Do you believe in alien abduction?

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It's hard to imagine a reason that they would need or want to abduct any significant quantity of humans to perform experiments on. From an anthropological perspective you could suppose they might be curious about humans including their biology, but if you're thinking about people getting abducted en masse over a period of decades to perform vivisection, probings and so forth, it seems implausible. Since people go missing all the time anyway, there is no real risk to them in terms of blowing their cover if they simply abducted people permanently, whereas the idea that they are returning people to Earth with fuzzy memories in total stealth seems suspiciously like dreams and night terrors.
 
Or maybe they like to come down and torment us or are really sadistic in nature? I mean if they are so advanced, they could do whatever they want with us. If they want to abduct us and anal probe us or probe our eyes out, they can. Just because we think they are so advanced they would never do that. But lo and behold we don't a damn thing about what makes the aliens brain tick!
 
They're not aliens.

They're time travelers from the future plucking people out at crucial points at which extant radiation from the sun would have caused them to go insane and alter the natural course of history.
 
It's hard to imagine a reason that they would need or want to abduct any significant quantity of humans to perform experiments on. From an anthropological perspective you could suppose they might be curious about humans including their biology, but if you're thinking about people getting abducted en masse over a period of decades to perform vivisection, probings and so forth, it seems implausible. Since people go missing all the time anyway, there is no real risk to them in terms of blowing their cover if they simply abducted people permanently, whereas the idea that they are returning people to Earth with fuzzy memories in total stealth seems suspiciously like dreams and night terrors.

From an anthro standpoint, close interaction isn't necessary at all. Humans put everything out there. These days anyway. A century ago, maybe not so much. And if you're just cataloging info, you still don't really need a lot of abductions. You could just pick up a lot of cadavers. The same if you're just looking for alien biological raw material.

Really the only good reason to abduct is to directly interact with the human mind, or the active human body. They could be looking for something specific, instead of 'just looking'. The only reason to return and re-abduct is to monitor progress or changes. I don't imagine that they would come and behave the way that's been reported if they were here to make friends. Even the most benevolent of encounters, the aliens came, did their business, were extra friendly and re-assuring, and rolled out Audi 5000. They may promise to come back and take their contactees to Disneyland for their birthdays, world peace, and all of that, to make small talk, but there does appear to be some kind of logical objective, even though we have no idea what it could be. Outside of bio-medical something or other to do with our asses.

Alien ethics? Maybe the ass probing thing is just to throw us off the trail.
it's like that star trek episode about the idiot scroungers who tried to kidnap geordie!

TNG had an actual alien abduction episode. That shit was creepy. Even future humans on starships aren't safe.
 
I wen camping at a camp park, there was many tents around us and everyone at the camp ground saw three bright oranges objects. One of them was following the two other objects.

I believe in the possibility of another form of life in the universe, but not in humans being anal prob.
 
Fire in the sky is the scariest movie I've ever seen.

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Too bad the movie went all horror with it. Travis Walton said the aliens took him to there home world or something and never did anything to him.
 
Too bad the movie went all horror with it. Travis Walton said the aliens took him to there home world or something and never did anything to him.

But he most likely met with Plaedeians, not some Orion-type civilization that basically feeds of human fear :P
 
But he most likely met with Plaedeians, not some Orion-type civilization that basically feeds of human fear :P
I just always found Walton's story to be cool when I was younger. The fact that he, and all of the people there took and passed a poly lends some truth to it I think. I'm from Az and have been to snowflake many times. A lot of crazy shit happens in the white mountains. My dad owns a trucking company, and still likes to drive the trucks for runs. He's never been one to make shit up, and says he has seen a UFO up there at least twice driving up there late at night. I myself saw the Phoenix lights back in 97 I think it was. So I think aliens might be here, doing who the fuck knows. Like Carl Sagen said, If we are alone in the Universe, it sure seems like an awful waste of space.
 
I don't believe it however the actions that Aliens supposedly take during abduction make complete sense to me. We do the same things when we "abduct" Sharks from the Sea to study, drugging them and taking them out of the water for a short time and putting them back. We also "abduct" thousands of species to study in labs all around the world.

If Aliens found us it makes complete sense to abduct us and perform tests, examine our biology and so on. There is only so much you can learn from observation.

It's hard to imagine a reason that they would need or want to abduct any significant quantity of humans to perform experiments on. From an anthropological perspective you could suppose they might be curious about humans including their biology, but if you're thinking about people getting abducted en masse over a period of decades to perform vivisection, probings and so forth, it seems implausible. Since people go missing all the time anyway, there is no real risk to them in terms of blowing their cover if they simply abducted people permanently, whereas the idea that they are returning people to Earth with fuzzy memories in total stealth seems suspiciously like dreams and night terrors.

Maybe they have ethics even we try not to kill animals or take them permanently with no good reason. Also they might just not have the facilities, resources or knowledge to keep us captive and in good health.
 
I just always found Walton's story to be cool when I was younger. The fact that he, and all of the people there took and passed a poly lends some truth to it I think. I'm from Az and have been to snowflake many times. A lot of crazy shit happens in the white mountains. My dad owns a trucking company, and still likes to drive the trucks for runs. He's never been one to make shit up, and says he has seen a UFO up there at least twice driving up there late at night.

Yes, I agree with you, I had quite a few spooky moments (and one night of terror-like visit from some being that I could only see from the reflection at the side of my bed, while hearing that my mother is still asleep in the other end of the room - needless to say, I was terrified to even move, but it was not sleep paralysis, and I was not dreaming either.).

It is not exactly rocket science, but I asked around my friends a few months ago and many of them confirmed to have lived through in their lives at least once or twice moments when the very fabric of reality seemed to fall apart, if only for mere moments. I am worried that these types of things are less and less likely now that our reality is considered much, much more "solid", with Google maps, all the constant scanning of the enviromnent, all the pictures, all the logs and all the monitoring. But hey, I guess I am a weirdo :D
 
No. But as a kid i was terrified by it. I feared aliens more than criminals, still a bit uneasy thinking about it.

Yeah, tell me about it. I watched tons of X-Files episodes at the age of 11-12, and after some contemplation* on the matter, realized that I cant possibly worry about this stuff, as if it happens, I will have no say on the matter anyway :D Then proceeded with my life.

*Years of refusing to sleep without a light turned on, that is :P
 
Yes i do believe (some) Alien abductions are real.

But,
it's a complex situation to set aside from the crack pots wanting attention, to Governments secrets using UFOs as a cover to do tests and free roam. To the real thing.

But one thing that is evident is peoples attitude towards topics like this, for the general public. People are usually mocked or criticized if "UFO, Government Conspiracy, Abductions, etc" are voiced.

I'm surprised with seeing a thread topic like this, i'm impressed.
Might read the entire thread now just to see how Gaf responds to things like this,lol.

Edit: just as i thought, lol
SMH
 
I'm going to go with the stance that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe and that there is actually no way to travel FTL so it is all isolated and will never interact with other civilizations.
 
There was an X Files episode called Jose Chung's From Outer Space. That's what I believe in.

[It's a self-contained episode, definitely worth watching on Netflix. S03E20]
 
Yeah, tell me about it. I watched tons of X-Files episodes at the age of 11-12, and after some contemplation* on the matter, realized that I cant possibly worry about this stuff, as if it happens, I will have no say on the matter anyway :D Then proceeded with my life.

*Years of refusing to sleep without a light turned on, that is :P

yeah, they'll just turn the light off. Or worse...leave it on baby, yeah.
 
I'm going to go with the stance that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe and that there is actually no way to travel FTL so it is all isolated and will never interact with other civilizations.
You don't need FTL, just a Einstein-Rosen Bridge.
 
i was watching a show on discovery channel about an alien attack on earth, in it they suggested aliens would find earth attractive because it is a rare planet with life on it. when you think about, most of space is boring, aliens would find the biology on earth attractive and rare
 
Which requires negative energy. You can do so many cool things when you can just toss negative signs around.
True, but it's possible within the laws of physics as we know them. You have to basically collapse a black hole, but if alien life has been around long enough, this might be well within there grasp.
 
True, but it's possible within the laws of physics as we know them.

Second law of thermodynamics says hi.

I'm not arguing that there is zero chance that super advanced civilizations have figured it out somehow, only that it's a possibility that there is no realistic workaround.
 
It's hard to imagine a reason that they would need or want to abduct any significant quantity of humans to perform experiments on. From an anthropological perspective you could suppose they might be curious about humans including their biology, but if you're thinking about people getting abducted en masse over a period of decades to perform vivisection, probings and so forth, it seems implausible. Since people go missing all the time anyway, there is no real risk to them in terms of blowing their cover if they simply abducted people permanently, whereas the idea that they are returning people to Earth with fuzzy memories in total stealth seems suspiciously like dreams and night terrors.

We capture animals, tag them, and then place them back in their natural habitat to watch them.

Could be the same for humans. A long examination of humans in their natural habitat with periodic "pick-ups" for tagging and assessing.
 
It's just that, a belief.

There is zero evidence to support it. (aliens visiting earth)

When I was 12-13 I was scared to death of aliens, mostly thanks to that damn movie.
 
If the aliens don't want to fully reveal themselves by now then fuck 'em. I've ran out of patience with God, ghosts, aliens and the Illuminati. They wasted enough of my time.
 
Eh, abductions are just alien students getting xenobiology credits. Mainstream alien society has been bored of humans for thousands of years.
 
Or maybe they don't think like us. They don't have too, they want too. Maybe they derive pleasure from it? Maybe it's a conspiracy and it's really the government doing it.
 
Really the only good reason to abduct is to directly interact with the human mind, or the active human body. They could be looking for something specific, instead of 'just looking'. The only reason to return and re-abduct is to monitor progress or changes. I don't imagine that they would come and behave the way that's been reported if they were here to make friends. Even the most benevolent of encounters, the aliens came, did their business, were extra friendly and re-assuring, and rolled out Audi 5000. They may promise to come back and take their contactees to Disneyland for their birthdays, world peace, and all of that, to make small talk, but there does appear to be some kind of logical objective, even though we have no idea what it could be. Outside of bio-medical something or other to do with our asses.

Alien ethics? Maybe the ass probing thing is just to throw us off the trail.

If the Aliens are landing in person, taking people into spaceships, performing surgeries and then delivering them back to Earth all so they can track and monitor them, then they're doing it very wrong. They ought to have the technology to make use of micro-scale machines to enter into rooms and invade people's bodies (relatively) undetectably. There is zero reason for them to land or perform surgery in person, let alone have a team of them looking menacing surrounding people and operating machinery specifically designed to scare people with surgical phobias. Also note that the conception of what aliens look and act like seems to be rooted in early to mid 20th century Science Fiction, while the implications of emerging technologies seem to point to a far stranger future for us that is far less conducive to pulp SF space opera type settings.

But really, there is a broader issue here.

Since we are summoning hypothetical motivations for things that may or may not be real, it's very easy to make ad-hoc rationalizations for any specific behavior reported by people. In the same way, any and all objections to the Aliens ability to do anything (i.e. hover over ground completely undetected, erase memories, FTL travel) gets handwaved by the vague utterances about advanced technology. Where our science explicitly forbids something they say that they have discovered some new science that our puny earth brains can't comprehend yet. Argument is therefore irrelevant because the claims they are making are essentially unfalsifiable. The Aliens can come here undetected, they can destroy all evidence except when they decide to leave memories in tact for some reason, they can use magic tech to overcome any obstacle to them getting here or doing the things we claim they can do. Any behavior whose motivations are unclear are rational, we just don't know why. And depending on who you ask, there is also one or more conspiracies dedicated to destroying any evidence that may exist and suppressing witnesses.
 
If there were such thing as aliens, IF they were abducting us and multilating some people and making others vanish, maybe they are the alien equivelents of

Jack the ripper
Bundy
Gacy
Geon
Etc of the alien world
 
What is the obsession with rectal stuff and denouncing the topic as nonsense on that basis? The many abduction stories I've read over the years rarely (never?) mentioned anal probing of any kind.

That aside, the vast majority of serious-minded, intelligent individuals who believe in UFOs, whether alien or some other bizarre phenomenon, do not hold abductions to be real due to a complete lack of proof from alleged abductees and so-called abduction sites. In contrast, claimed UFO landing sites have turned up high levels of ground radiation and damaged vegetation in the vicinity, multiple radar hits, consistent accounts by witnesses who don't know each other, and photo/video evidence that backs up visual and radar claims.
 
If the Aliens are landing in person, taking people into spaceships, performing surgeries and then delivering them back to Earth all so they can track and monitor them, then they're doing it very wrong. They ought to have the technology to make use of micro-scale machines to enter into rooms and invade people's bodies (relatively) undetectably. There is zero reason for them to land or perform surgery in person, let alone have a team of them looking menacing surrounding people and operating machinery specifically designed to scare people with surgical phobias. Also note that the conception of what aliens look and act like seems to be rooted in early to mid 20th century Science Fiction, while the implications of emerging technologies seem to point to a far stranger future for us that is far less conducive to pulp SF space opera type settings.

But really, there is a broader issue here.

Since we are summoning hypothetical motivations for things that may or may not be real, it's very easy to make ad-hoc rationalizations for any specific behavior reported by people. In the same way, any and all objections to the Aliens ability to do anything (i.e. hover over ground completely undetected, erase memories, FTL travel) gets handwaved by the vague utterances about advanced technology. Where our science explicitly forbids something they say that they have discovered some new science that our puny earth brains can't comprehend yet. Argument is therefore irrelevant because the claims they are making are essentially unfalsifiable. The Aliens can come here undetected, they can destroy all evidence except when they decide to leave memories in tact for some reason, they can use magic tech to overcome any obstacle to them getting here or doing the things we claim they can do. Any behavior whose motivations are unclear are rational, we just don't know why. And depending on who you ask, there is also one or more conspiracies dedicated to destroying any evidence that may exist and suppressing witnesses.

Broader issues can be a distraction. And this thread is a bit of thinking fun.

Anyway, I didn't say they were doing surgery. I used that as an example of what the unreliable narrator, the experiencer could relate or believe themselves to have gone through. What actually happened? Anybody's guess. And whether or not it's simpler or more appropriate for them to use nanomachines(heh) instead of handwavy levitation, really assumes way too much from the little that we (don't) know. (Like assuming they aren't using nano.) Maybe they don't have enough fairy dust they can blow into your open window and magically absorb all the data they need. Maybe they do but see it as a waste of resources when they can just haul someone in, as it seems to be easy enough for them to do. And it seems they don't worry much about stealth either, seeing how that's been handled well enough for the primitive hu-mans.

There is zero reason for them not to land, if it suits them. There's nothing saying that they even have to land. Many of the stories say they don't. At this point we're second guessing imaginary alien technology, and it feels good. Just because something "makes sense" according to our new present understanding doesn't make it conform to alien logic. Maybe they have a set procedure about these things. Maybe they just don't have an app for that, and don't need one because what they do works just fine?

And again we're not trying to explain (or debunk) the entire alien issue here, just by examining and discussing one small (mostly hypothetical) facet. Well...some of us aren't. If you want to say that it's all figments brought on by too many root beers, 1950's bomb scares, and movies about little green men, I'll just remind you that Gort and the green cabbage headed martians don't very much resemble grey aliens. Or even the many varied other types that people around the world have said they have seen. These aliens are decidedly, very un-movie like.

and back to broader issues, yes, because the hypothetical situation is an encounter with a hyper-advanced civilization, we will just have to accept the possibility of them being able to do things that we don't understand. That's not an impossibility, and instead of treating it like it is, we should learn to think within that box for thought experiments like these. Within logical "reason", so lets try to preserve some linearity. We don't invent magic, but don't be afraid to pull out a question mark and move on.

your fellow humans are capable of coming and going undetected, they're capable of noticing any tracks left behind and obliterating them, and they can even befuddle a person and obscure or inhibit their memories with drugs. Aliens have only been reported of being able to do the same, and that needn't be attributed to any magic tech, just unknown methods. The point isn't to rationalize or accept every point of every story, or even the concept of "alien abduction" over all. The point is to consider, and only consider, the possibility that something we can't explain happened to these people, and to question what that means. And since these things always seem to come down to FTL... You don't stop on market square on your way to the ball and say "we can't figure this bit out, so it's all bunk". Just assume they figured out how to get here, handwavey style and move on. You don't have to sign anything.
 
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