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[Yoshichan]

generational difference

 

[adamsapple]

generational difference

Based on the OP pictures .. eh not really.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Yeah I doubt anyone expected a huge difference except for the few fanboys around here. Decima is great, wish it was used more often over UE5. That engine could run and look insane even on PS4 hardware.

Based on the OP pictures .. eh not really.

He was being sarcastic.

 

[amigastar]

Not much of a difference honestly.

 

[Punished Miku]

The first game in the Death Stranding 2 genre. Completely different.

 

[Gonzito]

The improvements in characters models is insane.

 

[TintoConCasera]

DS already looked good enough imo. Having those large areas with barely any of that ugly fog that so many games are plagued with is so nice and refreshing.

 

[GymWolf]

Generational indifference.

 

[Bojji]

Based on the OP pictures .. eh not really.

It's PS4 Pro Pro level of graphics.

They don't use any current tech here so it's not really surprising but game looks very similar to the first one.

 

[kadab]

generational difference

 

[TintoConCasera]

They don't use any current tech here

I'm starting to see that as a positive.

 

[metareferential]

Why don't they release it on ps4, then?

 

[Clear]

When something looks really good in the first place, the latitude for improvement is naturally smaller than when there are glaring problems!

Same thing happens when comparing PS5 and PS5 Pro output, if the PS5 version is decent then improvements are always marginal compared to when say its suffers from over-aggressive upscaling.

 

[LordOcidax]

 

[Represent.]

The price of 60fps. Clear as fucking day.

Literally the same exact shit. Lmao

 

[Bojji]

I'm starting to see that as a positive.

In some way it is, it guarantees decent resolution and framerate.

But then you have games that don't use current gen tech and are extremely heavy for no reason like FFXVI.

 

[adamsapple]

He was being sarcastic.

It's hard to parse sarcasm online sometimes

 

[Punished Miku]

The price of 60fps. Clear as fucking day.

Literally the same exact shit. Lmao

I blame the PSP2.

 

[Hideous Snake]

Character model looks much sharper with those facial expressions

 

[Mr Moose]

The quality of the character model/clothing is a nice bump.

 

[Zathalus]

Outside of the graphical changes it is also running at twice the frame rate and almost twice the amount of pixels. All the plus the updated graphical effects basically equals to the GPU upgrade between the PS4 and PS5.

 

[GymWolf]

Skin still look a bit too lucid/waxy for my taste, improved from the first one but still not quite there yet, maybe it's just an art design thing of kojima.

 

[Rien]

Annoying Dutch ai voice over, can't listen to it

 

[Represent.]

I blame the PSP2.

I blame the framerate warriors. They'd rather play PS4 games at 60fps than actual next gen games. And thats exactly what we're getting.

 

[TintoConCasera]

In some way it is, it guarantees decent resolution and framerate.

But then you have games that don't use current gen tech and are extremely heavy for no reason like FFXVI.

Yeah I was thinking about Stellar Blade while writting that. Game's not a looker for the most part but it looks good enough ti me while running like a dream. I'd rather have that than the last technology that barely runs or does so with artifacts.

 

[diffusionx]

Looks exactly the same.

 

[metareferential]

The price of 60fps. Clear as fucking day.

Literally the same exact shit. Lmao

To be fair, it's not up to KojiPro to update the Decima engine to next-gen standards.

They obviously started development right after the first game, so...

 

[Kerotan]

You have to remember the original only ran at 30fps so the jump outside of 60fps Day 1 was never going to be as big.

 

[ArtHands]

Seems Switch 2 is able to run the game easily then

 

[LordOcidax]

Seems Switch 2 is able to run the game easily then

 

[Punished Miku]

Looks exactly the same.

Without trolling, that's kind of what I expected. I think we'll see similar from Yotei and even Interstellar. Not the end of the world since TLOU2 is still nearly unmatched, but it's looking like 60 fps PS4 Pro++ games is the norm like Ragnarok, Spider Man 2 and Horizon 2.

P.S. I'm actually looking forward to Interstellar.

 

[Scrawnton]

Why don't they release it on ps4, then?

Sony believes in generations.

 

[diffusionx]

To be fair, it's not up to KojiPro to update the Decima engine to next-gen standards.

They obviously started development right after the first game, so...

Forbidden West looked significantly better than Zero Dawn. But I guess DS was probably using something closer to FW's version of it.

 

[Bojji]

Outside of the graphical changes it is also running at twice the frame rate and almost twice the amount of pixels. All the plus the updated graphical effects basically equals to the GPU upgrade between the PS4 and PS5.

You have to remember the original only ran at 30fps so the jump outside of 60fps Day 1 was never going to be as big.

PS5 version of DS1 is 60fps in native 4k. DS2 is 1440p in comparison, quite a big regress here.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Love extra memory for increased textures!

 

[metareferential]

Forbidden West looked significantly better than Zero Dawn. But I guess DS was probably using something closer to FW's version of it.

Still, they're both cross-gen title (meaning they're old-gen).

Expecting a small studio - even with the help of Sony and Guerilla - to bring the engine into next-gen is a bit too much.

Even though it's been almost 6 years...

 

[Zathalus]

PS5 version of DS1 is 60fps in native 4k. DS2 is 1440p in comparison, quite a big regress here.

Which makes sense as it has a lot of graphical upgrades over the original, so that rendering budget has to come from somewhere.

 

[diffusionx]

Which makes sense as it has a lot of graphical upgrades over the original, so that rendering budget has to come from somewhere.

do the upgrades actually make a difference while youre playing, because they dont in this comparison

What's the point of an upgrade that makes the game 40% slower if it has a 1% difference while playing. Feels like we have lost the plot here.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

This shows how mind blowing the original was at release.

 

[Zathalus]

do the upgrades actually make a difference while youre playing, because they dont in this comparison

What's the point of an upgrade that makes the game 40% slower if it has a 1% difference while playing. Feels like we have lost the plot here.

No idea, I shall be playing it tomorrow and have not seen a lot of videos yet. Hopefully it's worth it.

 

[Gonzito]

The improvements in characters models is insane.

For those reacting at my message with a laugh emoji, are you guys watching the video on your phones? Be serious, go and watch it on a big screen. The difference is substantial when it comes to character rendering.

 

[Sakura]

Just wait until you see the leap between ps5 and ps6 games.

 

[ProtoByte]

I blame the framerate warriors. They'd rather play PS4 games at 60fps than actual next gen games. And thats exactly what we're getting.

It's that, and it's also presumably because they're rendering everything in real time. Presumably being the very key word here (haven't watched the DF stuff yet).

The question is, has the gameplay, design, and interactivity improved commensurate with that visual sacrifice? Doesn't seem so.

Fuck Sony for not pushing it's "first parties" to actually make good use of especially the PS5 Pro.

 

[vpance]

Definitely subtle but appreciated.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Biggest difference seems to be how much bigger the world seems. Way better draw distance and increased lod for far away objects actually do make a big difference

 

[tTHANOSs]

One is 30fps and other is 60fps ?
Zero Dawn and Forbidden West has a decent difference.

 

[Killer8]

The game world does look dramatically better - and you don't see that when focusing in on individual elements from one foot away.

There are no longer these big open spaces of just flat grass texture with some distant rocks breaking it up. They've really upped the amount of small environmental details like grass and pebbles, which goes a long way to sell the realism. Draw distances are also absolutely massive. It just looks less game-y.

All that at 60fps, at not dogshit image quality, with a very good HDR implementation (see DF's video) really sold their visual approach to me.

 

[viveks86]

Skin still look a bit too lucid/waxy for my taste, improved from the first one but still not quite there yet, maybe it's just an art design thing of kojima.

I think that's a Kojima signature. He has been going for that look since Fox.

 

[Karim]

The price of 60fps. Clear as fucking day.

Literally the same exact shit. Lmao

I mean it's an empty world they could at least try raytracing GI at 30 fps Jeez