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[Men_in_Boxes]

Curious if any Trekies can point to this scene (mild insubordination) occurring in any of the newer Star Trek offerings. Does this scene get made today?



TLDW:

- Warf (2nd in command) publicly questions Captain Datas decision.
- Data calls for private meeting with Warf.
- Warf works through his mistake and takes responsibility.
- Data acknowledges their friendship and apologizes if it's now over.
- Warf recognizes that his own actions placed their friendship in jeopardy.
- No villains in the interaction. Both characters remain noble and acknowledge the importance of command structure/the mission. Conflict without malice.

 

[DarkestHour]

TNG had so many good things throughout it of how to be a civilized person.

 

[nush]

If they made that now Worf would be calling up Starfleet Command complaining about racist discrimination and Russia-phobia for good measure.

 

[BouncyFrag]

If they made that now Worf would be calling up Starfleet Command complaining about racist discrimination and Russia-phobia for good measure.

 

[teezzy]

Damn I gotta watch more Trek

 

[FunkMiller]

Nothing like this will ever turn up in any modern Star Trek, because modern Star Trek really isn't Star Trek anymore. It's Star Wars.

They turned a cerebral, secular hard sci-fi show into a dumb, spiritual sci-fi fantasy.

Roddenberry is revolving in his grave.

 

[Catphish]

That was such a good show.

 

[Dr Bass]

Curious if any Trekies can point to this scene (mild insubordination) occurring in any of the newer Star Trek offerings. Does this scene get made today?



TLDW:

- Warf (2nd in command) publicly questions Captain Datas decision.
- Data calls for private meeting with Warf.
- Warf works through his mistake and takes responsibility.
- Data acknowledges their friendship and apologizes if it's now over.
- Warf recognizes that his own actions placed their friendship in jeopardy.
- No villains in the interaction. Both characters remain noble and acknowledge the importance of command structure/the mission. Conflict without malice.

It's scenes like this that made Star Trek, Star Trek. TNG was so good at it's best moments.

The modern stuff is just all nonsense, written by people who don't seem to understand what the series was even about. Just make something different rather than crap over the legacy of the stuff that was actually good.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I need to get back to tng. I was binging it from the beginning and made it about halfway through the second season before I got distracted. That first bit is certainly rough but by season three if I recall it's great.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Nothing like this will ever turn up in any modern Star Trek, because modern Star Trek really isn't Star Trek anymore. It's Star Wars.

They turned a cerebral, secular hard sci-fi show into a dumb, spiritual sci-fi fantasy.

Roddenberry is revolving in his grave.

I come at it from a slightly different angle.

There's a truth in this scene that can be found in any genre. The Federation is a highly functioning and capable organization that recruits intelligent, dependable people. Highly functioning people resolve conflicts in healthy, effective ways. See: Warf and Data.

In Discovery (I bounced after the Tardigrade episode) all the characters just seemed like morons. It was Star Trek: Idiocracy where the environment wasn't impacted by the stupidity of the characters.

 

[Wheeljack539]

I come at it from a slightly different angle.

There's a truth in this scene that can be found in any genre. The Federation is a highly functioning and capable organization that recruits intelligent, dependable people. Highly functioning people resolve conflicts in healthy, effective ways. See: Warf and Data.

In Discovery (I bounced after the Tardigrade episode) all the characters just seemed like morons. It was Star Trek: Idiocracy where the environment wasn't impacted by the stupidity of the characters.

The kicker was that one side episode that had Rosa Salazar in it with the tribbles.

Oh, to be that fly on the wall in heaven to hear Roddenberry rant.

 

[Pagusas]

The crazy thing is I've actually had an interaction with one of my first bosses in almost that same way, playing out nearly the same way with me defending but respectfully, him making it clear his goals and objectives for me and how I am off track, and me realizing then in there that I was in the wrong and making it clear I could and would do better. No fighting, no name calling, no making the other feel bad or back handed comments, a direct adult conversation without a villain that lead to understanding and change.

I wish we had more things like that in the world to show not everything has to be a egotistical battle and go nuclear. Conflicts and issues can be resolved with maturity and respect... But that doesn't make a good tiktok or generate clicks.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

 

[KyoZz]

Holy shit. Is this real? It's in this show? That 'conversation' @40s is unreal.
And the acting...

 

[Kenpachii]

rofl

 

[AJUMP23]

Holy shit. Is this real? It's in this show? That 'conversation' @40s is unreal.
And the acting...

I was thinking the same thing....this is like some bad local theater production, that doesn't care about the source material.

They are just fantasy role playing on how command works. Not actually understand what it takes to be a leader.

 

[jason10mm]

I was thinking the same thing....this is like some bad local theater production, that doesn't care about the source material.

They are just fantasy role playing on how command works. Not actually understand what it takes to be a leader.

I'd want the klingons to win but quite frankly they are just as annoying.

 

[CGiRanger]

Pretty much sums it up with this comment and the critique of one scene that follows what "Modern Trek" has been reduced to...

 

[clem84]

Nothing like this will ever turn up in any modern Star Trek, because modern Star Trek really isn't Star Trek anymore. It's Star Wars.

They turned a cerebral, secular hard sci-fi show into a dumb, spiritual sci-fi fantasy.

Roddenberry is revolving in his grave.

You know, generally speaking I like Discovery and Picard and whenever people criticize them, I often feel like they're going overboard.

However when I see small excerpts from older Treks like this one, then yeah it becomes clear to me that Star Trek has indeed lost something. It's definitely less cerebral, and also more the kind of show meant to be consumed once and forgotten. There's a reason why older trek series are very popular on Netflix. They're well made and can be enjoyed more than once. Somehow I don't see newer Treks being very popular several years later.

 

[clem84]

- Warf (2nd in command) publicly questions Captain Datas decision.
- Data calls for private meeting with Warf.
- Warf works through his mistake and takes responsibility.
- Data acknowledges their friendship and apologizes if it's now over.
- Warf recognizes that his own actions placed their friendship in jeopardy.
- No villains in the interaction. Both characters remain noble and acknowledge the importance of command structure/the mission. Conflict without malice.

 

[DeafTourette]

Data has no emotions... So you won't see him yelling, calling Starfleet HR or any Karen type behavior. He's cooler than a Vulcan.

That's my only contribution. But there was a scene in Discovery s. 4 near the end something like this. But not friendship.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Granted I haven't seen season 4, but seeing as this is like discovery (no pun intended) of tribbles type shit and not way off in the timeline, and not recognizing any of the characters/actors this can't be Discovery right? Short Treks? I heard those were awful and never watched them.

 

[strange headache]

Data has no emotions... So you won't see him yelling, calling Starfleet HR or any Karen type behavior.

So even an artificial robot with no feelings shows all around better behavior than all the human characters in NUtrek... that alone should tell you how horribly bad the new show is.

 

[DeafTourette]

Granted I haven't seen season 4, but seeing as this is like discovery (no pun intended) of tribbles type shit and not way off in the timeline, and not recognizing any of the characters/actors this can't be Discovery right? Short Treks? I heard those were awful and never watched them.

They were mostly pointless (Short Treks) ... But were part of Discovery timeline. Just not part of the main stories ... There was one that was really good! It starred the guy from Leverage... The one that played Hardison

 

[Melon Husk]

Granted I haven't seen season 4, but seeing as this is like discovery (no pun intended) of tribbles type shit and not way off in the timeline, and not recognizing any of the characters/actors this can't be Discovery right? Short Treks? I heard those were awful and never watched them.

This is from the show?! Looks like a fanmade shortfilm. Is Discovery a live action Lower Decks these days? edit: I see, "Short Treks".

I started watching TNG recently. Slow paced compared to modern standards but never too slow, unlike the original series. I love the camera work in TNG.

Do they ever sit down at a table and talk in nuTrek?

 

[NecrosaroIII]

Old Star Trek represents everything new Trek writers hate: Respect for chain of command, diplomacy, level headed intellectual curiosity

 

[Xenon]

Nah the people writing nutrëk grew up with learning circles and design by committee. Sharing and feelings are Paramount to them.

 

[DeafTourette]

This is from the show?! Looks like a fanmade shortfilm. Is Discovery a live action Lower Decks these days? edit: I see, "Short Treks".

I started watching TNG recently. Slow paced compared to modern standards but never too slow, unlike the original series. I love the camera work in TNG.

Do they ever sit down at a table and talk in nuTrek?

The sitting down at a table is largely a TNG/Voy/sometimes DS9 thing... Wasn't TOS ... Barely a thing on Enterprise.

But they DO discuss things ... Though it's more like how it can be in an actual submarine: Captain talks with XO and then disseminate to the crew of the bridge. Or Captain talks with the bridge crew then and there.

Especially as they were initiating first contact with species 10-C.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

If that's how our nuclear sub crews acted they'd all be rotting on the seabed by now

 

[DeafTourette]

If that's how our nuclear sub crews acted they'd all be rotting on the seabed by now

I was BSing ... I wouldn't know. LoL! That's how they do it on the TV shows and movies tho.

 

[Xenon]

This is from the show?! Looks like a fanmade shortfilm. Is Discovery a live action Lower Decks these days? edit: I see, "Short Treks".

I started watching TNG recently. Slow paced compared to modern standards but never too slow, unlike the original series. I love the camera work in TNG.

Do they ever sit down at a table and talk in nuTrek?

Yeah me too, I was hoping to finish it before it left Netflix. Made it to the end of season 5. My thoughts were not that it was slow paced, but they really gave the story and characters room to breath. I guess that's the big advantage of not having a major arch to deal with in every episode.

I switched over to DS9, it just shows how different a series can be while still being Trek. This is my 4th viewing of it andthe thing that stands out is how Quark shows his nicer side really early. For some reason I thought he was a bigger ahole the first few seasons.