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[Ionian]

SafeOrAlone
I mean this seriously but are you alright? A majority of your posts on the forum are either making blanket accusations or picking fights with other members...

They are (the posts) prob ex-Era but is kept as a toy as a Ree-Turner.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

SafeOrAlone
I mean this seriously but are you alright? A majority of your posts on the forum are either making blanket accusations or picking fights with other members...

That’s pretty inaccurate actually. Most of my posts are pretty well articulated and related to the content of the thread. I lamented that there were trolls in this thread because there are people coming in to simply pick on some of the heavier MCU fans around here and rile them up, which I don’t t think is cool.

You say you’re being serious but I’m kind of skeptical because most people don’t respond positively to “are you alright?” On a forum lol.

long story short, looks like you’ve just happened to run into the one or two threads where I disagreed with a few particular people who also engaged with me in an abrasive manner.
if you were really taking my post history into account, you’d see that nowhere near the majority of my posts are like that.
No hard feelings though. Look for yourself.

 

[nush]

SafeOrAlone
I mean this seriously but are you alright? A majority of your posts on the forum are either making blanket accusations or picking fights with other members...

He had a taste of attention, now he's just trying to get that high again, even though that attention was people ripping the absolute piss out of him.

 

[SoggyBiscuit]

I think the biggest issue for Marvel movies going forward post-Endgame is building up that incredible overarching plot again.

It comes as no surprise that a lot of people, myself included, are burnt out on the formula now. Who's really going to get excited for another potentially 20+ movie build up again? Except this time we've got all the C-List Marvel heroes.

With the greenlighting of multiple TV series it makes everything even more difficult to follow. It already wasn't cheap to see the first 23 movies, now you've got multiple plot devices and references being laid across all forms of media. It's exhausting (and expensive!)

I've yet to see either Shang-Chi or Eternals, and I think a fair few would likely share my sentiment that they simply don't care any longer.

If Eternals is really unlikely to garner enough positive reception or box office billions for a sequel then it's no issue to just not proceed further and instead focus maybe on better stories with the cast and characters they've already developed.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

He had a taste of attention, now he's just trying to get that high again, even though that attention was people ripping the absolute piss out of him.

Well to be fair, it all started when you refused to remove a spoiler and you had a tantrum when I asked you to. Then the mods stepped in and censored it for you, which probably really got under your skin, because I was the catalyst.

but in regards to the current situation, I commented that there is a specific group trying to rile people up and well, it’s true, right? There are some hardcore marvel fans in here that are ardent defenders and you’re poking the bear with that “someone check on the marvel fans” and your attacks at “Sol”, right? I mean it’s clearly fun for you.

please don’t take this as an attack, but that’s what I’m seeing.

 

[Diatribe1974]

Dune can make 300 million at the box office and unlike Eternals, people will want to see a sequel. That's the difference.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

I think the biggest issue for Marvel movies going forward post-Endgame is building up that incredible overarching plot again.

It comes as no surprise that a lot of people, myself included, are burnt out on the formula now. Who's really going to get excited for another potentially 20+ movie build up again? Except this time we've got all the C-List Marvel heroes.

With the greenlighting of multiple TV series it makes everything even more difficult to follow. It already wasn't cheap to see the first 23 movies, now you've got multiple plot devices and references being laid across all forms of media. It's exhausting (and expensive!)

I've yet to see either Shang-Chi or Eternals, and I think a fair few would likely share my sentiment that they simply don't care any longer.

If Eternals is really unlikely to garner enough positive reception or box office billions for a sequel then it's no issue to just not proceed further and instead focus maybe on better stories with the cast and characters they've already developed.

I think they’ll feature the Eternals in other MCU movies even if they aren’t in a sequel. They’ve gone all out with the casting, so they’ll want to take advantage of their star power.

plus, if Eternals underperforms, I can imagine them feeling a need to “make it up” to some of their bigger stars they’ve dragged in.

 

[nush]

Well to be fair, it all started when you refused to remove a spoiler and you had a tantrum when I asked you to.

Never has a

Made someone lose their shit so hard they have to spin off another reality as a cope.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

I wasn't too invested in all these superhero films (both DC and Marvel) but did like seeing those comic book characters on-screen. But the snap in Infinity War coupled with the time travel stuff in Endgame really killed 99% interest I had in these things. Almost anyone watching knew the snap was temporary and basically turning Endgame into a showcase for the original Avengers. But then Endgame went all in with time travel and made the fake consequences even cheaper. Just completely put me off.

I agree with a lot of these story critiques, but still enjoyed a lot about those films. MCU really needs a way to inject a sense of consequence back into the films though. Especially now with the multiverse.
Killing off Iron Man and sending Cap away were some of the refreshing aspects of Endgame, imo.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Never has a

Made someone lose their shit so hard they have to spin off another reality as a cope.

Well, that’s what happened. I’m not sure which part you’d even try to deny, and I doubt you’ll point it out either, because it’s all accurate.

 

[nush]

Well, that’s what happened. I’m not sure which part you’d even try to deny, and I doubt you’ll point it out either, because it’s all accurate.

This bellend doesn't know that receipts are my thing. What do you reckon? Let him dig a deeper cope hole before pulling them?

 

[SoggyBiscuit]

I think they’ll feature the Eternals in other MCU movies even if they aren’t in a sequel. They’ve gone all out with the casting, so they’ll want to take advantage of their star power.

plus, if Eternals underperforms, I can imagine them feeling a need to “make it up” to some of their bigger stars they’ve dragged in.

Yeah, that's a feasible solution. Though I don't know what the contract situation is for many of the "newer" MCU cast.

It feels very strange to look back at the Phase One movies and see there were only 6 movies for the whole phase.

Phase 4 already has 11 movies in the pipeline along with a potential 12 or 13 TV shows alongside.

That's just too much for someone like me. I do think scaling back again for a fresh start would have been the optimal thing to do personally. Make a smaller amount of movies that feel new and exciting again.

 

[Sub_Level]

Probably still going to do well at the box office. Every normie is still gonna go out to see it.

 

[kurisu_1974]

Why does Hollywood often have auteurs/indie directors do their big dumb spectacle movies? There's never any signature style of the director left, and the end result is more often than not pure shit.... Jean Pierre Jeunet, Colin Trevorrow, Marc Webb, and so many others. Is it because they can get a "known name" for rather cheap? And I guess the directors just want the money and then hope everybody will forget the stinker they created?

 

[nush]

Why does Hollywood often have auteurs/indie directors do their big dumb spectacle movies?

It's becuse they are cheap and inexperienced (Easy to control) but with one darling movie under their belt they have the hot new director cred still going for them.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

This bellend doesn't know that receipts are my thing. What do you reckon? Let him dig a deeper cope hole before pulling them?

I think you should put up or just drop it instead of trying to make a spectacle of this in the middle of an Eternals thread.

I’ve never gotten under someone’s skin so bad on a forum, and I’m sorry it’s you, but I find this really tiring. Please don’t try to drag or “tag” me into other threads in an attempt to dog pile me. It’s one thing to debate or even argue on a forum, but trying to drag my name all over the forum is obsessive.

 

[kurisu_1974]

It's becuse they are cheap and inexperienced (Easy to control) but with one darling movie under their belt they have the hot new director cred still going for them.

Yeah that's what I think too, but how many Marvel stans have even ever heard of Chloe Zhao or have even seen and liked Nomadland I wonder. Or how many arthouse movie fans are thinking, oh shit this Marvel movie is gonna be lit because fucking Ang Lee is directing it... Or is it only to lure in investors who don't have a clue either...? It also always never works out so well, except maybe for Bryan Singer, Adam Wingard and a couple of others.

 

[12Goblins]

Probably still going to do well at the box office. Every normie is still gonna go out to see it.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Why does Hollywood often have auteurs/indie directors do their big dumb spectacle movies? There's never any signature style of the director left, and the end result is more often than not pure shit.... Jean Pierre Jeunet, Colin Trevorrow, Marc Webb, and so many others. Is it because they can get a "known name" for rather cheap? And I guess the directors just want the money and then hope everybody will forget the stinker they created?

Marc Webb could have made an awesome Spider-Man movie if he was actually allowed. The guy showed a great sense of both character and style with 500 Days of Summer and his music videos.
He directed the My Chemical Romance “I’m not Okay” video for those who don’t know. Feel however you want about the band, but it’s a fun, stylish video.

with the MCU though, the directors are joining a huge team, so it makes sense that we get less of their signature style. There is just so much they have to keep organized and on track. Seems like they are trying to branch out more though, which is a good thing. Eternals, good or bad, supposedly is quite different in tone compared to most MCU films. Too early to tell, for us, how much of Chloe’s style will be apparent, but it sounds like they actually went for something this time.

 

[kurisu_1974]

I never said the indie movies they made were bad, just that most of these directors are a horrible fit for a corporate comic book superhero flick.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

I never said the indie movies they made were bad, just that most of these directors are a horrible fit for a corporate comic book superhero flick.

Right. I didn’t say you said they were bad. I just commented that it would have been cool if Marc Webb was actually able to do his thing rather than be a stool for Sony.

 

[Ionian]

that's what I think too, but how many Marvel stans have even ever heard of Chloe Zhao or have even seen and liked Nomadland I wonder. Or how many arthouse movie fans are thinking, oh shit this Marvel movie is gonna be lit because fucking Ang Lee is directing it... Or is it only to lure in investors who don't have a clue either...? It also always never works out so well, except maybe for Bryan Singer, Adam Wingard and a couple of others.

Bryan singer, the pedophile.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Bryan singer, the pedophile.

You quoted my name with someone else's post. You're trying to reply to someone else.

 

[SlimySnake]

While I like the idea of poaching indie directors to do big blockbusters, I dont quite like the results. Action movies need to do action well. And these directors have never shot a single action scene in their lives. It took Nolan several batman movies to learn how to shoot action, and even now after like 10 action movies, his scenes lack the intensity and choreography of action movie directors like the Wachowskis, Zack Snyder and Spielberg. Marvel movies have a lot of spectacle but man the action scenes just dont do it for me. I think the Thanos vs Avengers fight on Titan is the only truly great action setpiece in a Marvel movie. The rest are all very forgettable.

on topic, this movie wont get a sequel but doesnt mean it wont make hundreds of millions. I expect it to be the highest grossing film of the year even if it ends up missing Disney's projections due to poor reviews. I really dont think Marvel fans give a shit about reviews.

 

[kurisu_1974]

You quoted my name with someone else's post. You're trying to reply to someone else.

Not that his input is very relevant to the discussion either way.

While I like the idea of poaching indie directors to do big blockbusters, I dont quite like the results. Action movies need to do action well. And these directors have never shot a single action scene in their lives. It took Nolan several batman movies to learn how to shoot action, and even now after like 10 action movies, his scenes lack the intensity and choreography of action movie directors like the Wachowskis, Zack Snyder and Spielberg. Marvel movies have a lot of spectacle but man the action scenes just dont do it for me. I think the Thanos vs Avengers fight on Titan is the only truly great action setpiece in a Marvel movie. The rest are all very forgettable.

I don't think they actually have much input regarding the action scenes. They are all storyboarded and planned out sometimes even before a director is decided upon. That's why they all look the same and feel so generic.

 

[Mihos]

Don't care, still seeing it Saturday

 

[Ionian]

You quoted my name with someone else's post. You're trying to reply to someone else.

I edited it right after posting. Was a mistake. I left the one intended for you.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

I edited it right after posting. Was a mistake. I left the one intended for you.

Right. Still not fixed. Don't hurt yourself over there.

 

[Salz01]

Not really sure who thought this was going to be a bonfide hit. The movie screams direct to video, or direct to streaming service. I’m sure there is some exec or suit, that’s mulling the idea of rebooting the entire mcu, that focuses on a younger chinese iron man, tran capt america, aboriginal widow etc…. That freshens things up.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Apparently pre-orders are outpacing Shang-Chi. I think some people in this thread may have spoken too early.

 

[Great Hair]

Cosplay - Fan Movie

Poor Angelina Jolie ... feel so sorry for her. Must be hard, to succeed in hollywood, especially as a daughter of a Pig Farmer.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

I think most sane people will actually want to check out of discussion on this film sooner than later, the way things are headed. It looks like it's just going to be another political battleground, where people judge it on whether or not they agree with it's politics. Comes from all sides.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Can someone make a wellness check on the Marvel stans?

‘Eternals’ Eyeing $75M Opening Weekend; Ranks As Fandango’s 2nd Best Preseller Of The Year

The domestic box office is in store for a resurge again with Disney/Marvel's deep universe IP Eternals.

deadline.com

 

[sol_bad]

Stop talking out of your ass, you were already celebrating the financial success of these movies when they passed the 300 million mark.









You're just stanning for Marvel.

It's called context sunshine, something you are really bad at providing with many of your posts.

My first post you quoted about Black Widow was on the 26/07/21, basically Black Widows 3rd weekend. Which means there are another 2-3 weekends where there is potential growth to the movies box office. Meanwhile, Dune has already been out in most territories for over a month and a half, more than 6 weekends. And when you look at the weekend grosses for America and the UK, it's not looking good. I made 4 million on it's 2nd weekend in the UK, and it made 15 million on it's 2nd weekend in America. It might make another 2-3 million in the UK and another 10-12 million in America. Add another potential 10 million for Australia and it may potentially hit 350 million total.
Obviously Black Widow made 379 million total at the box office which isn't great but it was backed up by 125 million made on Disney+. In total it made over 500 million which is nothing to sneeze at.

My second post about Black Widow was in response to you claiming that Godzilla vs Kong did amazingly great at the box office while also claiming that Black Widow failed. You'll see that I very clearly stated the box office numbers of both films without any Chinese box office figures. Without China, Black Widow did far better than Godzilla vs Kong in the majority of territories.

And again, my post about Shang Chi was made on the 19/09/21 on it's 3rd weekend as opposed to Dune being on it's 6th weekend. Again, generally at the 3rd weekend there is still plenty of time for a movies box office to grow. By the 6th or 7th weekend, there is not much growth left in a films box office. And because I'm sure you'll point out a bunch of billion dollar hits there are obviously exceptions to that rule and very clearly Dune is not one of those exceptions.

And in context to how the film industry has done over the last 18 months (in September), Black Widow and Shang Chi have done quite well, all things considered. 500 million and 423 million are far better prospects than a potential 350 million. And now No Time to Die has proven people are more than happy and willing to finally return to the cinemas. Audiences will continue to grow over the next 6 months as well, film industry will stabilise.

 

[strange headache]

It's called context sunshine, something you are really bad at providing with many of your posts.

What you call context, most others would describe as framing.
So keep pushing that narrative.

 

[iorek21]

It was pretty obvious that post Endgame would be tricky for Marvel, specially since the most iconic characters had their arc concluded in Phase 3.

Aside from Spider-Man, there’s not really much going on for the MCU, at least for now. But we all know this is going to change soon since X-men are coming and they’ll basically carry the Universe until a reboot.

 

[hemo memo]

That consistent track record has now been broken as the new “Eternals” film has been dubbed ‘rotten’ following its score dropping to 58% – by far the lowest scoring MCU film to date.

It dropped to 53% now actually.

 

[Billbofet]

Apparently pre-orders are outpacing Shang-Chi. I think some people in this thread may have spoken too early.

Doesn't Disney just buy millions in tickets and write it off as a marketing expense. I thought I read that before, and it makes sense long term. Plus, who the fuck preorders a movie ticket nowadays?! Like, maybe a few hours in advance, but weeks and days ahead....

 

[sol_bad]

It was pretty obvious that post Endgame would be tricky for Marvel, specially since the most iconic characters had their arc concluded in Phase 3.

Aside from Spider-Man, there’s not really much going on for the MCU, at least for now. But we all know this is going to change soon since X-men are coming and they’ll basically carry the Universe until a reboot.

I disagree, in 10 years time people will be in love with Shang Chi, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel and we'll see the same "bah humbug" about the MCU we are seeing today as those newer characters start to leave..

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

3rd consecutive Marvel flop incoming.

 

[nush]

Doesn't Disney just buy millions in tickets and write it off as a marketing expense. I thought I read that before, and it makes sense long term. Plus, who the fuck preorders a movie ticket nowadays?! Like, maybe a few hours in advance, but weeks and days ahead....

They do and other studios probably do the same. Looking at the seats that had been reserved for the Last Jedi the front row was full when there were many better seats available. That just never happens.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

Doesn't Disney just buy millions in tickets and write it off as a marketing expense. I thought I read that before, and it makes sense long term. Plus, who the fuck preorders a movie ticket nowadays?! Like, maybe a few hours in advance, but weeks and days ahead....

I think it’s sort of silly to believe that in all honesty. I looked into it, because Captain Marvel was awful, but I’ve seen no actual proof. Supposed pics of sold out theaters with empty seats, but nothing really proven from what I’ve seen.

 

[sol_bad]

I think it’s sort of silly to believe that in all honesty. I looked into it, because Captain Marvel was awful, but I’ve seen no actual proof. Supposed pics of sold out theaters with empty seats, but nothing really proven from what I’ve seen.

And it's only Disney that apparently does it. If it helped them so much financially you'd think all the studios would do it and everyone would complain about empty theatres when they look booked out online. No, they'll happily believe Disney does this even without proof.

 

[DeafTourette]

I pre-ordered my tickets... I have limited time and can't just go out whenever... Weekends are the busiest time for movies because that's when most people go to see them, especially on opening weekend. Those seats can go fast! So I pre-order.

 

[Billbofet]

I think it’s sort of silly to believe that in all honesty. I looked into it, because Captain Marvel was awful, but I’ve seen no actual proof. Supposed pics of sold out theaters with empty seats, but nothing really proven from what I’ve seen.

I'm not saying I believe that - I honestly don't give a shit. I'm saying it makes sense. If you have a 25+ film franchise that has been on top for the last 10+ years, it makes more sense to put that money towards an inflated box office as some people equate that with the quality of a movie.
It would also generate more buzz than if it bombs. Disney is probably the only studio that can afford to do this. Again, not saying I believe it without proof, but is it really so hard to imagine? And if they did buy "tickets", that money would probably not be in the form of empty seats, but rather a line item on the box office total.

 

[SafeOrAlone]

I'm not saying I believe that - I honestly don't give a shit. I'm saying it makes sense. If you have a 25+ film franchise that has been on top for the last 10+ years, it makes more sense to put that money towards an inflated box office as some people equate that with the quality of a movie.
It would also generate more buzz than if it bombs. Disney is probably the only studio that can afford to do this. Again, not saying I believe it without proof, but is it really so hard to imagine? And if they did buy "tickets", that money would probably not be in the form of empty seats, but rather a line item on the box office total.

it’s not hard to imagine but I can imagine lots of things that don’t happen. You’d think Disney would just do this for every film if that were the case and avoid all those stories about a descending Star Wars box office or Black Widow disappointment.

Sure, it’s possible, but since there is no proof of it and it’s used constantly as a talking point by people who have no proof, makes it a bit of a tired point, imo.