• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Doug Liman On Why He Left Channing Tatum's Gambit

L

LordOfLore

Banned
Link.

Doug Liman continues to be an in-demand director after hits like Edge of Tomorrow and Mr. and Mrs. Smith. In November 2015, Liman was named as the director on Channing Tatum’s anticipated Gambit movie, then it was pushed back for him to do The Wall, a smaller film that’s coming out this Friday, starring Aaron Taylor-Johnson and John Cena. (Liman also reunited with Tom Cruise for American Made coming out in late September, as well.)

Last August, it was reported that LIman had walked away from Gambit to focus on other movies. It definitely seems like Liman is well-qualified to take on a superhero movie, and he might still do so, having attached himself to DC Entertainment/Warner Bros’ Dark Universe aka Justice League Dark around the same time as leaving Gambit.

When LRM spoke with Liman over the weekend, we asked him about his decision to leave Gambit for other projects:

“I'm all about the script, and I just wasn't feeling it,” he told us. “I've gotta connect to the script. On Bourne Identity, Matt Damon was always referring to himself as a 'script whore,' and I'm with Matt on that. It's like, you feel the script, that's everything. We make movies because we want to tell great stories. The Wall started with a contest Amazon ran, and Dwain's script rose to the top, and then it got handed to me.”
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

Delay the movie again if old.
 
E

excelsiorlef

Member
You mean a movie about the X-Men with the least amount of depth made for a bad script?

I'm shocked.

Gambit is so bland you should call him Remy Danvers

Don't worry scriptwriters trying to make a good Gambit script:

images
 
Grizzlyjin

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Whoever gets picked for the Cyborg movie is going to say the same thing after they walk away. Gambit solo movie? Cyborg solo movie? There's better ways to waste time and money, even in just the superhero movie genre.
 
E

Extra Sauce

Member
"It's a Gambit movie. You know the X-Men dude with an inaccurate "cajun" accent who throws playing cards? Yeah... it's a movie based on him. That's why I left the project. I thought I signed on for a remake of the '60s Michael Caine film."
 
G

Gambit

Member
You people all suck ;-)

Sadly I have to agree that Gambit, if anything, is far better suited to be part of an ensemble.
 
C

Ceres

Banned
Gambit should just appear in Deadpool so he can make fun of him and that be the extent of his movie time
 
E

excelsiorlef

Member
Slayven said:
Damn

Gambit was dated as hell by his second appearance
Click to expand...

I think that was by design

Claremont:

Gambit was created to be, among many other things, an adversary for the X-Men, working to subvert and destroy them from within. The connection with Sinister was part of his genesis from the get-go– *however* that connection related solely to *my* conception of Sinister and the plans I had for him and the team, post “X-Men” #3 (1991.)
Click to expand...


And what were the Sinister plans?

When Chris Claremont first introduced Mr. Sinister, the idea was that the character we knew as Mr. Sinister was actually a product of the mutant mind of a child. A child who could never age. Essentially, a twisted version of the relationship between Billy Batson and Captain Marvel.

Claremont first mainly laid these plans out in the pages of Classic X-Men, where he featured stories of Scott Summers’ upbringing as an orphan in an orphanage. There there was a boy who was fascinated with Scott, and whatever the boy wanted to have happen, suddenly Mr. Sinister would show up and do what the boy wanted to have happen.

The reveal would be that the boy WAS Mr. Sinister – which is why the name is so dorky – as this villain would be the product of the mind of a child.

The only problem is, this child would never grow up, leaving Mr. Sinister to become more and more his public persona.

Ultimately, though, after Claremont was no longer writing X-Men, later writers completely changed this plot point. The stories from the orphanage are now meant to be Mr. Sinister in disguise as a young boy.
Click to expand...

http://www.cbr.com/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-78/

Gambit's inherently shittyness all make sense if he's supposed to be a villain connected to another Villain that is an outright projection of the mind of a literal mutant child.
 
F

Fancyarcher

Member
The script may have sucked simply because it actually sucked, not because of Gambit (bad character or not), but because he found it poorly written, actually. Plenty of good scripts have written around characters that have been considered "not so great". It happens.
 
E

excelsiorlef

Member
To be fair though as much as I hate Gambit... I live Channing Tatum and the dude is such a fucking weird choice that I kinda wish this would happen for the absurdity of it all.
 
DeviantBoi

DeviantBoi

Member
I don't see Tatum as Gambit. He may love the character, but that doesn't mean it's a good match.

I see someone more slender and lithe. That's not Tatum.
 
S

Slayven

Member
excelsiorlef said:
I think that was by design

Claremont:




And what were the Sinister plans?



http://www.cbr.com/comic-book-urban-legends-revealed-78/

Gambit's inherently shittyness all make sense if he's supposed to be a villain connected to another Villain that is an outright projection of the mind of a literal mutant child.
Click to expand...

LOL I knew about the sinister kid thing, but not that gambit was suppose to be his toady. That makes so much sense now
 
O

old manatee

Banned
Gambit would be a lot cooler if he was a Ninja Turtles character. Like, if he got hit with the ooze and turned into a kangaroo man it would be amazing to see him flick cards with his little arms.
 
E

excelsiorlef

Member
Slayven said:
LOL I knew about the sinister kid thing, but not that gambit was suppose to be his toady. That makes so much sense now
Click to expand...

Dude it gets even better


In the Gambit issue of the Classic Marvel Figurine Collection:, Chris Claremont explained Gambit’s origins. He was tied in with Sinister’s original origin of being a perpetual little kid who then created a “villain” character, Mister SInister, to serve as his proxy. So he, in turn, created a “hero” proxy, as well…

“The problem was that, as he’s monitoring the X-Men, he sees and falls for Rogue and wants to win her,” added Claremont, a writer lauded and criticised in equal measure for his intricate subplots and long-term plotting. “But he can’t approach him as himself; he’s too young and won’t be old enough forever – as far as Rogue’s concerned. He can’t approach her as Sinister obviously.”

The nameless villain’s solution, explained Claremont – who stressed that this was his original concept for the Cajun mutant – was to grow an older version of himself… namely Gambit. As originally concieved, Gambit was a bad guy. “He was supposed to come in, meet Rogue, Rogue was supposed to fall in love with him, the act of falling in love develops a humanity in him that seperates him out from Sinister or rather Sinister’s human half. So in a sense, we have a love triangle between a now 60-year old mind in an 11-year-old body, the young Gambit, and Rogue. One’s good, one’s bad. Originally he was a bad guy pretending to be good but then he would discover that maybe he liked being good more and he was torn one way or the other. Ultimately there would be a conflict between Gambit and his creator, his true self.” That was pretty much Claremont’s intent, but as John Lennon once sang, “Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans.”
Click to expand...

http://www.cbr.com/gambit-cyclops-mister-sinister-chris-claremont-clone/

Gambit was also the construction of the same mind of the same literal mutant child created because as Sinister the kid got hot for Rogue so he created Gambit, his idea of an adult version of himself, to woo her. Gambit's literally created because some mutant kid thought Rogue was hot and tried to create what to his child mind was the ideal cool dude...

Doesn't literally everything about Gambit make sense now?

No wonder he's sucked ever since... dude was created to be stupid as fuck.
 
E

ElBoxyBrown

Banned
excelsiorlef said:
Dude it gets even better




http://www.cbr.com/gambit-cyclops-mister-sinister-chris-claremont-clone/

Gambit was also the construction of the same mind of the same literal mutant child created because as Sinister the kid got hot for Rogue so he created Gambit, his idea of an adult version of himself, to woo her. Gambit's literally created because some mutant kid thought Rogue was hot and tried to create what to his child mind was the ideal cool dude...

Doesn't literally everything about Gambit make sense now?

No wonder he's sucked ever since... dude was created to be stupid as fuck.
Click to expand...
We got some badass MvC sprites.

Capcom put in more effort to make him popular than Marvel.
 
S

Slayven

Member
excelsiorlef said:
Dude it gets even better




http://www.cbr.com/gambit-cyclops-mister-sinister-chris-claremont-clone/

Gambit was also the construction of the same mind of the same literal mutant child created because as Sinister the kid got hot for Rogue so he created Gambit, his idea of an adult version of himself, to woo her. Gambit's literally created because some mutant kid thought Rogue was hot and tried to create what to his child mind was the ideal cool dude...

Doesn't literally everything about Gambit make sense now?

No wonder he's sucked ever since... dude was created to be stupid as fuck.
Click to expand...

Jesus no wonder he always felt lost. But that would have been interesting.

Reminds me of Sprite of the Eternals
59YYJmR.gif


He used the power of a Celestial to alter reality and brainwash his whole race, cause he had a million year old long case of blue balls
 
S

Steejee

Member
Gambit in the X-Men cartoon in the 90s was awesome, especially with how he was sorta Jubilee's memtor/father figure at times.

I agree that he'd work well in Deadpool or in an ensemble movie, not so much his own.
 
bengraven

bengraven

Member
Fancyarcher said:
The script may have sucked simply because it actually sucked, not because of Gambit (bad character or not), but because he found it poorly written, actually. Plenty of good scripts have written around characters that have been considered "not so great". It happens.
Click to expand...

This.
 
I

itwasTuesday

He wasn't alone.
Today I learned Justice League Dark is a planned live action movie. I thought they were talking about the animated movie.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

[IndieWire] As Francis Ford Coppola Seeks ‘Megalopolis’ Distribution, ‘Everything Is on the Table’
21
2K
Jinzo Prime replied
  • Locked
Rumor(?): Gore Verbinski To Direct ‘Gambit’ With Channing Tatum At Fox
0
799
LordOfLore replied
Channing Tatum claims to be "Starting Over" with Gambit
34
3K
cdyhybrid replied
Doug Liman exits Justice League Dark (aka Dark Universe)
2
60
7K
Dongs Macabre replied
‘Edge of Tomorrow 2’ Director Doug Liman Gives Update on the Sequel
2
60
7K
Falchion replied
Top Bottom