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[2345425]

Clearly any game would basically have to assume 90% is the minimum it could get and not absolutely rely on more. It's possible a game using this could use dynamic resolution or something, or just use the extra power to not drop frames as badly, but don't expect higher quality graphics, since games wll never be able to assume the power is always around unless ms somehow feels like disabling snap for one game (which is a bad idea).

And yes, this is somewhat of a desperate move; games traditionally on consoles assume fixed resources and are faster because of it; it's entirely uncertain how well a game could both do this and also use the extra resources it may have for a performance boost in a non-negligible way without complicated programming that most games will never bother with.

So assuming this is true it could make development notably more complex if developers try to take advantage of the additional allocation?

 

[frizby]

Hmm. So Forza 5 is running a 1080p 60 on just 1.18tflops. Dead Rising 3 large world, no loading time, tons of perpetual generating zombies all with 10% less power than thought. Ryse even at 900p is arguably the best looking next gen launch. Even Guerilla, (KZSF) didn't believe how good it looked,


http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Crytek-Ryse-Look-Better-Xbox-One-Than-It-Did-E3-59478.html
With 10% less power than thought.

I guess it all how you look at it.

With the massive power advantage PS4 has I would have expect every game to look like that Dark Sorcerer tech demo they showed. But just this past weekend little ole Knack was seen dropping frames.

This is a masterpiece.

 

[GodofWine]

Hmm. So Forza 5 is running a 1080p 60 on just 1.18tflops. Dead Rising 3 large world, no loading time, tons of perpetual generating zombies all with 10% less power than thought. Ryse even at 900p is arguably the best looking next gen launch.

I guess it all how you look at it.

I guess it is.

Some think Forza looks like Forza, DR3 wasnt exaclty coasting to a locked 30, and that Ryse looks real neat in its cut scenes.

But thats all way OT...and I do think all the games look good for each console.

MS obviously has a lack of power, and they are obviously working on that, this actually improves gaming for everyone. If devs can take less time getting multiplats to run at their targeted performance, then they can spend extra time adding some shine to ALL the ports.

 

[marjo]

Relevant question would be, how much of those 10% can they really unlock. A quarter? Half? Certainly not all of it.

So what are we talking about? A 3% boost?

Microsoft's new add campaign:

"Now only 47% slower then the competition!"

 

[Raydeen]

I would what the number of articles it is Leadbetter has to hit before he's offered the job, or perhaps its measured by their effect on pre-orders?

Have Cerny and Leadbetter ever been seen in the same room as each other.... Scooby Doo Leadbetter masks ahoy.

 

[SoundofSilence]

You can bet your bottom dollar it is on its way. Its the only way Xbox One will be competitive with the PS4.

That would be quite a reversal after saying that XB1 was entirely built around Kinect.

 

[XBOunity]

Xbox One teraflop for gaming

.31

 

[SquiddyCracker]

So all the numbers they've been throwing around now for the GPU clock, were actually not taking into account the stuff reserved for Kinect?

Their 1.66TFlops were actually 1.494Tflops (for games) from the very start.
Quite disingenuous of MS.

 

[skdoo]

Why does DF continue to make apologies for MS all the time? They sure aren't appearing unbiased at all - oh it is Leadbetter again. Maybe he is applying for a job with MS?

 

[Skeff]

.31

or .18 for games on a games console.

 

[DeFiBkIlLeR]

I would what the number of articles it is Leadbetter has to hit before he's offered the job, or perhaps its measured by their effect on pre-orders?

People like you really are tiresome little nobody's.

 

[IAmRandom31]

So all the numbers they've been throwing around now for the GPU clock, were actually not taking into account the stuff reserved for Kinect?

Their 1.66TFlops were actually 1.494Tflops (for games) from the very start.
Quite disingenuous of MS.

?

When was the Xbox One ever 1.66TFLOPs?

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

.31

.17*

That's what you get when you take away 10% for the OS. I can't believe how no one can comprehend what this article is saying.

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

Drop kinect = better system. That snap stuff is a waste of resources as well.

 

[LiquidSolid]

Would stuff like video streaming/recording and in game video chat require the GPU?

Streaming and recording wouldn't. In-game video chat would, if it's been announced (I'm not sure it has), but even then the footprint would be tiny.

 

[IN&OUT]

.17

FIXED

 

[Cidd]

So all the numbers they've been throwing around now for the GPU clock, were actually not taking into account the stuff reserved for Kinect?

Their 1.66TFlops were actually 1.494Tflops (for games) from the very start.
Quite disingenuous of MS.

uhm what?

Xbone= 1.31 Tflops

PS4 = 1.84 Tflops

 

[stryke]

So all the numbers they've been throwing around now for the GPU clock, were actually not taking into account the stuff reserved for Kinect?

Their 1.66TFlops were actually 1.494Tflops (for games) from the very start.
Quite disingenuous of MS.

Where on earth did you get those figures from?

 

[gaming_noob]

Oh, that post history.

Lots of defending Ryse, DR3 and Forza and slamming Killzone with just a dash of thread whining and GAF stereotyping.



Probably.

Since Sly_ only had 32 posts, I decided to go through them. I don't know about him deciding not to buy seasons pass for Killzone (and sticking with the base game) and finding GG's comments about flexible framerate laughable is any way of "slamming" Killzone.

On another note, are we not allowed to prefer the Xbone, or any other console over another? Your post history shows you have a preference to PS4, so should people be calling you out?

 

[Pie and Beans]

Have Cerny and Leadbetter ever been seen in the same room as each other.... Scooby Doo Leadbetter masks ahoy.

Maybe its a Jekyll/Hyde situation. By day, design worlds most powerful console architecture. By night, spin competitor console's flaws endlessly.

People like you really are tiresome little nobody's.

Oh boy oh boy!!

 

[PeregrinSe7en]

What? I am just curious if they could do it, not that they will are or. I'm not trying to win any type of argument or anything. I asked to satisfy my own curiosity.

Good job on attacking innocent members legitimate questions and turning it into some silly war.

this. is. neogaf.

amidoingitrite?

 

[funkystudent]

Wait.

So this is another one of those DF stories thats meant to make Microsoft look really good but accidentally shows the console is actually worse then we thought after people look at the new info they give?


They really should stop giving out numbers for these things. Its not going well for them. lol

 

[phosphor112]

so he is basically agreeing that they are bandwidth limited as well?

Not only that, but the boolean "and" in his statement says "well, the amount of stuff that was ROP limited that wasn't already limited by bandwidth is small."

 

[2345425]

Why does DF continue to make apologies for MS all the time? They sure aren't appearing unbiased at all.

To be fair, Sony isn't releasing a new tech spin article every other day. Although they do seem overly willing to take everything Microsoft says at face value.

 

[onQ123]

Xbox 360 GPU 240 GFLOPS for games ,Xbox One GPU 1179 GFLOPS for games

Xbox One = 939 GFLOPS advantage over the Xbox 360




Xbox One GPU 1179 GFLOPS for games , PS4 GPU 1843 GFLOPS for games

PS4 = 664 GFLOPS advantage over the Xbox One for games.

 

[DeaviL]

If they keep tweaking it up like this we'll be entering a whole new age of red rings.

 

[XBOunity]

Not shrinking. Only confirming what we expected. Everyone was running with PS4 at 40% GPU advantage with 1.84TF vs 1.31TF. Now we know it's actually 1.18TF that's available for Xbone.

And soon to be back to 1.31

 

[IN&OUT]

MS underestimated Sony big time. I bet that Feb 1.84TF and 8GDDR5 caused some faints at Redmond labs.

 

[KidBeta]

And soon to be back to 1.31

Not if kinect stays. I have a feeling it takes a non trivial amount of GPU time.

 

[GameAddict411]

this is literally one of the most amazing gif ever made, all i can say is bravo.

OT: i totally forgot about the 10% reservation on the GPU, so the difference in processing power is around 670 GFLOPS(hypothetically, we still don't know how much the PS4 reserves for the OS) which basically more than 3x the processing power of the X360(not counting the terrible efficiency on the very old GPU in the X360).

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Wait.

So this is another one of those DF stories thats meant to make Microsoft look really good but accidentally shows the console is actually worse then we thought after people look at the new info they give?


They really should stop giving out numbers for these things. Its not going well for them. lol

Basically. It's really funny too. You can clearly tell, who read the headline and posted "wow, this is great news!" and people who actually read the damn article right away. Ugh.

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

Ryse even at 900p is arguably the best looking next gen launch. s.

Argued by who? 900p highlights that the system is under-powered. I would a argue that KZ looks better and runs at 1080p.

 

[stryke]

And soon to be back to 1.31

And keep snap functionality? Lol

 

[frizby]

Since Sly_ only had 32 posts, I decided to go through them. I don't know about him deciding not to buy seasons pass for Killzone (and sticking with the base game) and finding GG's comments about flexible framerate laughable is any way of "slamming" Killzone.

On another note, are we not allowed to prefer the Xbone, or any other console over another? Your post history shows you have a preference to PS4, so should people be calling you out?

By all means. It's only a click away, and I would hope somebody would call me out if I were consistently behaving like a console warrior and labeling GAF.

 

[dragonelite]

Oh thats long gone.

It will be back when the next gen head to head returns

 

[XBOunity]

Not if kinect stays. I have a feeling it takes a non trivial amount of GPU time.

I think maybe a 2 percent reserve. Not 10, always thought that was way too high.

 

[EventHorizon]

That would be quite a reversal after saying that XB1 was entirely built around Kinect.

Well it is not like Microsoft hasn't changed course and left its customers dangling before. see PlayForSure.

 

[killatopak]

This war on Microsoft is weird. Last time I looked, there's only three companies making consoles.

Is the X1 not a game console? Does it not play all the new games with updated graphics? Does it not attempt to provide new experiences to the user?

The fact that it's weaker than the PS4 means little to me because the companies clearly targeted different strategies, but at the end of the day they both play games, they both have exclusives, they both target gamers.

The vitriol is annoying to read over and over and over.

Being a cynic about games has GOT to suck.

IIRC thread whining is bannable. Better stop before it's too late.

 

[Skeff]

Xbox 360 GPU 240 GFLOPS for games ,Xbox One GPU 1179 GFLOPS for games

Xbox One = 939 GFLOPS advantage over the Xbox 360




Xbox One GPU 1179 GFLOPS for games , PS4 GPU 1843 GFLOPS for games

PS4 = 664 GFLOPS advantage over the Xbox One for games.

we may actually be back to PS4 > XB1 +WiiU

 

[IN&OUT]

Xbox 360 GPU 240 GFLOPS for games ,Xbox One GPU 1179 GFLOPS for games

Xbox One = 939 GFLOPS advantage over the Xbox 360




Xbox One GPU 1179 GFLOPS for games , PS4 GPU 1843 GFLOPS for games

PS4 = 664 GFLOPS advantage over the Xbox One for games.

some people needs to see the numbers laid out like this to realize how big of a power gap PS4 has over Xbone.

 

[phosphor112]

Why aren't people talking about the biggest parts about this interview where they talk about the ROPs and more specifically them hitting bandwidth limitations?

 

[skdoo]

Ryse even at 900p is arguably the best looking next gen launch

Says WHO? KZ is by FAR the best looking game at launch we've seen on a technical level. Whether or not it is your cup of tea is an entirely different matter. On, and Infamous (launch window) is even better than that.

 

[Jack_AG]

Hmm. So Forza 5 is running a 1080p 60 on just 1.18tflops. Dead Rising 3 large world, no loading time, tons of perpetual generating zombies all with 10% less power than thought. Ryse even at 900p is arguably the best looking next gen launch. Even Guerilla, (KZSF) didn't believe how good it looked,


http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Crytek-Ryse-Look-Better-Xbox-One-Than-It-Did-E3-59478.html
With 10% less power than thought.

I guess it all how you look at it.

With the massive power advantage PS4 has I would have expect every game to look like that Dark Sorcerer tech demo they showed. But just this past weekend little ole Knack was seen dropping frames.

Hahahahaha... Hahaha... Hahah... Ha. Hehehe.. Heh?

 

[2345425]

If they keep tweaking it up like this we'll be entering a whole new age of red rings.

This sort of thing shouldn't effect failure rates, though the overclock and Lobb's bizarre reference to improving existing hardware post-launch (which is probably PR bullshit) are potential causes for concern.

 

[RedNumberFive]

Ryse even at 900p is arguably the best looking next gen launch.

I think you're the only one who has ever argued this.

 

[RamzaIsCool]

This is very good news. I woke up today thinking 1.17 and now its 1.31. Dat snap.

I think you mixed up the numbers there. Hopefully it won't ruin your day, it seems you had a good morning.

 

[velociraptor]

Xbox 360 GPU 240 GFLOPS for games ,Xbox One GPU 1179 GFLOPS for games

Xbox One = 939 GFLOPS advantage over the Xbox 360




Xbox One GPU 1179 GFLOPS for games , PS4 GPU 1843 GFLOPS for games

PS4 = 664 GFLOPS advantage over the Xbox One for games.

Welp.

 

[GameAddict411]

And soon to be back to 1.31

for that to happen they need to ditch the snap features and kinect, they still can reduce the amount of reservation overtime through optimization but it will never be significant.

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

Digital Foundry really feel like a press release forum for Microsoft nowadays.

Edge makes you feel that way about Sony? Say whaaaaat?

 

[onQ123]

we may actually be back to PS4 > XB1 +WiiU

There is no may to it.