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[gofreak]

Yes, I'm sure Epic will exclude Nextbox support for UE4 to make a certain Sony apologist feel good.

Err...stand down, soldier. I am SURE Epic is testing UE4 on any new kit they have. That's why I am surprised we're not hearing about that vs Samaritan.

There's no way UE4 won't be on at least two if not three consoles next-gen. Epic needs the console market for their new thing as much as the console market needs Epic, if not perhaps moreso.

 

[Durante]

5-6 times is to low. wouldn't be surprised that in year 3 of next xbox apple has hardware more powerful out there with their yearly releases.

You do realize that now, 7 years after the release of Xbox 360, the latest iPad is still around 15 times slower than that console?

 

[RooMHM]

Samaritan may be dark, but it didn't seem "dudebro" to me at all. Unless cyberpunk is now dudbro, in which case you can call me bro, dude.

The design was shitty but not dudebro I concede. However the animation and the whole script was more than I could handle. Hollywood bad level. Epic level.

 

[DoDonGouki]

I can't wait to learn the title of the game that this tech demo represents.

"Brown with Guns II: Casual Corridor Terror"

 

[nelsonroyale]

Exciting! I just hope that if Samaritan becomes a game it is not exclusive to the xbox. Likely I will be going with the new PS if it matches or betters the power of Xbox

 

[bgassassin]

I just mentioned in another thread, but considering the formula they gave I wonder how much of a drop in the ops per pixel occurred thanks to the switch to FXAA. Even with only a 25% reduction that would bring down the 1080p TFLOP requirement to ~1.9 TFLOPs. That should be much more manageable for a next gen console.

 

[KageMaru]

Yeah that's why I'm not surprised by this. Next xbox will be pitiful if it's only that much stronger. A 5 year next gen will feel even longer than this one due to that tiny of a power leap.

Those rumors are mostly pointless and all over the place. One says 5-6 times more powerful, another says at least 8 times more powerful, and in the end it's all rubbish since there is no indication to what these measurements are based on.

Also you guys are ignoring the part where it's hinted that these systems may match Kepler levels of performance. That's no tiny leap in power.

XBOX sales in February 2012 were down 20% from February of 2011; fewer people are buying the system and I do not believe Microsoft will not let sales fall off a cliff (as Nintendo did with the Wii). I do not see a scenario where Microsoft waits 18 months or longer to launch a new console.

Both MS and Sony have enough wiggle room with pricing to make the systems attractive for a couple years still IMO. The average selling price of the 360 is still ~$300 IIRC, and the sales of both systems on black Friday last year shows that there is still interest in the current gen.

5-6 times is to low. wouldn't be surprised that in year 3 of next xbox apple has hardware more powerful out there with their yearly releases.

Not going to happen. The newest Ipad still isn't nearly as fast as the 360 and ps3 for example.

 

[gaming_noob]

Why are some so sure PS4 is more powerful than Durango?

 

[Brimstone]

XBOX sales in February 2012 were down 20% from February of 2011; fewer people are buying the system and I do not believe Microsoft will not let sales fall off a cliff (as Nintendo did with the Wii). I do not see a scenario where Microsoft waits 18 months or longer to launch a new console.

There are many possible factors in play. One in particular is a company that vastly more powerful than Sony and Nintendo.

 

[KageMaru]

Why are some so sure PS4 is more powerful than Durango?

IMO because some people already decided that's the console they are buying, so they want it to be true.

Edit:

it be out later?

next gen Wii U =Nextbox===> PS4

PS4 I think we be 2014 maybe late 2013

Saw you post this in the Wii-U thread and you really couldn't be more wrong IMO.

 

[jump_button]

Why are some so sure PS4 is more powerful than Durango?

it be out later?

next gen Wii U =Nextbox===> PS4

PS4 I think we be 2014 maybe late 2013

as always it be about who can get games

 

[sixteen-bit]

Exciting.

 

[Lord Error]

The important question I guess is - what resolution? One Kepler card was able to run it in 1080p/30FPS if I remember correctly. If the console version ends up running in 720p, that's not nearly the same performance.

You do realize that now, 7 years after the release of Xbox 360, the latest iPad is still around 15 times slower than that console?

Latest Ipad has GPU that's similar or equal to Vita, and that thing is most definitely not 15 times slower than current consoles.

 

[szaromir]

Err...stand down, soldier. I am SURE Epic is testing UE4 on any new kit they have. That's why I am surprised we're not hearing about that vs Samaritan.

There's no way UE4 won't be on at least two if not three consoles next-gen. Epic needs the console market for their new thing as much as the console market needs Epic, if not perhaps moreso.

I still don't see how you consider UE3 on next gen hardware not being the priority for Epic, given that Epic has a ton of licensees waiting to port their UE3 games to next gen machines. Epic getting Samaritan (and thus UE3) running on nextbox first is only logical and not interesting, unless it'd imply no UE4 on nextbox.

 

[Lovegooder]

I just hope that if Samaritan becomes a game it is not exclusive to the xbox.

Exclusives sell consoles. Shit happens.

 

[KageMaru]

The important question I guess is - what resolution? One Kepler card was able to run it in 1080p/30FPS if I remember correctly. If the console version ends up running in 720p, that's not nearly the same performance.

Latest Ipad has GPU that's similar or equal to Vita, and that thing is most definitely not 15 times slower than current consoles.

It's significantly slower than the PS360, that's all that matters.

 

[TheOddOne]

IMO because some people already decided that's the console they are buying, so they want it to be true.

It's funny, cause it's mosly true.

 

[Triple U]

Latest Ipad has GPU that's similar or equal to Vita, and that thing is most definitely not 15 times slower than current consoles.

What are you basing this off?

I still don't see how you consider UE3 on next gen hardware not being the priority for Epic, given that Epic has a ton of licensees waiting to port their UE3 games to next gen machines. Epic getting Samaritan (and thus UE3) running on nextbox first is only logical and not interesting, unless it'd imply no UE4 on nextbox.

Because they have a new more expensive product they want to sell?

 

[Globox_82]

Why are some so sure PS4 is more powerful than Durango?

Like power really matters.

 

[szaromir]

Because they have a new more expensive product they want to sell?

You think they'll license UE4 for more money? On top of that, I'm sure UE4 is undergoing extensive development atm, but from what I understood the first UE4 games aren't expected to be ready at launch of next gen consoles, besides the bulk of game development happens on PC even the target is a multiplatform/console only game.
OTOH there might be plenty of games willing to port their UE3 efforts for nextgen platforms at their launch, because it's easier to do so. Providing them tools first would seem the most logical.

 

[gaming_noob]

Like power really matters.

To me it does. To most here too

 

[PnCIa]

People, it´s a techdemo. No AI and no gameplay, so dont get too excited.

 

[Jocchan]

Of course Samaritan runs on the next Xbox, and of course UE4 will run as well. They, you know, made them for a reason.

 

[mugurumakensei]

Those rumors are mostly pointless and all over the place. One says 5-6 times more powerful, another says at least 8 times more powerful, and in the end it's all rubbish since there is no indication to what these measurements are based on.

Also you guys are ignoring the part where it's hinted that these systems may match Kepler levels of performance. That's no tiny leap in power.

Actually that is in the 5-8x power gap given a 680 is weaker than a 590. Kepler is mostly focused not on power increases but performance per watt.

 

[DarkChild]

People, it´s a techdemo. No AI and no gameplay, so dont get too excited.

E3 2005 demos(except CGi KZ2) where all eclipsed by some margin. Samaritan will not represent what next gen is capable of, neither will UE4.

 

[KageMaru]

You think they'll license UE4 for more money? On top of that, I'm sure UE4 is undergoing extensive development atm, but from what I understood the first UE4 games aren't expected to be ready at launch of next gen consoles, besides the bulk of game development happens on PC even the target is a multiplatform/console only game.
OTOH there might be plenty of games willing to port their UE3 efforts for nextgen platforms at their launch, because it's easier to do so. Providing them tools first would seem the most logical.

The end of the article linked in the OP specifically talks about how Epic lowered the price of UE3 significantly. I think it's safe to say they'll charge more for UE4, especially if it makes UE3 look like crap.

 

[Busty]

Yes, I'm sure Epic will exclude Nextbox support for UE4 to make a certain Sony apologist feel good.

It sounds to me like you're the one that is worried about the 'Nextbox' and it's performance.

People, it´s a techdemo. No AI and no gameplay, so dont get too excited.

EXACTLY. But we go through this sort of shit during every console generation transition.

People getting into fierce pissing contests to argue which console should get a tech demo that is nothing more than a glorified cinematic never mind an actual game as an exclusive.

 

[Aizu_Itsuko]

IMO because some people already decided that's the console they are buying, so they want it to be true.

This may be the case for some people but many others expect the PS4 to be a little faster because all points to Sony releasing their next gen system after the competition.

 

[Busty]

This may be the case for some people but many others expect the PS4 to be a little faster because all points to Sony releasing their next gen system after the competition.

So basically it's the 360 and PS3 all over again?

And if so I fully expect Sony to release their new home console at a more 'realistic' price point.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

This may be the case for some people but many others expect the PS4 to be a little faster because all points to Sony releasing their next gen system after the competition.

What exactly points to the PS3 releasing in 2014 rather than 2013? Game announcements? Sales? Hardware rumors? The only thing I've seen is a desire for Sony to have a clear hardware advantage over the competition, and there are a million financial reasons why that doesn't make sense.

 

[Triple U]

You think they'll license UE4 for more money? On top of that, I'm sure UE4 is undergoing extensive development atm, but from what I understood the first UE4 games aren't expected to be ready at launch of next gen consoles, besides the bulk of game development happens on PC even the target is a multiplatform/console only game.
OTOH there might be plenty of games willing to port their UE3 efforts for nextgen platforms at their launch, because it's easier to do so. Providing them tools first would seem the most logical.

Well UE3 has recieved a few price drops since its launch and its highly doubtful that they would license this product that they've spent all this time and R&D and money on at a discounted price. It'll probably be similar to UE3's launch price.

As for your second point, UE3s next-gen tools have been available for the better part of a year now. Developers(and Hobbyists for that matter) have pretty much all of the tools they need to make a Samaritan quality game right now. Of course they still have to get it up and running on newer platforms but Epic doesn't have to focus so much on UE3.

UE4 is without a doubt the top priority at Epic right now.

People, it´s a techdemo. No AI and no gameplay, so dont get too excited.

What is this supposed to mean?

 

[KageMaru]

People, it´s a techdemo. No AI and no gameplay, so dont get too excited.

Can care less about the tech demo, but it's nice to hear about an estimated level of performance.

Actually that is in the 5-8x power gap given a 680 is weaker than a 590.

Well of course a 680 would be weaker than a dual GPU card =p

My point was all these rumors stating system Y is X times faster than system Z is pointless without context. How "power" is measured and evaluated can be twisted in so many ways it's not even funny.

E3 2005 demos(except CGi KZ2) where all eclipsed by some margin. Samaritan will not represent what next gen is capable of, neither will UE4.

Not entirely true, we never got character models that looked as good as the Alfred Molina tech demo. =p

This may be the case for some people but many others expect the PS4 to be a little faster because all points to Sony releasing their next gen system after the competition.

No, that's what people are assuming. IMO we haven't seen anything to indicate either will launch much later than the other. In fact, Sony has specifically said they don't want to give the competition such a head start again next gen.

 

[Majanew]

So basically it's the 360 and PS3 all over again?

And if so I fully expect Sony to release their new home console at a more 'realistic' price point.

This may be the case for some people but many others expect the PS4 to be a little faster because all points to Sony releasing their next gen system after the competition.

Yeah, that worked out with PS3 releasing one year after 360, didn't it? Sony's just rolling in the money too. lol

 

[Busty]

Yeah, that worked out with PS3 releasing one year after 360, didn't it? Sony's just rolling in the money too. lol

I love how your reply is a heady mix of not reading my reply and clearly being nervous about the specs/performance of the 'next box'.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

So Pachter was right?

 

[Majanew]

I love how your reply is a heady mix of not reading my reply and clearly being nervous about the specs/performance of the 'next box'.

Stating facts makes me nervous? And I imagine playing BF3/Skyrim with 2GB GDDR5 instead of 512MB GDDR3 and 6-8x the power of 360. That's fine with me.

 

[dragonelite]

People, it´s a techdemo. No AI and no gameplay, so dont get too excited.

Not sure but the AI is run on the cpu i think unless the off load AI code to GPU now.

 

[KageMaru]

Not sure but the AI is run on the cpu i think unless the off load AI code to GPU now.

Yeah AI does run on the CPU, but still there are short cuts and other factors developers don't have to worry about when showcasing a tech demo, which makes them pretty pointless 99% of the time.

 

[Triple U]

Yeah AI does run on the CPU, but still there are short cuts and other factors developers don't have to worry about when showcasing a tech demo, which makes them pretty pointless 99% of the time.

I wouldn't call them pointless.

 

[Aizu_Itsuko]

What exactly points to the PS3 releasing in 2014 rather than 2013? Game announcements? Sales? Hardware rumors? The only thing I've seen is a desire for Sony to have a clear hardware advantage over the competition, and there are a million financial reasons why that doesn't make sense.

Lack of rumors about the system when we already have details about the other two.

We know Nintendo is releasing first and we actually know quite a bit about Wii U and have heard details about devkits. We also know a thing or two about the next Xbox (including GPUs being used on the devkits) even if we still lack some fundamental details. At this moment we barely know a thing about the PS4 other than "it's coming at some point". Everything seems to point:

Wii U = 2H 2012
Next Xbox = 2H 2013
PS3 = 2013/2014

Either that or Sony has some good ninjas...

Does it even matter? It's just speculation.

 

[KageMaru]

I wouldn't call them pointless.

Well it's not pointless in how it shows the engine's features, but I don't think it's safe to assume a fully functional game would look as good as a tech demo.

UE3 is a great example, they can show a tech demo saying we have bokeh DoF, tessellation, deferred lighting, etc. but that doesn't mean we'll see all of these effects being used in a game at the same time.

Lack of rumors about the system when we already have details about the other two.

We know Nintendo is releasing first and we actually know quite a bit about Wii U and have heard details about devkits. We also know a thing or two about the next Xbox (including GPUs being used on the devkits) even if we still lack some fundamental details. At this moment we barely know a thing about the PS4 other than "it's coming at some point". Everything seems to point:

Wii U = 2H 2012
Next Xbox = 2H 2013
PS3 = 2013/2014

Either that or Sony has some good ninjas...

Does it even matter? It's just speculation.

We have some details on Wii-U, nothing but rumors on the 720 and ps4.

We don't know the GPU being used in Xbox dev kits, that was just a rumor for example.

We know both MS and Sony have studios working on next gen projects, that is all we basically know at this point.

 

[guek]

Next Xbox games looking like crap confirmed.

Spoiler

well done haha

 

[Aizu_Itsuko]

No, that's what people are assuming. IMO we haven't seen anything to indicate either will launch much later than the other. In fact, Sony has specifically said they don't want to give the competition such a head start again next gen.

Fair enough.

It's too early at this point to know for sure, especially when plans could still change to some degree.

 

[i-Lo]

What exactly points to the PS3 releasing in 2014 rather than 2013? Game announcements? Sales? Hardware rumors? The only thing I've seen is a desire for Sony to have a clear hardware advantage over the competition, and there are a million financial reasons why that doesn't make sense.

Lack of rumors about the system when we already have details about the other two.

We know Nintendo is releasing first and we actually know quite a bit about Wii U and have heard details about devkits. We also know a thing or two about the next Xbox (including GPUs being used on the devkits) even if we still lack some fundamental details. At this moment we barely know a thing about the PS4 other than "it's coming at some point". Everything seems to point:

Wii U = 2H 2012
Next Xbox = 2H 2013
PS3 = 2013/2014

Either that or Sony has some good ninjas...

Does it even matter? It's just speculation.

I can tell you it'll have 512MB of RAM, Cell processor, SixaxiS control and more importantly it'll "has no gamez"

On a more serious note, all the secrecy at Sony points to some amount of flexibility with the design that is yet to be finalized, more so than perhaps MS.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I can tell you it'll have 512MB of RAM, Cell processor, SixaxiS control and more importantly it'll "has no gamez"

On a more serious note, all the secrecy at Sony points to some amount of flexibility with the design that is yet to be finalized, more so than perhaps MS.

As posted above, we have rumors about both MS and Sony's next consoles. The 720 rumors stretch from a 6670 gpu to > 7970 gpu, and the release date from 2012 to 2014. Most of them are obviously bullshit, aside from the ones concerning game dev x shifting their resources/hiring for next gen.

 

[i-Lo]

As posted above, we have rumors about both MS and Sony's next consoles. The 720 rumors stretch from a 6670 gpu to > 7970 gpu, and the release date from 2012 to 2014. Most of them are obviously bullshit, aside from the ones concerning game dev x shifting their resources/hiring for next gen.

Yea, I heard about MS though. I do believe if the console launches around Q3-4 2013 then it'll be based on Radeon 8XXX (most likely midrange) due to power efficiency solutions in their next design. It would also mean that the current simulated Xbox 3 devkits are probably running on radeons ranging from R7870 to 7970.

Also, with regards to CPU, I don't know if this rumour is looked into. It could still very well be a new 360.

I have yet to hear rumours about PS4 beside the claims that they may go AMD CPU and GPU, stacking is being used extensively. However, I haven't heard any rumour about GPU specifics.

 

[iceatcs]

So it must be either PS4 or GTX680 or maybe AMD new card running UE4 behind the door.

 

[KageMaru]

So it must be either PS4 or GTX680 or maybe AMD new card running UE4 behind the door.

How do you figure that?

BTW it was confirmed that UE4 on kepler, or so I thought.

 

[Lonely1]

I just mentioned in another thread, but considering the formula they gave I wonder how much of a drop in the ops per pixel occurred thanks to the switch to FXAA. Even with only a 25% reduction that would bring down the 1080p TFLOP requirement to ~1.9 TFLOPs. That should be much more manageable for a next gen console.

And can drop further down by targeting 720p.

 

[iceatcs]

How do you figure that?

BTW it was confirmed that UE4 on kepler, or so I thought.

Well some people went GDC said there is UE4 demo behind the door, running on NDA hardware. I assume it must be Nvidia too.