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[Sho Nuff]

I haven't seen this posted, but if it has been, you can kiss my Converse because I'm the Shogun of Harlem.

From the good Frenchman Christophe Kagotani at Next Generation.

Pretty much confirms what we already knew -- hardly anyone uses it to play movies, and "50% of users admitted they had not touched their PSP in 'some time'." Yeah, that's what happens when your Japanese lineup is unaduterated garbage. When they started headlining a port of that horrible PSX 3D Megaman game at the Playstation Meeting, I was ready to scream.

More stats wait for you if you get with the clickin.

 

[Brofist]

It really is because of the lack of games. Honestly WE9 can't come quick enough for me.

 

[Dead]

that horrible PSX 3D Megaman game

Hey now

 

[M3wThr33]

MML/RMD does not suck, the PSP just needs one more button for it to work. As it stands, there isn't enough.

 

[Dalamar86]

LIES!

Sad stats though. You really can't make a killer system without killer apps.

 

[gamewhooper]

I live in Michigan and I haven't touched my PSP for "some time." I'll be getting Namco Battle Museum Collection soon, though. I just didn't want to force myself to buy crap like Death Jr. and Coded Arms just so I could say I got something for the system.

 

[sly]

1000 people? I'm no statistics expert/analyst but isn't a poll involving less than 0.1% of PSP owners a bit useless? You can't use use that to form a general opinion....

 

[Culex]

1000 people? I'm no statistics expert/analyst but isn't a poll involving less than 0.1% of PSP owners a bit useless? You can't use use that to form a general opinion....

Not at all. Most Gallop polls are only using a 500 person pool.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

The sales will show that I bought one but I had to sell it off. The reason was that it fucked with my eyes. They were seriously worn out after about 45 minutes of play. Plus the way you hold it is so off that it was giving me strange back problems.

I doubt every PSP owner has that experience but I wonder how many feel comfortable playing their PSPs.

 

[jett]

1000 people? I'm no statistics expert/analyst but isn't a poll involving less than 0.1% of PSP owners a bit useless? You can't use use that to form a general opinion....

Think again.

 

[LegendofJoe]

1000 people? I'm no statistics expert/analyst but isn't a poll involving less than 0.1% of PSP owners a bit useless? You can't use use that to form a general opinion....

Actually you can, with users that number in the millions it would be impossible to sample all the people who own a PSP-so a represenative sample is taken(a margin of error is calculated to represent variances).

 

[sly]

Not at all. Most Gallop polls are only using a 500 person pool.

Actually you can, with users that number in the millions it would be impossible to sample all the people who own a PSP-so a represenative sample is taken(a margin of error is calculated to represent variances).

Ah, I see. Sorry to take this slightly OT, but what percentage is acceptable? When does it become too low?

 

[Tony HoTT]

They should do this same survey in the states and see how much different it is. People are buying movies and stuff here right?

 

[Mupepe]

Ah, I see. Sorry to take this slightly OT, but what percentage is acceptable? When does it become too low?

Basically just whenever your margin of error becomes more than +/-5 percent. Anything beyond that, and the poll is basically garbage.

 

[heidern]

Ah, I see. Sorry to take this slightly OT, but what percentage is acceptable? When does it become too low?

It all depends. Say you wanted to know how males 18-21 used their psps. You could use a fairly low sample to get an overall understanding. But if you want to know all genders and age ranges then you would need a larger sample since there is more variance in the audience you are looking at. And you also need to look at the variance of who you poll. For example, the psp tie-ratio is less than 2:1 however the people in this poll is 3:1. So this is a relatively "hardcore" sample. The true psp audience probably uses their psps less than this sample. Or alternatively, this more "casual" audience may be the ones that actually buy movies and not games. But probably not.

 

[sly]

Thanks for explaining

 

[kiryogi]

Well in this regard, about 2-3 weeks ago I finally decided to take out the battery out of my PSP to avoid drain. I don't see myself putting it back in anytime soon either, though I was a bit interested in trying out 2.0.

 

[Juice]

Yeah, once you start sampling from more than 1000 people, the decrease in error margin is an extremely diminishing return. A sample of 1000, regardless of population size, is seen as the sweet spot. The problem with polling is making it an SRS, or a simple random sample... there are way too many confounding factors here to trust any survey of game players:

The biggest by far is that most gamers are not reachable via traditional polling methods (at least in America)
> Because many gamers are probably under 30, many don't own a land line (Cell phone only), so they aren't even eligible to be called by pollsters in America.
> Unlike other products like cars, another family member would probably completely fail in being able to accurately report on the gaming habits of another family member in the event they were called... "He has a PS... something, you know, a Nintendo, and he's always playing them at his computer."
> The people who would respond would be skewed older and more femininely than probably represents the true audience you're seeking to evaluate.

At least regarding the ESRB polls that say over half the gaming audience is adult, and half are women, I think it's probably entirely because young people don't answer land line telephones, and the response rate of women is much higher than men.

Regardless of margin of error, you really do practically need to stack poll results against common sense and anecdotal evidence to try to figure out what's going on in times like these.

And I think the PSP poll is probably pretty accurate, even though I don't know how people poll in Japan yet. But I don't see anyone buying UMD movies, and none of my friends play their PSP anymore--not that shocking a finding.

 

[Mejilan]

Well in this regard, about 2-3 weeks ago I finally decided to take out the battery out of my PSP to avoid drain. I don't see myself putting it back in anytime soon either, though I was a bit interested in trying out 2.0.

I just popped the battery out of mine too. Go to sleep, PEE-ESS-Pppppbbbbttttt...

 

[kaching]

More stats wait for you if you get with the clickin.

Like a 3.1 attach rate, which is oddly paired with the disclaimer BUT ITS CUZ THEY'RE LOYAL TO SONY, yet this doesn't seem to have any effect on the other usage habits.

It'd be nice to see the source survey results, rather than NG's brief interpretation of it.

 

[mckmas8808]

But I don't see anyone buying UMD movies, and none of my friends play their PSP anymore--not that shocking a finding.

Well in NA thats a different story now isn't it.

 

[chaostrophy]

Just finished a session of Dragon Warrior IV on my PSP.

It's a perfect emulator platform for me- I don't really like playing games while sitting at my desk computer because I sit at a desk computer all day at work, and an HTPC for emulators would just add to the clutter around my tv. The PSP has the CPU power to run NES, SNES, and Genesis emus well, a great screen, and with the 1GB memory stick I'll have soon, it'll have the storage capacity for a great library of classic games.

As for actual PSP games...well, Lumines hasn't gotten old yet, and the downloadable content has kept Wipeout Pure fresh for months.

So overall I'm happy with my PSP purchase.

 

[teruterubozu]

Did the 2.0 update today. Looked at a webpage. Turned it off. Bye PSP (for another couple of months).

Resident Evil DS - please come now.

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

Ive only got Ridge Racers on PSP. This is since may.


Virtua Tennis comes out in 1 week for the European PSP launch.

My second psp game to hold me over till GTA comes.

 

[rainer516]

So basically, if I don't like GTA, PSP is a dud? I was gonna buy one next week.....

 

[ziran]

The sales will show that I bought one but I had to sell it off. The reason was that it fucked with my eyes. They were seriously worn out after about 45 minutes of play. Plus the way you hold it is so off that it was giving me strange back problems.

I doubt every PSP owner has that experience but I wonder how many feel comfortable playing their PSPs.

i think this is a problem with handhelds generally, and you're not alone. i've never been comfortable playing any handheld for longer than 30 min bursts. even that isn't totally easy.

 

[DCharlie]

"Like a 3.1 attach rate, which is oddly paired with the disclaimer BUT ITS CUZ THEY'RE LOYAL TO SONY, yet this doesn't seem to have any effect on the other usage habits."

I'm the reason the attach rate is so skewed!

 

[kaching]

Yeah, I just commented in another thread that the PSP attach rate they got seems off for Japan, now that I think about it. Doesn't seem like PSP software could have reached 3 times the number of PSPs sold seeing as how few games have climbed the charts any significant amount.

 

[mrklaw]

Its just that there has been a particularly bad post-launch drought. People always stop playing when there aren't any games to play.

It'll pick up with the European launch - I'm assuming at least some of those games will come out in Japan/US - CMR, Toca, F1? something like 7 racing games on launch day. Makes the Xbox 360 line up look balanced

 

[Zeo]

Mega Man Legends isn't very good. MML2 is much much better.

It's not even that though. It would be a fine game to port if it wasn't one of the bigger PSP games to look forward to. :\

 

[GDGF]

So basically, if I don't like GTA, PSP is a dud? I was gonna buy one next week.....

Well, GTA or EA games. I expect their japanese support to drop like a rock in about a year, judging by the beating they're receiving.

 

[DCharlie]

"So far, the average attach rate among users polled is 3.1 titles, "

the attach rate of 3.1 is over 1000 users of course, we actually should be able to get the real attach rate surely given we have all the data.

 

[jarrod]

I expect their japanese support to drop like a rock in about a year, judging by the beating they're receiving.

It's basically Sony's "GameCube".

 

[DarienA]

It's basically Sony's Japanese "GameCube".

Fixed... since software sales are fine here... and we won't be able to judge Europe for awhile after the a launch splurge dies down.... and let's face it... there release schedule HAS been f'n horrible....

 

[Gregory]

I haven`t touched mine in months. Will never buy another game for it. Never watch a movie on it. Most likely only use it 3 more times in my lifetime.

 

[jarrod]

Fixed... since software sales are fine here... and we won't be able to judge Europe for awhile after the a launch splurge dies down.... and let's face it... there release schedule HAS been f'n horrible....

Well, I thought that was implied responding to the inevitable drop in JP support.

Should remain strong in the west though. Maybe Sony's "Xbox" is more accurate?

 

[sonycowboy]

Well, GTA or EA games. I expect their japanese support to drop like a rock in about a year, judging by the beating they're receiving.

What's to drop? It basically hasn't started yet. The PSP is going to be around at least 5 years. Perhaps you're being a bit premature.

 

[kaching]

the attach rate of 3.1 is over 1000 users of course, we actually should be able to get the real attach rate surely given we have all the data.

We've got Media Create numbers for hardware sales since launch, but is their a reliable tally of total PSP software units sold in Japan somewhere out there?

Edit: Found it, courtesy of sonycowboy and januswon.

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=57106

As of June 30, it should be more like an attach rate of 1.6 in Japan. Which then calls into question sampling error on the rest of the survey results.

 

[DarienA]

Well, I thought that was implied responding to the inevitable drop in JP support.

Should remain strong in the west though. Maybe Sony's "Xbox" is more accurate?

It's weird how they keep screwing the pooch in terms of generating enough 3rd party support in that period shortly after the launch hype dies down to about... oh what... say the 1 year mark of seemingly both consoles and now the PSP, in at least one region?

 

[jarrod]

It's weird how they keep screwing the pooch in terms of generating enough 3rd party support in that period shortly after the launch hype dies down to about... oh what... say the 1 year mark of seemingly both consoles and now the PSP, in at least one region?

Yeah... Japan hasn't had a truly successful secondary platform since the Saturn. It just seems like the development community decides to almost universally throw everything at one console and one handheld now. WS, DC, PSP, GC and Xbox all had promising JP support at first littered with some notable 3rd party exclusives, but the industry at large just seems to go with "the sure thing". :/

 

[Deku]

Yeah... Japan hasn't had a truly successful secondary platform since the Saturn. It just seems like the development community decides to almost universally throw everything at one console and one handheld now. WS, DC, PSP, GC and Xbox all had promising JP support at first littered with some notable 3rd party exclusives, but the industry at large just seems to go with "the sure thing". :/

Japanese market is smaller than it was so fewer platforms will be able to thrive. That said, I don't think PSP will be a total failure. But it won't destroy the DS. PSP is mooching of the PS's home console success, which is fine, if you're the only player in the market, like how Nintendo used its brand to push the Game Boy early on, but they're going up against an established force.

 

[Deku]

Yeah... Japan hasn't had a truly successful secondary platform since the Saturn. It just seems like the development community decides to almost universally throw everything at one console and one handheld now. WS, DC, PSP, GC and Xbox all had promising JP support at first littered with some notable 3rd party exclusives, but the industry at large just seems to go with "the sure thing". :/

Japanese market is smaller than it was so fewer platforms will be able to thrive. That said, I don't think PSP will be a total failure. But it won't destroy the DS. PSP is mooching of the PS's home console success, which is fine, if you're the only player in the market, like how Nintendo used its brand to push the Game Boy early on, but they're going up against an established force and it isn't even a Game Boy unit. If Sony continues at this pace, the next Game Boy will pretty much end all hopes of them capturing a significant share of the industry.

 

[jarrod]

Japanese market is smaller than it was so fewer platforms will be able to thrive. That said, I don't think PSP will be a total failure. But it won't destroy the DS. PSP is mooching of the PS's home console success, which is fine, if you're the only player in the market, like how Nintendo used its brand to push the Game Boy early on, but they're going up against an established force.

Well, it's smaller sure but the decline in sales isn't just limited to secondary platforms. PS2 is hardly the software powerhouse PSone was in Japan.

And even still, Japan's "smaller market" is still larger than the UK, Germany and France combined at their height... there's definitely enough marketplace for strong 2nd stringers like Saturn and PC Engine were.

 

[heidern]

Japanese market is smaller than it was so fewer platforms will be able to thrive.

Actually I'd say the Japanese market is smaller because fewer platforms are thriving. Both the Saturn and N64 sold over 5 million units. 10 million is a big big second market. However this time round, the DC died an early death, the xbox is a huge irrelevance and the GC is limping along doing okay. In all this second market isn't even half what it was. There is a market there, someone just needs to step up to the plate and take it.

 

[teruterubozu]

Maybe Sony needs to encourage developers to start hyping the PSP in the title of their games, like those "clever" DS titles:

Guilty Gear: Dust Strikers
Castelvania: Dawn of Sorrow
Advance Wars Dual Strike
Dig Dug: Digging Strike
Biohazard: Deadly Silence

You know, for PSP:
Ape Escape: Piposaru Siren Panic
Winning Eleven: Pro Soccer Player
Need For Speed: Police Squad Pursuit
SSX: Powder Snow Peak
Castlevania: Pearl of the Sadness Parade

Do it! Do it!

 

[crunker99]

Might see this increase when bigger memory sticks come down in price, but still will not be a huge jump.

 

[Red Blaster]

Ooh ohh!

Metal Gear Solid: Penile Soldier Patrol

 

[teruterubozu]

Ooh ohh!

Metal Gear Solid: Penile Soldier Patrol

Yes, yes and

Viewtiful Joe: Penile Slow Power

 

[[Nintex]]

The PS2 popularity killed the PSP.

You can buy a PS2 or PSP, except for the size normal people don't see the difference between the 2. And since PS2 is alot cheaper and has many popular games....
People dont care about Sony's portable its just: another PS2 version.

 

[DarienA]

The PS2 popularity killed the PSP.

You can buy a PS2 or PSP, except for the size normal people don't see the difference between the 2. And since PS2 is alot cheaper and has many popular games....
People dont care about Sony's portable its just: another PS2 version.

The PSP died and nobody told me? WTF?