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[Paladin69]

So I'm looking into the Sammy sung 67" 68 series, or the 71" 78 series. Some say there are lag issues with DLP's and gaming on the 68 series...some say it's not a problem. Has anyone heard how well those new 78 series handles? It also sounds like there is a "game mode" for anything that is 480i? But 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p is no problem with lag.

bah, I R st00pid...I need some wise owly GAF help. Best Buy & Ultimate Electronics sales associates are fuck tards.

 

[Raistlin]

I haven't had a chance to look up this particular set, I assume it's a 720p chip?

If so, as long as games can be outputted natively at 720p - there will not be a problem as the TV's scalar will be bypassed entirely. Unfortunately, it has yet to be confirmed whether all games will output 720p. You may want to wait to hear such confirmation.

Regardless, you should do a long, hard viewing to make sure you do not notice, or are not bothered by, 'rainbows'.

 

[Paladin69]

nope, they are both 1080p...

 

[StoOgE]

my friend has the 42" Sammy DLP and he hasnt really had any problems with it. From what I have heard there can be issues, but if you turn off the DNIe then it will all but take care of them.

I had a 52" Toshiba thats about a year old (sold it to a friend).. I never had any lag issues to speak of with my Xbox, but somtimes the sound wouldnt sync up.

Xbox 360 games shouldnt be an issue at all since they will be running at the native resolution of the TV.. but older systems may be a problem if the TV itself has to do the upconversion.

Edit: 1080p could be a problem.. Ive never dealt with that high of a resolution, and I doubt the Xbox 360 scales that high for you. As far as rainbows, I could see them, thats why I sold my Toshiba, I could see them all the time.. but I cant see anything on any of the new Sammy's I've seen, I think they have either fixed or greatly reduced that problem.

 

[Raistlin]

nope, they are both 1080p...

I assume that's using wobullation then?

I'm not sure what scalar they use for it, but it is entirely possible there is a marginal delay. You should probably test it out.

 

[Kleegamefan]

The TVs you are looking at are the Sammy HLR5078W, the HLR5678W, the HLR6178W or the HLR7178W....

Here is the owners manual of those TVs:

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200506/20050621103649296_BP68-00513A-00Eng.pdf

The Sammys use a Faroudja FLI2300 series scaler/de-interlacer and the "78" series use Texas Instruments' xHD4 DMD chip, which is indeed a wobulated chip..

Here are some threads concerning video game delay on DLP sets...they should help you out:


HDTVs and Video Game Lag: The Problem and the Solution.

1080p and PC game/XBOX lag: Final final summary ..

 

[GitarooMan]

As far as 1080p DLP sets go, I've heard very good things about the HP 58 and 65 inch sets. They accept 1080p over HDMI and supposedly have a nice picture (They are pricey though). Here's a review

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=876

Haven't heard any reports of VG lag either yet.

 

[Vustadumas]

The 1080p Samsung's have eliminated the lag issues from the previous gen. These TV's are absolutely fantastic. I picked up the 61" last month and have never been happier with a TV purchase.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Yes, if you need to get a 1080p DLP set, the HP is *highly* recommended....the 65-inch HP is the only DLP set that is confirmend to accept 1080p over HDMI.....

 

[Zeenbor]

I have a 52 inch Mitsubishi DLP HDTV and I have no lag whatsoever. If you do find lag on the HDTV you own, just turn off noise reduction or another image enhancing filter to see if the delay is decreased.

 

[RedBulborb]

I can't comment on the latest 1080p sets, but my 720p Samsung 4663W doesn't have any noticeable lag. I'm sure it's there (there's lag in most sets, even CRT), but I'm very sensitive to lag and I still don't feel any. My best advice to you would be to get out your gaming console, go to a store, and see for yourself!

 

[XMonkey]

As far as 1080p DLP sets go, I've heard very good things about the HP 58 and 65 inch sets. They accept 1080p over HDMI and supposedly have a nice picture (They are pricey though). Here's a review

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=876

Haven't heard any reports of VG lag either yet.

Every Input/Output in the front sounds like an odd design choice. Do wires stick out from the front or something??

 

[Big Takeover]

Every Input/Output in the front sounds like an odd design choice. Do wires stick out from the front or something??

HP Site

"Never crawl behind your TV again. With the HP MD6580n 65" Microdisplay TV, you can connect any electronic device—from DVD players to game consoles, DVRs, and the latest HD camcorders—through the TV’s industry-first lighted connection panel, conveniently located beneath the screen. Cables are run through a tunnel underneath the TV, where they can be connected to electronic components. And since the connection panel is recessed, simply shut the front door after connecting a new component and the cables disappear from view."

 

[Stinkles]

Many of them are duplicates. It rules in the real world - especially for gamers.

 

[imperium]

I’ve had the 5668 for about 3 months now and I definitely noticed some lag. It was most noticeable in FPS games. I found it difficult to get precise aiming since the lag would cause me to overcompensate, but I never found any game to be unplayable. I guess the one caveat I should mention is that I’m not really into sports games so the lag may be an issue for any sports game that has a timing based meter.

Other than FPSers, the lag didn’t seem to affect games like Psychonauts, Destroy all humans, ect. I found the steering in PGR2 to be a tad touchier than I recall but I hadn’t played the game for sometime so I may have been rusty.

My completely unscientific method of testing was to play a level or two on an old CRT and then switch over to the Samsung for comparison. Like I said, there was a noticeable difference in FPS games and maybe PGR2 but that’s about it. I found that I adjusted to the lag pretty quickly and I was able to compensate for it to the point that I didn't even notice it but had I been playing on live, I probably would have been at a competitive disadvantage.

One thing to keep in mind as you decide on a new TV is that DLP’s in general don’t seem to suffer from lag. There have been no reports of lag on the new Mits DLP for example. LCD and SxRD sets also seem to be problem free. Samsung is using some proprietary circuitry that it calls DNIe to improve the picture, but that also seems to be the primary cause of the lag. In the older models, you could turn DNIe off, but that doesn’t appear to be the case with the 68/ 78 series.

I’m hoping that lag won’t be an issue with the 360 since I would think the amount of processing necessary to covert a 1080i signal to 1080p would be minimal. If I notice lag over component, I will probably try VGA since there hasn’t been any reports of lag by PC gamers.

The lag hasn’t been a big issue with me but I would HIGHLY recommend that if at all possible, you take an xbox/ps2 to a store that has the model your interested in and test it for yourself. That is the only way you can guarantee you’ll be happy with the game performance.

Other than the lag, I’ve been very happy with my 5668 and I don’t have a problem recommending it.

 

[Synbios459]

While we're talking about DLP TVs, while reading the manual today, I found out my TV displays 480i, 480P, and 1080i. Since it doesn't display 720P, is that going to be a problem with some of the newer Xbox360/PS3 games? This is my TV.

EDIT: Also, are there any video/audio settings I should change for optimum performance?

 

[Juice]

I game on a 17" half-melted CRT.

I experience no lag.

I just plug in games and then I play them.

I also still have lots of money.

*Waiting until HD gaming isn't a pain in the ass FTW*

 

[Kleegamefan]

While we're talking about DLP TVs, while reading the manual today, I found out my TV displays 480i, 480P, and 1080i. Since it doesn't display 720P, is that going to be a problem with some of the newer Xbox360/PS3 games? This is my TV.

EDIT: Also, are there any video/audio settings I should change for optimum performance?

If you truely have a Toshiba 52HM84 (nice set, BTW) then you have a 720p TV.....that TV has an HD2+ DMD which has a native resolution of 1280 x 720 progressive.....its the best 720p chip Texas Instruments currently makes...


Again, if this is your TV, you are either misunderstanding your manual...or the manual itself is incorrect (which can happen, believe it or not)....

Bottom line; You have a 720p TV, so you are all set for PS3/X360

 

[Synbios459]

Oh thanks, according to Toshibas site it displays 720P, but it's nowhere to be found in the manual; odd. Anywhoo, thanks. Unfortunately my bulb went out, it's supposed to last for 6,000 hours, but it only lasted for about 1500 (I've only had it 4 months) but luckily Toshiba is sending me another bulb for free. The only downside to DLP TVs I guess.