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Devil May Cry 4 Special Edition |OT| Two girls, one motivated Vergil
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J_Macgrady
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True, but the main reason I said that was because of how much time has passed since DMC4 and the amount of stuff that's happened since then. The team coming off of Dragon's Dogma, Bayonetta, Souls series, reboot, etc.
But they haven't actually been working on the game since DMC4.
The maximum time for DMC5 is right after Dark Arisen expansion as far as Itsuno's timeline is concerned. And that's assuming that he was concurrently working on DMC5 alongside DMC4SE. 2013 was when that was released, it's 2017 now so we are talking maximum 4 years in development.
Realistically it's like 2.5-3 years of actual development time. That's not that much time to create an ambitious title.
badcrumble
Member
I think it's fairest to consider some of the stuff in DMC4SE to also be essentially a concept testbed for DMC5 ideas (that is to say, that DMC5 wasn't being developed concurrently with DMC4SE, but DMC4SE was a way to beta test some design ideas).
If there's a consistent design philosophy to be found in DMC4SE's Vergil/Trish/Lady that isn't necessarily present in Nero/Dante, it's that the three new characters are much better equipped for (or even designed around) crowd control.
If there's a consistent design philosophy to be found in DMC4SE's Vergil/Trish/Lady that isn't necessarily present in Nero/Dante, it's that the three new characters are much better equipped for (or even designed around) crowd control.
We almost know, given the fact that they started development on DMC4 right after DMC3 that was released two years after DMC2. The first reveal was in TGS 2006 (that megaton that day, holy shit) with a late 2007 date that was later pushed back to Q1 2008. The 2-3 years dev cycle is the norm since DMC1. DMC5's development has probably started right after DMC4SE.
SE was just an opportunity for Capcom to milk the game on this gen's consoles and for Itsuno's team to become familiar with the current hardware. The fact that they have spend budget on extra cutscenes/dialog/motion capture and a whole brand new JP dub, is definitely a sign for something far beyond than just another simple re-release.
J_Macgrady
Member
Oh I get you now.
Son Of Sparda
Member
Even if the game hasn't been in development for a very long time, the fact is that the market and industry is much much different than 2008. We are living in a post Soulsborne/Bayonetta/etc world and I do think that Itsuno and co have considered where the industry currently is and what are people's expectations from action games, when they were deciding on the direction of DMC5.
So, I expect to see some big changes nonetheless.
So, I expect to see some big changes nonetheless.
You jest, but I've played Ishin and I can promise you, that game will blow away a lot of people. It is that damn good. Though, unfortunately I don't see them going back and localizing that.
Itsuno timeline is roughly
2008 - 2012 - Dragon's Dogma
2009 - 2013 - DmC (Supervising director)
2013 - 2015 - DMC4SE
2015 - 2017 - DMC5?
He's pretty much been busy with something since DMC4. It's possible he started on his current project while working on DMC4SE, like he did with DMC3SE and DMC4.
I know. I've played the demo for Kenzan, which was pretty cool.
2008 - 2012 - Dragon's Dogma
2009 - 2013 - DmC (Supervising director)
2013 - 2015 - DMC4SE
2015 - 2017 - DMC5?
He's pretty much been busy with something since DMC4. It's possible he started on his current project while working on DMC4SE, like he did with DMC3SE and DMC4.
I know. I've played the demo for Kenzan, which was pretty cool.
badcrumble
Member
This is a massive part of why I want the running-missions-out-of-a-shop concept for DMC5 - it provides an easy framework for (frankly, lots of) DLC to fit into without just creating a traditional linear game and then chopping a big chunk out of it so it feels incomplete (which still happens too goddamn often).
Shadoken
Member
Isnt that a bit tooo generous for DMC4SE? 2 years?
Did he work on Dragons dogma online at all?
DMC4SE was in development for over a year. We don't know exactly when they started, so I put 2013 in there assuming he started late 2013 or early 2014. Like I said, rough timeline.
DMC4SE has sold at least 40k units on Steam since January according to SteamSpy. DMC3SE has sold at least 11k, and DmC at least 30k: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140205
direct_quote
Member
True,but missing from those numbers is DMC4 vanilla was for Windows and not on steam for a while.. I remember because I had that copy..
So a bulk of original DMC4 sales won't be included in those figures.
That link though... wut.
Good point.
Still nice to see DD do well. It's at about 3.2 million sales total now, wonder if the PC and the incoming PS4/X1 versions will help push it to over 4 million.
Son Of Sparda
Member
Lol
badcrumble
Member
Oh my god, lol.
Here's the real one: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1402050&highlight=
DmC out sold all the DMC games on Steam combined. Beat out Dragon's Dogma and ever single RE game except for RE6 which isn't too far off either. In fact, it's the second highest selling game that Capcom has on Steam. That is no joke no matter how you look at it (even factoring in bundles because it's not like all those other Capcom games haven't been part of bundles).
But again, especially in the case for DMC4 most of its copies were sold on GFW. I still have the GFW version of DMC4 and many other Capcom games from that generation like RE5, SF4 and LP2.
But again, especially in the case for DMC4 most of its copies were sold on GFW. I still have the GFW version of DMC4 and many other Capcom games from that generation like RE5, SF4 and LP2.
DmC did really well on PC for a DMC but when it comes to DD it's not really fair to compare.
DmC has been on steam for 4.5 years, DD is closing in fast despite being released a year and a half ago.
Son Of Sparda
Member
I just saw the entire NPD chart for the month of May and holy shit, Nier is still holding on:
Not only that but it even charted in NA PSN sells for May.
I know Nier isn't an entirely action stylish game and has many RPG elements coupled with an amazing cast and story, but man, I think this shows (to some degree) how fucking thirsty people are for some good action games.
If Capcom doesn't fuck up DMC5, it might have the chance to be a pretty big success. Just don't fuck this one up Capcom, come on.
Not only that but it even charted in NA PSN sells for May.
I know Nier isn't an entirely action stylish game and has many RPG elements coupled with an amazing cast and story, but man, I think this shows (to some degree) how fucking thirsty people are for some good action games.
If Capcom doesn't fuck up DMC5, it might have the chance to be a pretty big success. Just don't fuck this one up Capcom, come on.
Yup. They have, on multiple occasions, given out DmC for pretty much pocket change and bundled with other games, which means people may not have even been intending to purchase it.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Is there a reason why they removed the line "Donkey Punch" from the Succubus fight in DmC? I mean, the rest of the thing still goes along with the whole "Dante is brutally murdering a date" with the whole "You're just too clingy", "you're dumped", "your prom date you ugly sack of shit", etc. I'm not screaming "censorship" or anything, it just seems weird that that was what they felt needed to be taken out.
I think it'd more have been a tone thing rather than being too suggestive - like Vergil's fedora, or 'the world is at last your bitch, as am I". I guess they thought it was an example of the obnoxiousness people disliked about the original, and improved the scene by its removal?
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
True, but then they left in the "I like it rough" quip to Kat and the whole Lilith/Demon Baby thing and a ton of "Whore" lines. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯
But seriously, what were they even going for with the fedora and blue gloves?
He legit looks like a dork.
_/¯But seriously, what were they even going for with the fedora and blue gloves?
He legit looks like a dork.
DmC in a humble bundle again (at $1 tier):
https://www.humblebundle.com/capcom...dium=Link&utm_campaign=Capcom_Rising_Announce
Where the hell are the other DMC options?
https://www.humblebundle.com/capcom...dium=Link&utm_campaign=Capcom_Rising_Announce
Where the hell are the other DMC options?
There's a DMC x Resident Evil fan film. It's pretty cool and well done.
Speak of the devil, pun slightly intended.
Speak of the devil, pun slightly intended.
badcrumble
Member
I think for a while last gen there was a seeming consensus that the entire stylish character action genre was dying (based largely on the lackluster sales performance of DmC and of plenty of Platinum games), but it's good to see that the truth may be a little bit more complicated than that.
Son Of Sparda
Member
Yep.
Now all we need is for someone to actually release a stylish action game and prove that the genre isn't dead yet.
lucebuce12
Member
Unrelated AF but they listened to some of your complaints about the new spider-man game: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1407468
Son Of Sparda
Member
Yeah, that's some good stuff. Though I wish they would've shown us a clip, showcasing his swinging at max speed.
lucebuce12
Member
Molto bene.
Too bad it's on my hated character.
shockthrill
Banned
I always thought a good idea would to have DMC 5 be post DMC 2
Dante is "lost" in hell (where he went at the end of DMC 2)
and remember the part where Lucy is in the house, and she hears the motorcycle thinking Dante returned, well actually it's Nero with his motorcycle sword fighting enemies
DMC 5 being Nero with Lucy searching for Dante in hell
Dante is "lost" in hell (where he went at the end of DMC 2)
and remember the part where Lucy is in the house, and she hears the motorcycle thinking Dante returned, well actually it's Nero with his motorcycle sword fighting enemies
DMC 5 being Nero with Lucy searching for Dante in hell
I think DMC2 is as non-canon as it can be without them declaring it.
Adressing it would mean following up on a plot from 14+ years ago. DMC4 meanwhile is fresher in people's minds, especially with 4SE having released just two years ago. I would imagine there's more demand to follow up on Dante and Nero after 4 than after 2. And Itsuno and team are probably more interested in following up on 4 as well. A lot of the 3 and 4 team members didn't even work on 2. Nero is "theirs", so to speak, while most if not all of them had no hand in Lucia's creation.
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In other news, Capcom presented their Q1 financial results today. Nothing DMC-related.
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Lastly, I thought this was interesting. Ya'll might remember this guy: https://twitter.com/junya_kumabe?lang=en
He worked on DMC4SE as a planner. Starting April 2015 he started tweeting DMC4SE-related stuff. After release, he tweeted and retweeted a bunch of DMC stuff, including combo videos. Most recently he retweeted a DMC5 rumor and Itsuno's tweet from late last year, both on the same day.
Kumabe worked on Dragon's Dogma as an Objects Quest Lead, as well as being a planner on DMC4SE. Most likely he'd be working under Itsuno again on whatever he's working on now.
Adressing it would mean following up on a plot from 14+ years ago. DMC4 meanwhile is fresher in people's minds, especially with 4SE having released just two years ago. I would imagine there's more demand to follow up on Dante and Nero after 4 than after 2. And Itsuno and team are probably more interested in following up on 4 as well. A lot of the 3 and 4 team members didn't even work on 2. Nero is "theirs", so to speak, while most if not all of them had no hand in Lucia's creation.
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In other news, Capcom presented their Q1 financial results today. Nothing DMC-related.
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Lastly, I thought this was interesting. Ya'll might remember this guy: https://twitter.com/junya_kumabe?lang=en
He worked on DMC4SE as a planner. Starting April 2015 he started tweeting DMC4SE-related stuff. After release, he tweeted and retweeted a bunch of DMC stuff, including combo videos. Most recently he retweeted a DMC5 rumor and Itsuno's tweet from late last year, both on the same day.
Kumabe worked on Dragon's Dogma as an Objects Quest Lead, as well as being a planner on DMC4SE. Most likely he'd be working under Itsuno again on whatever he's working on now.
Son Of Sparda
Member
But what about a Sparda prequel...
"Featuring Dante from the devil may cry series"
Son Of Sparda
Member
At this point, SMT Nocturne will pretty soon hunt my dreams.
Heh. I think that ship has sailed.
I predict Kobayashi will be there at Sony's stage to announce DMC x Dir en Grey the VR experience, which everyone will think is Itsuno's project.