Grildon Tundy
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The comment in that tweet is needlessly antagonistic, but the gif seems self-evident that it's the same model with lighting and color/"makeup" changes.
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The comment in that tweet is needlessly antagonistic, but the gif seems self-evident that it's the same model with lighting and color/"makeup" changes.
Madflavor
Member
I think the bottom line is that the average person has seen one too many AI Faces, and therefore they can't unsee the AI Face in the DLSS 5 versions of these character models. It's uncanny and it's off putting to a lot of people. You're not going to gaslight them into thinking it's better.
Furthermore this is ultimately one more big step towards an industry where major publishers will be firing thousands of hard working and talented artists and developers, in favor of cost saving with Generative AI. You're fooling yourself if you think publishers aren't salivating at the idea. Some of the tech might be impressive, but it's implications for the industry paint a dark future.
Some of the greatest stories and games ever made came from the passion, discipline, and imagination of talented creators working within constraints. They didn't have limitless tools or automation to fall back on, so they had to push what was available as far as it could go to realize their vision. That pressure is what led to distinctive styles and memorable design choices. Limitation breeds creativity. When technology starts filling in the gaps with minimal human effort, that creative edge risks getting dulled.
Furthermore this is ultimately one more big step towards an industry where major publishers will be firing thousands of hard working and talented artists and developers, in favor of cost saving with Generative AI. You're fooling yourself if you think publishers aren't salivating at the idea. Some of the tech might be impressive, but it's implications for the industry paint a dark future.
Some of the greatest stories and games ever made came from the passion, discipline, and imagination of talented creators working within constraints. They didn't have limitless tools or automation to fall back on, so they had to push what was available as far as it could go to realize their vision. That pressure is what led to distinctive styles and memorable design choices. Limitation breeds creativity. When technology starts filling in the gaps with minimal human effort, that creative edge risks getting dulled.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I guess I just don't get the big fuss. I think it looks interesting.
Is it just that "anti-Ai" hate boner some have?
Is it just that "anti-Ai" hate boner some have?
SegaSnatcher
Member
No, many of us just honestly believe it looks like hot garbage.
Most people here love DLSS upscaling, but this is something entirely different.
DLSS 5.0 doesn't have any concept of a model though. It only has access to the rendered frame + depth buffers + motion vectors. If DLSS 5 was a system that developers fed their lighting data into, and it produced corresponding light values for the scene, I think there would be zero issues.
deeptech
Member
RayHell
Member
I'm glad to see that most people like it.
I guess the amount of genz/alpha furry artist on GAF is low.
For those who don't like it there's a OFF option so you won't have to use it.
Never understood the outrage around this, probably has to do with being Nvidia and AI than the feature itself.
I guess the amount of genz/alpha furry artist on GAF is low.
For those who don't like it there's a OFF option so you won't have to use it.
Never understood the outrage around this, probably has to do with being Nvidia and AI than the feature itself.
Jinzo Prime
Member
...Uh, most 41% is not most people. The other options are negative or neutral. And suggesting that only gen Z'ers hate AI sameface is quite the assumption.
RayHell
Member
I was including neutral but you're right I should have phrase it "the majority are not haters". And considering how outraged and feisty DLSS5 haters are on social media, it really came to a surprise.
No one suggesting that "only gen Z" but ratter a strong demographic tendency.
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Jet Set Willy
Member
I like options. So yeah I like it from that point of view. I was playing RoboCop Rogue City earlier and thought the faces could really do with a DLSS5 makeover lol. It would be cool if we could force it on older games. Sometimes it'll work sometimes it won't, but it'll be fun messing about with it and in the end, it's simply an option in the graphics settings.
The_Observer
Member
I still don't get why it has to be so black and white. We can shit on and bitch about AI rightfully but pretending that this is not some mindblowingly amazing tech and (at a minimum) a generational leap in visuals over what we have is just plain insanity. No one thought such jumps are possible anymore and here we are. And I'm saying this as a console exclusive player. If ps6 will not do anything like this I will definitely go to pc if my wallet allows it.
Jet Set Willy
Member
This is just the beginning, it has to start somewhere and can only imagine what will be possible as we move to DLSS6 and beyond, it's inevitable it'll start incorporating all those elements.
RafterXL
Member
It's the AI boogeyman. You can't have an honest discussion about this, because there are a ton of people who screech about AI all the time and it doesn't matter if DLSS5 looks good, or great, or terrible, they're never going to get past their "AI slop" stance that they shit out whenever the topic comes up. And even that would be fine if they weren't so dishonest about why they hate the tech.
I've said this a thousand times about AI and it's always true. The version you are seeing today is the worst it will ever look. What you see today is not what you will see in six months, it will improve, and based on the AI improvement in general, it will improve rapidly.
PlayStaytion
Member
Bro are you sure you don't see things?Looks like a winner to me
The_Observer
Member
It's a shame that nowadays the "discussion" is like this about everything. I absolutely get the hate about AI and it's an existential threat in my opinion as well. But the tech is absolutely amazing. But for the people you talk about I guess I would constitute as a "traitor" just because I admit that it's mindblowing.
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amigastar
Member
Yes, KCD 2 would look excellent i can imagine.
EverydayBeast
ChatShitGPT Alpha 0.001
Yes but those insisting on DLSS 5 AI is weird
proandrad
Member
I can't even tell if you really think that or if you're gaslighting me. Maybe I'm just a normie because all the DLSS 5 screens look better to me.
IlGialloMondadori
Member
I am 100% serious. I think DLSS5 looks like shit, like the majority of people. You like it, fine, but it's the same as some people who love motion smoothing and vivid picture settings on TV; some people's taste is questionable at best.
Sleepwalker
Member
I like it only for starfield cause it looks like garbage lol
Rest meh not really
Rest meh not really
Insane Metal
Member
Absolutely, it just needs more time.
proandrad
Member
That's fine, but you need to stop making declarative statements like, "I think DLSS5 looks like shit, like the majority of people." Even based on the results of the poll in this thread, that isn't true. DLSS AI upscaling got shit on by some people very loudly, to the point that many thought it would be a flop, it didn't and AI upscaling has become standard, and it became so popular AMD is constantly trying to play catch-up with it. Visuals are all subjective, you just come across as snob by questioning what other people thinks looks good. The market will determine if people actually like this and Nvidia hasn't missed yet.
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Loboxxx
Member
It's terrifying that they're going to turn the characters from my beloved hobby into the same kind of trash that's being peddled on social media these days, full of fake, strangely perfect, and generic characters.
Nvidia has just released a trailer for the episode dedicated to video games in BLACK MIRROR....
Nvidia has just released a trailer for the episode dedicated to video games in BLACK MIRROR....
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hououinkyouma00
Member
I like DLSS quite a bit in general but this looks terrible. Technology wise it's impressive but it looks absolutely terrible and literally looks like a shitty instagram AI filter.
Rising_Hei
Member
You live in an alternative dimension if you think that most people don't hate DLSS 5.
Also, the negative AI options in this poll are spread across many choices, and the only "I like it" option is just one.
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RayHell
Member
They are not doing anything to your beloved hobby.It's terrifying that they're going to turn the characters from my beloved hobby into the same kind of trash that's being peddled on social media these days, full of fake, strangely perfect, and generic characters.
Nvidia has just released a trailer for the episode dedicated to video games in BLACK MIRROR....
The gamer do by taking the fully conscious decision to turn it ON like any other custom mod, texture pack, shaders, filters.
For others like you there will be no difference from before.
A big nothingburger for something that is ultimately just hate toward Ai and Nvidia.
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Loboxxx
Member
That's what you think. That this is just like enabling an effect. It'll be like that at first, as they're innocently showing, but this is designed with the goal of creating video games with less effort, and every company is going to adopt it, not just NVIDIA PC graphics cards. When this comes to consoles, which it will in the next generation, there simply won't be a choice; games will be designed with the assumption that the console's AI will do "its part of the work."
I'm not saying the result is bad, it's surely spectacular, but after watching NVIDIA's video, it confirms to me that what's considered spectacular today is totally generic, fake, and simplistic.
RayHell
Member
This is a completely theoretical scenario with assumptions and a lack of knowledge where the tech will be in the future.
We can make doomsday scenario all day, the truth is we don't know.
For now the only certainty is that it can be turned off at will.
IlGialloMondadori
Member
It was a terrible poll and if you actually look at the numbers, people really don't like it.
This is different than upscaling. It's a shit filter.
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proandrad
Member
Most people don't even know what DLSS 5 is. You live in an alterative reality if you think immediate outrage on the internet is reflective of how most people will feel about a product. I rather be right than first when casting judgment on a product I haven't even used. If you had gone off of YouTube comments and dislikes you would have thought no one would have purchased a PS5 pro as well. You really need to take your personal feelings about AI out of this and look at it objectively.
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Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Or internet's loudness would make you believe that AMD dominates GPU sales going by any reddit PC subreddits or youtube. Loud is putting it lightly.
Same for DLSS 5
If you polled peoples in the street, they would pick AI grace almost all the time between both of them. Especially if you downgrade Grace to base console's inflatable doll look.
Shmunter
Member
It's the logical next step. These ML based algorithms will allow real time rendering to punch above its weight. Can't rely on brute force forever, wasteful and expensive. No different to ml based upscaling or frame gem.
Things just need to find their place, but there is no getting away from it.
Things just need to find their place, but there is no getting away from it.
