[Destructoid] Leaked photo of NX controller?

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BahamutPT said:
The only real gimmick that seems to have endured is motion controls... So not much to go on there.
11 years later, dual screen play hasn't taken off. If you count the N64/Gamecube controllers, neither have those.

(I don't see anything else from Nintendo as real "gimmicks" aside from those things)
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If talk about the gaming world, bintendo did bring:

shoulder buttons
handheld
color buttons
rumble
triggers
Directional Pad
Selfies
3d stick
Touch screen (sony used it for vita and ps4 controller)
motion control
amiibo
virtual boy
Multiplayer Ports
wiimote


This is only hardware, not talking about software (sidescrolling, mario 64, avatars...)
Enough to go on.

All gimmicks that are still used today, like sony has eye toy&VR and xbox kinect&hololens .

(wanted to say that I don't see all of this innovations as gimmicks, I believe that each device has his purpose to make gaming better. People think otherwise are just ignorant)
 
JoeM86 said:
The D-Pad was a gimmick at the time.
Rumble was a gimmick at the time.
Analogue sticks were a gimmick at the time.
Shoulder buttons were a gimmick at the time.
Dual screen play has been with Nintendo for decades. Just because others haven't done it doesn't mean it hasn't taken off, especially when over 200 million sold Nintendo devices in the last 12 years have dual screens.

I think people misuse the term gimmick to just be a feature they don't like, but don't realise that many standards in gaming today were labelled as gimmicks back in the day. The D-Pad especially. Gimmick has become a term that is used with disdain because it deviates from what people perceive as the norm. Without "gimmicks", gaming would stagnate.
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The D-Pad was a gimmick that objectively did not cause any functionality/precision to become inferior to the past product.
Rumble was a (optional) gimmick that objectively did not cause any functionality/precision to become inferior to the past products.
Shoulder buttons were a gimmick that objectively did not cause any functionality/precision to become inferior to the past products.
Dual screen was a gimmick that objectively did not cause any functionality/precision to become inferior to the past product.

Notice a pattern here?

Virtual touch buttons are a gimmick that objectively cause functionality/precision to become inferior to past products.
 
AtomicShroom said:
The D-Pad was a gimmick that objectively did not cause any functionality/precision to become inferior to the past product.
Rumble was a (optional) gimmick that objectively did not cause any functionality/precision to become inferior to the past products.
Shoulder buttons were a gimmick that objectively did not cause any functionality/precision to become inferior to the past products.
Dual screen was a gimmick that objectively did not cause any functionality/precision to become inferior to the past product.

Notice a pattern here?

Virtual touch buttons are a gimmick that objectively cause functionality/precision to become inferior to past products.
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So why did the Wii u did?
Second : how do you know how it would feel if you don't know what the final product will be (refer to Virtual touch buttons )?
 
Kurt said:
So why did the Wii u did?
Second : how do you know how it would feel if you don't know what the final product will be (refer to Virtual touch buttons )?
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So why did the Wii U did what?

And I know because mobile phone controls suck so much ass. So unless Nintendo has figured out a way to make the screen provide tactile feedback of where the buttons are located (which I doubt they would), there simply is no way that it's going to be a viable replacement for physical buttons.
 
If this is the real thing I'm still down provided it has glasses-free 3D and isn't as small as it looks in the picture. It looks like it has a screen a fair a bit smaller than a 3DS XL going off this "leaked" picture.
 
TheGreatMightyPoo said:
None of this is going to hurt the final product if it's good and/or resonates with the consumer.

All that stuff about own employees being frustrated is unsubstantiated.
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You're unsubstantiated!!! ;p

Sorry, I get angry when I'm hyped for things and get no info. Impatience is the problem. I think the difference between waiting for NX news and people who waited for ps4 and xb1 news is that the 360 and PS3 were doing fine and those fans knew they were gonna get he third party support and much more powerful hardware, so not everyone was ready to move on as quickly as some of us are from Wii U and 3DS.

Nintendo is just so unpredictable. Maybe that's what causes these big discussions. Are they gonna go cheap with a gimmick, powerful and "me-too", or some middle ground? Will they get third party support? Etc. Those were never in question for PS4 and XB1.
 
robo2000 said:
The thing i dont get is why people are still saying, that Nintendo will first release their console and maybe a couple of months later the handheld.

Do people still believe that the console and handheld will be two different platforms? i think its pretty obvious that it will be just one thing (handheld/console in one)

Metaldave already said something like this in his videos, and i understand that he is not from Nintendo, but all the predictions/rumors he did before the last Direct were all true.

He isnt giving the respect he deserves imo, he told stuff in his videos that no one could know about. (even a couple of weeks ago) The videos are now gone from youtube.

Nintendo isnt capable of making games for 2 machines (history has shown that) So i really dont get why many people still think that it will be two machines instead of a handheld that can connect to the television.
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lol
Someone missed like almost a full year of official statements..
 
AtomicShroom said:
So why did the Wii U did what?

And I know because mobile phone controls suck so much ass. So unless Nintendo has figured out a way to make the screen provide tactile feedback of where the buttons are located (which I doubt they would), there simply is no way that it's going to be a viable replacement for physical buttons.
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You were naming points in the past. But you didn't notify the wii u in the list.
So you only refering to the new touchscreen buttons.

We are not talking here about normal buttons that you have on your iphone/android phone. No no, we are talking about haptic feedback with structure feeling that is different from what we already experienced. Yet we don't know for sure how it would be.

Besides, nintendo isn't crazy to put touchscreen controlls like mobile phone on a new controller. Iwata already said before multiple times : games can't be played with mobile onscreen buttons.
 
DangerMan said:
If this is the real thing I'm still down provided it has glasses-free 3D and isn't as small as it looks in the picture. It looks like it has a screen a fair a bit smaller than a 3DS XL going off this "leaked" picture.
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How could glasses-free 3D work when you are pretty much covering part of the screen most of the time?
 
AtomicShroom said:
So why did the Wii U did what?

And I know because mobile phone controls suck so much ass. So unless Nintendo has figured out a way to make the screen provide tactile feedback of where the buttons are located (which I doubt they would), there simply is no way that it's going to be a viable replacement for physical buttons.
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That correct, mobile gaming sucks when you don't have physical buttons.
But if they can make something that feels the same as physical buttons, why not?
So we have to see if this is the dirrection they take, if it feels the same as physical buttons.

Beside that, we don't know sh*t about the final design.
 
10k said:
You're unsubstantiated!!! ;p

Sorry, I get angry when I'm hyped for things and get no info. Impatience is the problem. I think the difference between waiting for NX news and people who waited for ps4 and xb1 news is that the 360 and PS3 were doing fine and those fans knew they were gonna get he third party support and much more powerful hardware,
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Well yeah, I outed you for this in a recent post.

It's tough being a Nintendo fan and I doubt they'll change much.
I think everyone is frustrated, look at the impatience for a simple Direct and magnify that by 100 for a new system.

I've stopped caring about a new Nintendo system in relation to a new Sony or Microsoft one.
I have expectations power-wise in respect to Nintendo's previous console though.

I don't have high hopes for sustained third party development but I would imagine the NX whatever the fuck it is will able to run any games that are on the console market.
I see favorable ports but if they don't gain sales traction, third parties will evaporate slowly but surely.

I'm most interested in the handheld; as much as I put up with Nintendo's hardware, the 3DS and that shit image quality and polygonal ineptitude is trying my patience.
I assume the next handheld will hit that sweetspot of not "OMG IT'S BEAUTIFUL" but rather "hey, I'll take this, this doesn't look like crap".
 
Delaney said:
How could glasses-free 3D work when you are pretty much covering part of the screen most of the time?
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In between the two sticks there could still be 3D, I often put my hands next to my 3DS screen to judge how far out the screen manages to be popping out. I can cover part of my 3DS' top screen without breaking the 3D effect.

EDIT: However, when I owned a Vita I never brought it with me anywhere due to the sticks being able to so easily get caught. 3DS' design is the perfect handheld gaming system design so I don't know why they'd abandon it... This "leak" does not look like a good portable device design.
 
Sorry guys, my gaming started in a weak third work country on an Atari playing River Raid.

I don't have time to argue with fanboys in disguise.

Please continue.. so far we are relying on speculation and nothing finalized.


hehe
 
Max_Po said:
Sorry guys, my gaming started in a weak third work country on an Atari playing River Raid.

I don't have time to argue with fanboys in disguise.

Please continue.. so far we are relying on speculation and nothing finalized.


hehe
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JoeM86 said:
The D-Pad was a gimmick at the time.
Rumble was a gimmick at the time.
Analogue sticks were a gimmick at the time.
Shoulder buttons were a gimmick at the time.
Dual screen play has been with Nintendo for decades. Just because others haven't done it doesn't mean it hasn't taken off, especially when over 200 million sold Nintendo devices in the last 12 years have dual screens.

I think people misuse the term gimmick to just be a feature they don't like, but don't realise that many standards in gaming today were labelled as gimmicks back in the day. The D-Pad especially. Gimmick has become a term that is used with disdain because it deviates from what people perceive as the norm. Without "gimmicks", gaming would stagnate.
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I disagree DPad and shoulder buttons were gimmicks. I don't really agree that the analogue stick was a gimmick either. The gimmick for the N64 was truly 3D games, in which you needed an analogue stick to play well.

I think Nintendo has innovative a lot in control interfaces. My problem is that it seems like they feel they now need to do something different just because. A lot of the things on your list persisted because they did enhance gameplay. They were made as a result of real need to do something better. The gamepad and this alleged free form display feel like solutions to minor problems. Gimmicks because Nintendo feels they need some control 'innovation' to launch a new console regardless if they truly have a great idea or not.
 
Kurt said:
You were naming points in the past. But you didn't notify the wii u in the list.
So you only refering to the new touchscreen buttons.

We are not talking here about normal buttons that you have on your iphone/android phone. No no, we are talking about haptic feedback with structure feeling that is different from what we already experienced. Yet we don't know for sure how it would be.

Besides, nintendo isn't crazy to put touchscreen controlls like mobile phone on a new controller. Iwata already said before multiple times : games can't be played with mobile onscreen buttons.
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I was responding to JoeM86's post, arguing about the points he brought up. He did not mention the Wii U. Why are you bringing it into this?

And so we agree: Unless Nintendo has figured out a tech that provides NO LESS than the same amount of physical/pressure feedback and precision as physical buttons, a tech that, as far as we know does not exist at this time, this thing is undesirable.
 
Graphics Horse said:
Taking turns to try and get the thread locked.
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Should be locked imo, as this has turned into a silly discussion about whether or not something is a gimmick. Most of the sites that originally reported on this have updated saying this is most likely fake. The reddit thread has basically concluded it's fake as well.

Apparently the "leaker" talked about it being called soap on 4chan earlier than on reddit, and on 4chan also claimed it was a game in development. Also contradictory comments about level of access to the device. The fact that the demo is cropped and not scaled to the screen is suspicious. The lighting is suspect. The stupid note also suggests trolling. I think it's fake. Alberto equating this to a bigfoot sighting also makes me think this is a hoax.
 
ZOONAMI said:
Should be locked imo, as this has turned into a silly discussion about whether or not something is a gimmick. Most of the sites that originally reported on this have updated saying this is most likely fake. The reddit thread has basically concluded it's fake as well.

Apparently the "leaker" talked about it being called soap on 4chan earlier than on reddit, and on 4chan also claimed it was a game in development. Also contradictory comments about level of access to the device. The fact that the demo is cropped and not scaled to the screen is suspicious. The lighting is suspect. The stupid note also suggests trolling. I think it's fake. Alberto equating this to a bigfoot sighting also makes me think this is a hoax.
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In trying to dismantle a fake is better not to state a false information as a fact. So, please show the 4chan posts that were done earlier than reddit, because all I saw was posted afterwards.
 
I don't think that claim about soap being said first on 4chan is correct from the previous conversation we had about it. IDK how to get timestamps from reddit tho.
 
If NX were launching this year, would the controller have to be fairly close to final?

When would they have to start the manufacturing process? Just curious. I'd think that by June, all factories would be in full swing, producing the new hardware if the NX is launching in November.
 
Peltz said:
If NX were launching this year, would the controller have to be fairly close to final?

When would they have to start the manufacturing process? Just curious. I'd think that by June, all factories would be in full swing, producing the new hardware if the NX is launching in November.
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In terms of mass production, a November shipment euqals more or less to a possible August start, not later than that.
 
KingSnake said:
Something vague at the investor meeting and reveal at E3 is the best bet I think.
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This seems quite likely.

Here's a countdown clock to Nintendo's FY 2015 Financial Results Briefing on April 28 (JST), (tentative hour):

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There is probably a news conference on April 27 also, for press, so some details will hopefully come from there as well.
 
I don't think that 4chan post is by the same guy. He posted an update yesterday on Reddit. I don't think it ever got posted here.

Idriss2Dev said:
Hello,

I am registered under the pseudonym only on reddit, I do not have access to more information at the moment because I am not working on this project (nx? Or other name) too much noise about this photo is that the atmosphere in my company became tense ...

just a few small details:

The "hidden" area on the photo was just a "document" confidential

The team working on project is on does not give me more details

The first photo was given to me

Maybe in a few days I will have the opportunity to learn more or better to have better pictures, I will not hesitate to come back to you if that's the case I promise.

Cordially.
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samsveds said:
For what it's worth I work with photoshop/prepress and can add that I can't find anything in the image pointing to a fake. But if it is, it's very well done.
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If someone is into model making they could probably make it pretty easily. A video with the screen running would be pretty convincing as you don't get screens like that too easily.
 
KingSnake said:
Something vague at the investor meeting and reveal at E3 is the best bet I think.
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Not sure if we'll be stuck in the cold until E3. That wouldn't give Nintendo enough time to hype the platform up. Plus they would have to compete with VR & possibly whatever the PS4.5 ends up being (if the rumors are true). If anything, we'd likely get a hardware reveal in April or May, with E3 being about the games.
 
Neoxon said:
Not sure if we'll be stuck in the cold until E3. That wouldn't give Nintendo enough time to hype the platform up. Plus they would have to compete with VR & possibly whatever the PS4.5 ends up being (if the rumors are true). If anything, we'd get a hardware reveal in April or May, with E3 being about the games.
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Yeah, but this is not about what would be better, but about what to realistically expect from Nintendo.
 
Neoxon said:
Not sure if we'll be stuck in the cold until E3. That wouldn't give Nintendo enough time to hype the platform up. Plus they would have to compete with VR & possibly whatever the PS4.5 ends up being (if the rumors are true). If anything, we'd likely get a hardware reveal in April or May, with E3 being about the games.
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Don't you think that this is stuck in a past business model?
I mean: don't we hace clear and successfull examples of "sudden release" from other "tech" company, officially announcing a product just to confirm its release the day after at retail?
 
KingSnake said:
Yeah, but this is not about what would be better, but about what to realistically expect from Nintendo.
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Aostia said:
Don't you think that this is stuck in a past business model?
I mean: don't we hace clear and successfull examples of "sudden release" from other "tech" company, officially announcing a product just to confirm its release the day after at retail?
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The point is that Sony may have the potential to overshadow Nintendo this year at E3, & the NX Platform is not something that Nintendo can take a chance on by putting everything in the E3 basket if there's any chance that Sony (or even Microsoft) may upstage them.
 
I think I finally realized why those sticks look odd to me. Given this pic was likely taken with a phone and no flash; as bright as the demo is displayed shouldn't there be some ambient light(based off of the source video) from the screen cast onto the analog sticks? I thought at first maybe the design of the of the sticks could be preventing it, but the base of the sticks appear to convex. That being the case shouldn't their be some light cast on the bases from the screen?

Also anyone have a link to the original ue4 demo used?
 
It's probably fake. I doubt Nintendo will make the same mistake with NX. Second display was a failure. Sure it was a nice feature, but it made the console twice as expensive, and the battery life on the gamepad is awful.

This might be Nintendo's next handheld console, but definitely not Wii U's successor.
 
DaddyD said:
It's probably fake. I doubt Nintendo will make the same mistake with NX. Second display was a failure. Sure it was a nice feature, but it made the console twice as expensive, and the battery life on the gamepad is awful.

This might be Nintendo's next handheld console, but definitely not Wii U's successor.
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But in all likelihood, the NX Platform may embody both the next console & the next handheld.
 
Neoxon said:
The point is that Sony may have the potential to overshadow Nintendo this year at E3, & the NX Platform is not something that Nintendo can take a chance on by putting everything in the E3 basket if there's any chance that Sony (or even Microsoft) may upstage them.
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Even without PS4.5, even without VR, it would make the most sense to have a separate reveal event, that should focus only on the hardware. But that works if you have hardware to show without necessarily the help of the games on it, a product that stands on its own. And this seems not to be the philosophy of Nintendo. Thus I expect to rely a lot on the games. And as times passes by it's more and more probable to happen at E3 because otherwise would undermine their E3 showing.

And actually VR is already almost here, ps4.5 and xbox nextone are practically on the table, so the window of opportunity is closing. Which leads me again to E3 for the reveal. For better or for worse.
 
KingSnake said:
Even without PS4.5, even without VR, it would make the most sense to have a separate reveal event, that should focus only on the hardware. But that works if you have hardware to show without necessarily the help of the games on it, a product that stands on its own. And this seems not to be the philosophy of Nintendo. Thus I expect to rely a lot on the games. And as times passes by it's more and more probable to happen at E3 because otherwise would undermine their E3 showing.

And actually VR is already almost here, ps4.5 and xbox nextone are practically on the table, so the window of opportunity is closing. Which leads me again to E3 for the reveal. For better or for worse.
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But if anything, the XB1+ & PS4.5 could easily undercut whatever plans Nintendo has for E3, so it'd be best to avoid the competition & reveal the device(s) on their own terms so the spotlight is completely on Nintendo. And with 3DS sales declining & the Wii U barely having a pulse, Nintendo can't afford to risk getting overshadowed at E3 for the NX Platform reveal.
 
Rösti;198798563 said:
This seems quite likely.

Here's a countdown clock to Nintendo's FY 2015 Financial Results Briefing on April 28 (JST), (tentative hour):

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There is probably a news conference on April 27 also, for press, so some details will hopefully come from there as well.
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This is a very depressing countdown
 
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