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Do graphic designrs or software engineers/ programmers earn good money in the USA?

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psycho_snake

I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
I'm basically really confused with what I want to do with my future. I've got a few ideas in my head, but I want to get a much clearer Idea soon. Ive always wanted to live in the USA, I really think its a lovely country, but I dont know about the money you earn in their. The two jobs that interestme are Graphic designing and software engineering.

I wanna do graphic designing because it doesnt look very streesing, I'm artistic, i've got a good animation and it looks fun, but I dont know if the wages are good or not.

I'm not too sure about software enginner, but i just wanted to know if they earn good money.
 

DaCocoBrova

Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
There's a glut of both. But if you're good and have a nice personality (a lot of software engineers don't have the best social skills), then you stand a good chance of landing a nice job. Like anything, persistance goes a loooooong way.
 

Lathentar

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Computer Programmers are listed as having one of the best salaries right out of college. The problem is finding a job. You can't get that kind of job just being a good programmer...
 

Phoenix

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Good software engineers do well... generic computer programmers do okay. Yes there is a difference - and its a very large one.
 

lachesis

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I wanna do graphic designing because it doesnt look very streesing, I'm artistic, i've got a good animation and it looks fun, but I dont know if the wages are good or not.

Well, I'm in broadcast graphics. I do not do animation nor on-air graphics in most cases, as I am mostly in desktop-publishing inside of a major network tv company. Some people call my group as "do everything" group, from logo designs to making props for soap, helping managers to comeup with more presentable material for high executives, etc. (kinda like kinkos, I guess.) It's not really hard work, nor difficult - but the biggest difficult that I"m having is to manage my own time - as I have to deal with various different level of "priority", and make all clients happy by end of the day. I guess it's like a "swarm" of small jobs, and believe me, it really catchs up to you. Say knocking out 10 10 different logos within 30 min from scratch with very vague description isn't actually that easy, especially something that's "on-air" worthy. (Probably that's why you see bunch of not so interesting logos/un-inspired graphics on TV most of the time, but you really don't have much choice because of time-restraint).

As for non-animation related graphic design work do not pay as much as you might want to get normally. Especially in the NYC, where there are tons of them and there are so much opportunity and resource - it's especially true. However, the work is not "stressful". Some of the larger post-production places do pay relatively well and more creative (=fun), but its far from "not so stressful". Broadcast design, especially news design (my part, mostly) are pretty hecktic. Screaming, dealing with 10 different projects by end of the day isn't anything new to me. However, thanks to the Union that I'm in, I am guaranteed to get paid pretty well. My current pay is 90k-100k, depending on how much overtime I get. I am pretty sure it's pretty high compared to other graphic designers out there in most, even considering within NYC and non-animation. However, it's not "fun" nor "creative" to be in daily graphics like news or even in sports (although they do get more fun projects off and on) - and I've been working for 7 years for one company so far. When I started, it wasn't too high - around 35k, but I got lucky. Also, 90k in the NYC isn't exactly a "real good pay", because of living expenses these days, so If you are looking for a good pay, then software engineering might work out better for you in the long run.

For someone young and just to get started in this buisness though - I'd say to go to a cable network where you can get your hands on various equipnent, and "NO UNION". I am a member of a powerful (well, used to be) Union, and our rights are relatively well protected and protects my "pay", but it has its own downfall. You don't have much access to any others equipments and it takes much longer to move up in your work place, because of seniority issues. Non Union generally pays less, but you are more opt to move up faster. CNN, is a one good example as I hear. MSNBC and Fox News are the same. However, expect a "boring" job in most cases though. If you want a real "creative" job, then you'd better really contact post-production places. While their pay scale might not be top of the line, unless you have a super-duper portfoilio - but the works out there. Wait, then again - there's MTV. :)

with economy down and all, a lot of big places went out of business in few years - so the big companies are now looking into more smaller, more accessible group of designers. It's cheaper for them, so I guess it makes sense.

Best thing is to build up your portfolio reel and send them out to many - but be sure to research where you want to get to - because news industry like I am in, they do appreciate "cool" or "hip" designs, but they never air. If you submit very "news like" materials to MTV, they won't take a second look unless you have very impress history behind your resume...

Hope this helps.

lachesis
 
psycho_snake said:
I'm basically really confused with what I want to do with my future. I've got a few ideas in my head, but I want to get a much clearer Idea soon. Ive always wanted to live in the USA, I really think its a lovely country, but I dont know about the money you earn in their. The two jobs that interestme are Graphic designing and software engineering.


Stay where you are. Our jobs will probably be coming to you soon.
 

Phoenix

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norinrad21 said:
Please Enlighten me Sage one :)

Computer programmers (pure) come very specialized in programming in Java, C, C++, .Net. They are a limited focus for a lot of companies (thought not all) at the moment because many places are going into more of a middleware environment. They don't need as many people to build architecture. Many programmers in the companies I've been talking to and working with are moving into more of a maintenance role.

Software engineers encompasses more than the specialization of 'writing code' and understand more about the (currently) more important discipline of architecture or software engineering. The have been trained more in the business/requirements analysis role and can be put into play in environments where you aren't creating as much technology but are instead managing your existing framework and manipulating it with existing and off-the-shelf technology.

What I've been seeing is less of an emphasis on creating 'new' stuff (back when people were trying to find anyone who understood Java/HTML/XML/etc) and trying to hire people who understand more about frameworks, rules engines, etc. May be different outside of Atlanta, but all of the majors I've talked to are saying the same thing 'we need more people who can help us better run the systems we've got in place before we make new ones'.
 

Tenguman

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money is good. job openings are tight


though things ARE opening up. Back in the 90's EVERYONE wanted to be a programmer, so there was a huge influx of grads -- many whom learned how to program, but aren't very good computer scientists. Now, companies are finding that many of these people are underqualified, thus more people are re-hiring.
 

Phoenix

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Tenguman said:
money is good. job openings are tight


though things ARE opening up. Back in the 90's EVERYONE wanted to be a programmer, so there was a huge influx of grads -- many whom learned how to program, but aren't very good computer scientists. Now, companies are finding that many of these people are underqualified, thus more people are re-hiring.

That's another less wordy way of saying what I said :)
 

lachesis

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What you should know about graphic design is that it is not art. I don't mean to sound like a prick, but I'm just saying that the design process is different, and it's stressful for some people, with a traditional art background, to adjust. Without a massive discourse, art is expressing yourself and design is expressing your client. This translates into doing a whole lot of design that you really don't care for.

Exactly. Some people take shit on your design, where you've put your heart and soul. I used to get pretty banged up when something like that happened - as I am coming from fine-art bkg - but now a days, I just try to come up with solution somewhere in between.

Plus, I just hate the fact that some of those pencile necks whom had just an art history class before doing art-direction to my art directors and to me directly. Executives' words are pretty hard to ignore, even if you "KNOW" they are wrong. :( That's one of the tough stressful part of a lot of designing. They ask for "shit", and you provide "shit" - and this kind of mentality might ease the stress - but honestly, it's not productive in the end and shit comes right back to you and especially, your portfolio.

Anyhow... it really depends on where you are. Moving to NYC is a definitely an option, but first things first. If you are a foreigner, you definitely have to clear out your visa status. Even with Practical Training status (sp), not many works out nor "hire as full time" to gurantee the working visa. In very rare cases they support you through getting green-card too, in my knowledge.

lachesis
 
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