Wow. I suppose it’s great for artists and writers to create new and interesting adaptations of these early works, but maybe not necessarily healthy for an IP to saturate a market with weak or bad adaptations. It will be interesting to see what happens, hopefully I’m still alive when that time comes.

People are just going to make cheap horror movies to be edgy. That's all they did with Mickey and Pooh.

When James Gunn already produced a Superman horror movie.
 
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DeafTourette

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