Rhazer Fusion
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Amazing how well this game still plays and holds up after all of these years. On my second and a half play through on SOS mode.
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Devil May Cry 4 Special Edition |OT| Two girls, one motivated Vergil
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Son Of Sparda
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Finished LDK difficulty with girls the other day. S ranked the whole thing on my first try 
I can agree with this. Vergil is available to allow a vet DMC4 Dante to be experienced by more people but also clearly tuned to rough up enemies in LDK. The only issue is that LDK sucks but that at least doesn't apply to the visuals.
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Ah, I forgot that full/limited thread was yours on the forum. Explains your passion.
My TV is limited; it isn't that new despite still being pretty nice. Blacks are crushed hard when using full.
'cuz i'm bored and chain judgement cut is still driving me insane...
did ya'll know that vergil actually leaves a slight afterimage for all his attacks when his concentration level is at 2 or 3?
and that the afterimage for some insane reason is actually a second model loaded in by the game that's just a transparent vergil
you can swap out the afterimage model with whatever and it looks a lot cooler than the regular afterimage - especially in motion
see: swapping it with dante
did ya'll know that vergil actually leaves a slight afterimage for all his attacks when his concentration level is at 2 or 3?
and that the afterimage for some insane reason is actually a second model loaded in by the game that's just a transparent vergil
you can swap out the afterimage model with whatever and it looks a lot cooler than the regular afterimage - especially in motion
see: swapping it with dante
PS4 1080p vs PC 4K ds to 1080p
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/134714
Pay special attention to the detail in Vergil and the portal. The blur is really intense, so is the lack of AA, and the colors suffer. The PC version has a huge advantage here.
EDIT:
Both versions look better in motion. So the still does make the PS4 version's flaws stand out worse than your eye receives. Also, no idea what is going on with the shadows.
EDIT2:
lol Yes I do about the shadows. Somehow they got shut off on PC version. I know I didn't do that... Anyway, I fixed em so the shot should have them like the PS4 version.
EDIT3:
Here is a full PC 4K shot with shadows fixed.
Check out them pants!
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/134714
Pay special attention to the detail in Vergil and the portal. The blur is really intense, so is the lack of AA, and the colors suffer. The PC version has a huge advantage here.
EDIT:
Both versions look better in motion. So the still does make the PS4 version's flaws stand out worse than your eye receives. Also, no idea what is going on with the shadows.
EDIT2:
lol Yes I do about the shadows. Somehow they got shut off on PC version. I know I didn't do that... Anyway, I fixed em so the shot should have them like the PS4 version.
EDIT3:
Here is a full PC 4K shot with shadows fixed.
Check out them pants!
This is not a framebuffer test but I'll snap one if you would like; different test. This forum is way to wound up on misleading shots.
EDIT:
Are you fucking kidding me? Twitter or facebook Sony?
Shadow_Lord
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You can copy screenshot to a flash drive. Much less compression there.
Even if Vergil is hilariously broken when put up against 4's existing enemies, I'd hope the focus in 5 would lean more towards designing enemies that remain engaging with his set of tools, rather than nerfing him beyond the requirements of basic balance.
Interesting, I'll have to try that - it explains the duplicate Vergil .arc, at least. You should replace his afterimage with one of the Angelo armours for the maximum amount of clumsy symbolism.
A shame the Yamato phantom's missing most of the required anatomy to serve as a stand-in - as it is, the only thing that can be successfully swapped over it is Echidna. Which doesn't look bad, in a Madama Butterfly sort of way...
I think a DMC4(SE).5 could actually be fairly successful, depending on which aspects they choose to overhaul completely and what's merely iterated upon. If the existing philosophy of combat and enemy design was just expanded with no major overhauls (and even liberal amounts of animation recycling) - but paired with far more cohesive level design, writing and overall structure; it'd probably lead to something very well-received; as opposed to a project with prohibitively high production values which could be compromised significantly by time or budget concerns - DMC5 repeating 4's worst flaws or falling into Deep Down's endless purgatory would be tragic.
Though the facial animation should probably be one of the first targets for improvement, even with a more iterative model...
'cuz i'm bored and chain judgement cut is still driving me insane...
did ya'll know that vergil actually leaves a slight afterimage for all his attacks when his concentration level is at 2 or 3?
and that the afterimage for some insane reason is actually a second model loaded in by the game that's just a transparent vergil
you can swap out the afterimage model with whatever and it looks a lot cooler than the regular afterimage - especially in motion
see: swapping it with dante
Interesting, I'll have to try that - it explains the duplicate Vergil .arc, at least. You should replace his afterimage with one of the Angelo armours for the maximum amount of clumsy symbolism.
A shame the Yamato phantom's missing most of the required anatomy to serve as a stand-in - as it is, the only thing that can be successfully swapped over it is Echidna. Which doesn't look bad, in a Madama Butterfly sort of way...
I think a DMC4(SE).5 could actually be fairly successful, depending on which aspects they choose to overhaul completely and what's merely iterated upon. If the existing philosophy of combat and enemy design was just expanded with no major overhauls (and even liberal amounts of animation recycling) - but paired with far more cohesive level design, writing and overall structure; it'd probably lead to something very well-received; as opposed to a project with prohibitively high production values which could be compromised significantly by time or budget concerns - DMC5 repeating 4's worst flaws or falling into Deep Down's endless purgatory would be tragic.
Though the facial animation should probably be one of the first targets for improvement, even with a more iterative model...
BKatastrophe
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Venom character action game. I'll buy it.
Character action games have a rough time in reviews. That said, this is DMC, so I'd believe it.
Necessary seeing, dude.During scene with Dante reading the magazine I never looked at screens to see what the magazine says. Thought I'd take a screen to check:
I still have no idea. Although I like there seems to be an article about the food that Dante likes.
It's been replaced by a Shoryuken/Shoryureppa. He sort of still has it as part of his DT Kick-13 combo.
'cuz i'm bored and chain judgement cut is still driving me insane...
did ya'll know that vergil actually leaves a slight afterimage for all his attacks when his concentration level is at 2 or 3?
and that the afterimage for some insane reason is actually a second model loaded in by the game that's just a transparent vergil
you can swap out the afterimage model with whatever and it looks a lot cooler than the regular afterimage - especially in motion
see: swapping it with dante
This is pretty cool looking. Any video of how it looks in motion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CXxkok72A0
Very short clip cause Vergil is so OP. Just practicing for now, PS4 lag is tough to adapt to.
EDIT:
Here is a pretty crappy combo but good to look it to learn simple aerial cancels. My just timings are all off on PS4 but working on it. Worn out for now. Probably play tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQIbLw2n9uM
Very short clip cause Vergil is so OP. Just practicing for now, PS4 lag is tough to adapt to.
EDIT:
Here is a pretty crappy combo but good to look it to learn simple aerial cancels. My just timings are all off on PS4 but working on it. Worn out for now. Probably play tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQIbLw2n9uM
Shadow_Lord
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That's sick man. I saw someone parry it with the taunt lol. Blew my mind
'cuz i'm bored and chain judgement cut is still driving me insane...
did ya'll know that vergil actually leaves a slight afterimage for all his attacks when his concentration level is at 2 or 3?
and that the afterimage for some insane reason is actually a second model loaded in by the game that's just a transparent vergil
you can swap out the afterimage model with whatever and it looks a lot cooler than the regular afterimage - especially in motion
see: swapping it with dante
So,who's the stand in that pic?
You need to have a SS combo or higher.
Yes, quite a bit actually. Word is due to forced vsync, which makes sense. Causes issues mostly with just inputs for judgment cuts and defensive teleports. You can work to adapt but lag-free PC version is the best gameplay experience.
Shadow_Lord
Member
Any chance it will be removed in a patch?
Doubt it. The vast majority of players won't notice it and it is just something that often can happen with console versions. It's a tech choice, like AA.
Your TV, your wireless controller, and certain graphical "enhancements" all introduce varying levels of input lag. Vsync is one such "enhancement" that inherently adds a little input lag, probably a frame or so. Unless they actually straight up remove Vsync, the lag will be there.
At the same time, I think it's consistent. There aren't really any hitches in the framerate, so it really just means there might be slightly (a frame or so) of timing change between the PS4 version and the PC version without Vsync.
I'm not entirely sure about dedicated guides. I was waiting for someone better qualified to answer you and there are a lot of S rank playthroughs on Youtube you can use as reference, but here are a few "advanced" tactics in DMC1:
-Shotgun Hiking: Once an enemy is airborne, the shotgun actually causes it to launch up instead of away. After a hightime, you can use this property to continuously enemy step x shotgun x enemy step x shotgun in a loop to elevate yourself and the enemy (marionette).
-DT Canceling: Turn off DT immediately after performing DT only moves to preserve DT and actually gain back some DT upon hitting the enemy. This was especially common with Ifrit's Inferno and Kick-13, since you gain back substantial DT, which allows you to chain the moves several times against groups and bosses.
-Twitch Canceling: While in attack animation, flicking the left stick in a quick 360 will cancel recovery or reset combos. For example, Dante can repeat the first two hits of Alastor's combo indefinitely by twitch canceling before the third slash. Twitch canceling also allows for more rapid shotgun firing.
-Grenade Rolling: Canceling grenade shot recovery with jumps/rolls
At the same time, I think it's consistent. There aren't really any hitches in the framerate, so it really just means there might be slightly (a frame or so) of timing change between the PS4 version and the PC version without Vsync.
I'm not entirely sure about dedicated guides. I was waiting for someone better qualified to answer you and there are a lot of S rank playthroughs on Youtube you can use as reference, but here are a few "advanced" tactics in DMC1:
-Shotgun Hiking: Once an enemy is airborne, the shotgun actually causes it to launch up instead of away. After a hightime, you can use this property to continuously enemy step x shotgun x enemy step x shotgun in a loop to elevate yourself and the enemy (marionette).
-DT Canceling: Turn off DT immediately after performing DT only moves to preserve DT and actually gain back some DT upon hitting the enemy. This was especially common with Ifrit's Inferno and Kick-13, since you gain back substantial DT, which allows you to chain the moves several times against groups and bosses.
-Twitch Canceling: While in attack animation, flicking the left stick in a quick 360 will cancel recovery or reset combos. For example, Dante can repeat the first two hits of Alastor's combo indefinitely by twitch canceling before the third slash. Twitch canceling also allows for more rapid shotgun firing.
-Grenade Rolling: Canceling grenade shot recovery with jumps/rolls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqjp8KJuaTM&feature=youtu.be
just swinging at air but you can see what it looks like i guess. it's really neat especially with the color contrast
you can skip whenever it changes scenes, that's just showing that i did it with agnus too and it doesn't look nearly as cool
well that and agnus's entire body is missing whenever i have gauntlets on
also tried it with vergil's DT and it looked really bad 'cuz of the shared color scheme
that's the dreadnought form for dante, it's just part of his regular model. it's also why he's rocking the gilgamesh gauntlet/leggings
I think it looks pretty nice. Can you swap female models in, or are they incompatible? It's just nice to know that people have customization options.
I haven't tried any of them on either Vergil, but most of the female characters' models work fine over Nero and Dante (and vice versa - Dreadnought Dante and Alto Angelo with Trish's walk animation are oddly hypnotic). Though a lot of characters have missing parts on Nero, as you can see there Dante usually has a permanent Dreadnought / Gilgamesh, and there are a few character-specific issues like Kyrie's dress animating weirdly.
lol, please post a video or gif. Mods like these fascinate me.
Aside from some slight performance issues on LDK mode specifically, the XBone version seems fine:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-devil-may-cry-4-special-edition-face-off
ShinMaruku
Member
Those mods remind me of the Ninja Gaiden mods where I made Momiji and Ayane had Tommy's move set. Pretty godlike. XD
Shadow_Lord
Member
I have a question, why, in Vergil's intro does it say
? Shouldn't it be one
at most?
"A few decades ago"
decade ago
All we know is that it takes place before DMC3. We don't know how far before DMC3 exactly, though I guess we can postulate from Nero's age, which is sort of unconfirmed. Somewhere between 17-20 years? Maybe they rounded up.
Reuploaded my Angus vid of where I forgot the boss fight existed and went in as Vergil. Cheesed the entire thing.
https://youtu.be/XVQYhyWXpj4
Because the writers don't give a fuck about the story.
https://youtu.be/XVQYhyWXpj4
Because the writers don't give a fuck about the story.
Shadow_Lord
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Ok, Math time. Isn't it agreed that DMC4 is 10 years after DMC3 (Itsuno said so or something). And Dante is 28, in DMC4, so he was 18 in DMC3. For it to be a few decades ago, at the very least it has to have to have been two, which is twenty years, and Vergil and Dante would've been 8. I think they fucked up somewhere along the line
Yeah, I think this is the correct answer lol
ShinMaruku
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Uploaded my latest run with Nero:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3EZOSH63u0
What pointer should I take?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3EZOSH63u0
What pointer should I take?
I don't think so. Dante was 19 in DMC3. I think a very very early interview with Kobayashi said 10 years after or something, but that's clearly must have changed as is evidenced by Nero's age. Uncle Dante looks more in his mid-30s. I'm pretty sure there was another interview stating that Dante was approaching 40.
Shadow_Lord
Member
Yeah, if they retcon the 10 years thing, then it will make a lot more sense.
PensivePen
Member
DMC1 takes place when Dante is 28. Their mother died when Dante and Vergil were eight, and Trish says it was 20 years prior to that game.
Edit: Actually them being eight was from the manga, I thought it was from a game. Still the flashback cutscene after defeating Nelo Angelo makes a strong case for him being in his mid-20s during that game.
Edit: Actually them being eight was from the manga, I thought it was from a game. Still the flashback cutscene after defeating Nelo Angelo makes a strong case for him being in his mid-20s during that game.
Shadow_Lord
Member
So, if the Kobayashi interview still stands, it's only months before DMC1 and DMC4?
There was a PSM interview with Kobayashi where he said Dante was approaching 40 in DMC4.
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/play...eal-psm3-uk-info-of-devil-may-cry-4-25571152/
It makes the most sense given what we know about Nero, and it closes those gaps.
Shadow_Lord
Member
Yup. That seals it then. Also, lol @"Combines the best parts of DMC1 and DMC3" like shitty level design right?
ArclightBorealis
Member
Thanks for the info. I had already discovered most of that tech listed on my own at some point, save for the Twitch Cancelling. Revisiting this game's been providing a nice contrast to DMC4's campaign and some of the similarities in enemy designs (and just how much better the pacing and environment in general is).
BumblebeeCody
Member
Xbox One version has chugged a few times too.
Niiiice.
My personal fav Vergil move is either raining swords or that crazy rapid draw with Yamato. I am really bad at this game but I just love the combat engine and animations so much.
prodystopian
Member
Thanks for posting. I need to start trying to be more consistent with combos. Are there any good tutorials on combos with Vergil around yet?
Not yet but you can check out some compilation info here for advanced stuff.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/106622-devil-may-cry-4-special-edition/72108689
I will likely this week at least write up some helpful tidbits.
BP1 (we all know how annoying this trio can be)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UMxS1UM3xY
BP2 (judgement cut is OP as fuck)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9c03IrPRPE
Combo3 (teles are the best)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K7TBBrPX-o
I'm about 60% with Vergil. I have no been able to weave a lot more advanced stuff in yet due to lack of practice. Damn fun character though. Easily my favorite now after DMC3 Dante.
direct_quote
Member
I don't know if people noticed this, but Vergil's concentration circle thing turns off for a second whenever Vergil sheathes his sword.. Also with just frame judgement cuts.