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Dragon Ball Kai Official Thread
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Igoritza said:
Actually, SD&Taka's last episode was 56. But yeah, they are super slow and far behind.
Freeze-Subs just recently said they are not completely disbanding, but have dropped all projects and will concentrate on DBK for the time being. They just released episode 72.
Also, timeline crap: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Alternate_timeline
Yeah.
There's two timelines where the future ends up a mess and the Z warriors are dead, and two where it doesn't thanks to Trunks heading back to the past.Anth0ny said:
In one of the future timelines, Trunks defeats the androids by deactivating them with an emergency shutoff remote, and is later on killed by cell. We'll call this Trunks A
In the other, Trunks kills the androids and cell because he's spent several years training in the room of spirit and time in the past. We'll call this Trunks B
In one of the "present" timelines, Trunks A saves Goku, warns the Z Warriors, and the androids are eventually defeated via emergency shutoff.
In the other present timeline (the "real" timeline we see through DB and DBZ), Cell arrives on Earth somewhere around the time the fight with the saiyans happens or while everyone is on Namek (they occured roughly 1-2 months apart). Trunks B arrives a year later, gives goku the antidote, warns the Z Warriors, and Gohan eventually defeats perfect cell who has absorbed androids 17 and 18. Trunks B comes from the Trunks B future, while Cell comes from the Trunks A future. Don' worry about how or why they were able to interact with each other, or why the time machine arrived with Cell at the time when it did.
Calcaneus said:
I still remember as a kid waking up sometimes during the middle of the night to watch DBZ that aired and thinking it was the coolest thing ever. Loved the soundtrack even if it was recycled very often, voices, story, etc.
Each time it got to the end of the 53 episodes I hoped it would just continue but when it would restart I would get sad and just watch it over again.
It wasn't until I was in like 7th grade that I saw that it was continuing and I was so pumped but realized quickly that the voices were all different and it was weird. I still watched them and loved it as I got used to the FUNimation dub but I can't watch FUNimation's dub of the first 53 episodes now - it's just too weird.
I need the old Vegeta, Piccolo, Goku, etc for those early episodes.
Choppasmith
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X-Frame said:
Yeah I was in the same boat as you. Except a little before they premiered on CN, my mom got me Funi's first few releases of the episode on VHS. And it was just MINDBLOWING to finally see new episodes, but at the same time it was a shock to hear these strange sound-alikes.
When I watched the first couple of Kai episodes, I still have the original Ocean dub voices in the back of my mind. Like I said in a few posts above, I want to check out the older movies (but will all the fancy remastered stuff) but I know part of me isn't going to care for the new Funi dub, because I enjoyed the Ocean dub so much.
yeah, english sux most of the time, but there will be no screams, that are more epic than those from Sean Schemmel
listen to the scream ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FstSEOajaM
listen to the scream ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FstSEOajaM
ThatObviousUser
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Igoritza said:yeah, english sux most of the time, but there will be no screams, that are more epic than those from Sean Schemmel
listen to the scream ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FstSEOajaM
Man, such awesome radtacular music. Love it.
wildthing2022000
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Shouldn't there be a fifth timeline for the movies since The World's Strongest has Goku knowing the Kaio-ken with Piccolo being alive. Not to mention the DBs would of been gone in the original timeline to bring Goku back to life.
wildthing2022000 said:
db movies are not cannon - they are made for fun, in a way - what would have happened if "this and that"
only movie that could be placed in the cannon is the one with Bojack's team, but that movie also has a mistake - normal trunks is too young, a baby.
oh, yes, there is also a movie with vegeta's little brother - but that's just ridiculous.
DBZ - only the stuff that Toryama put there in the manga. and few scenes from anime witch he supervised.
ThatObviousUser
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Movie with Vegeta's brother >>> all of GT
I can't imagine Toei likes people leaking shit, but I do. Here's some design sketches of Dragon Ball Heroes:
Most likely this will just be a commercial for some new shit Scamco is trying to get kids to buy. I hope the Toei source is wrong with that though, afterall he said Toei were making a Hannah Montana anime series, and that The Plan To Eradicate The Super Saiyans was going to be a handheld feature.
Source: Daizex.com
I'd certainly hope a true fan would know how to correctly spell Toriyama's name. But hey, what do I know. I consider GT canon to the anime.
Most likely this will just be a commercial for some new shit Scamco is trying to get kids to buy. I hope the Toei source is wrong with that though, afterall he said Toei were making a Hannah Montana anime series, and that The Plan To Eradicate The Super Saiyans was going to be a handheld feature.
This time he's likely right.
Source: Daizex.com
Igoritza said:
I'd certainly hope a true fan would know how to correctly spell Toriyama's name. But hey, what do I know. I consider GT canon to the anime.
Mikey Jr.
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I can see where they were trying to go with GT.
They wanted to go back to a Dragonball style show. Goku and company going on weird and wacky adventures. It wasn't bad, but then Goku was a kid for the entire show, but then he went SSJ4 and was an adult with attitude, and other shit. Dunno, it just went all over the fucking place. Plus I missed just normal Goku. Also, a lot of characters were missing. Gohan barely got screen time, and when he did he sucked ass. Vegeta was mehh.
Not to mention SSJ4 design was TERRIBLE. The idea of merging Oozaru and SSJ was a good idea, but the finished product didn't turn out well. The hair should have sticked around, but the red fur was moronic.
Plus the whole show was weird looking.
They wanted to go back to a Dragonball style show. Goku and company going on weird and wacky adventures. It wasn't bad, but then Goku was a kid for the entire show, but then he went SSJ4 and was an adult with attitude, and other shit. Dunno, it just went all over the fucking place. Plus I missed just normal Goku. Also, a lot of characters were missing. Gohan barely got screen time, and when he did he sucked ass. Vegeta was mehh.
Not to mention SSJ4 design was TERRIBLE. The idea of merging Oozaru and SSJ was a good idea, but the finished product didn't turn out well. The hair should have sticked around, but the red fur was moronic.
Plus the whole show was weird looking.
ThatObviousUser
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GT's canon, it's just terribad.
It had some neat ideas, but the execution fell flatter than 10-year old soda. Plus, how could it look worse than most of DBZ animation wise? That to me was one of the most unredeemable parts about it.
That and Vegeta's mustache.
It had some neat ideas, but the execution fell flatter than 10-year old soda. Plus, how could it look worse than most of DBZ animation wise? That to me was one of the most unredeemable parts about it.
That and Vegeta's mustache.
GT has a lot of neat concepts, but the general consensus of the fandom is that the execution is what is off. A lot of the execution can be blamed on weaker ratings. As most people know, the series starts off with the Black Star Saga which is very similar to the DragonBall of old. The issue is, the DragonBall of old hadn't been relevant to Japan for the better part of the decade GT lived in. So Toei throws that concept out the door, and goes for a familiar Z style saga with Bebi, that didn't do amazing either.
The show was intended to last longer than 64 episodes, and it suffers due to rushed pacing that didn't allow the crew to fact check, or even fully elaborate on their ideas. It's not horrible, and gets a lot of undeserved hate, but it is bad when compared to aspects of the series that came before. I enjoy it, and to me it's part of the anime's canon. But my view on canon is pretty simple, anything initially broadcast on Japanese TV is part of the anime's canon (so this excludes all movies), with the sole exceptions going towards the Safety Specials, and any crossovers like that Fuji TV thing. The manga has it's own separate canon based on the Kanzenban releases. I do somewhat suspect that my view on the anime's canon may become splintered if Kai leads itself towards any new material.
As for GT's designs. I dug most of them, as they were very different than what we've seen for the prior decade + of episodes (even if they're very cheesy, and late 80's early 90's action movie looking). A lot of the cast were drawn by Toriyama, so it was interesting to see how his style had evolved when the issue of direct continuity was thrown out the window (as DragonBall's evolution to the style we see in Z is a lot more gradual). I'd much rather he'd evolve that style than having the lean look you see in the newer DragonBall art, and all the Dragon Quest stuff.
The show was intended to last longer than 64 episodes, and it suffers due to rushed pacing that didn't allow the crew to fact check, or even fully elaborate on their ideas. It's not horrible, and gets a lot of undeserved hate, but it is bad when compared to aspects of the series that came before. I enjoy it, and to me it's part of the anime's canon. But my view on canon is pretty simple, anything initially broadcast on Japanese TV is part of the anime's canon (so this excludes all movies), with the sole exceptions going towards the Safety Specials, and any crossovers like that Fuji TV thing. The manga has it's own separate canon based on the Kanzenban releases. I do somewhat suspect that my view on the anime's canon may become splintered if Kai leads itself towards any new material.
As for GT's designs. I dug most of them, as they were very different than what we've seen for the prior decade + of episodes (even if they're very cheesy, and late 80's early 90's action movie looking). A lot of the cast were drawn by Toriyama, so it was interesting to see how his style had evolved when the issue of direct continuity was thrown out the window (as DragonBall's evolution to the style we see in Z is a lot more gradual). I'd much rather he'd evolve that style than having the lean look you see in the newer DragonBall art, and all the Dragon Quest stuff.
half a moon
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When does the dragon say "who has awaken me from my slumber"? Didn't hear it on earth wishing goku back to life or on nameck when dende gave the password. Orange bricks.
Wait. On the next episode he said "you who have awaken me from my slumber I will grant..."
I remember it asked as a question tho.
Wait. On the next episode he said "you who have awaken me from my slumber I will grant..."
I remember it asked as a question tho.
I know toriyama didn't have much involvement in GT, but Toriyama has an awful habit of just forgetting a lot of characters over time for no apparent reason. I mean, yeah, DBZ became The Super Saiyan Show after Piccolo vs. Android 17, but I'm talking about characters which flat out disappear , like Lunch and Tien, and Android 17 to a lesser extent.Mikey Jr. said:
VGChampion
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What's the best way to watch GT these days? Season sets or those package sets? Both can be had for fairly cheap so I'm not sure which one I should go with.
Unknown One
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I find the last saga of GT to be absolute shit. How can those Shenrons be so strong? Fucking King Piccolo from Dragonball killed Shenron.
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Pein said:
Not until October 20.
From what I recall, only three of them had any notable strength, and it is unknown how strong any of them were in comparison to Super 17, since supposedly the real android 17 was able to hold back Hell Fighter 17 to allow goku to punch him into pieces.Crakatak187 said:
Black Star Shenron was scarier
Unknown One
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1. Used after King Piccolo died to revive Krillian and others.
2. Used to revive Goku in the Saiyan Saga.
3. Used to revive Guru
4. Used to revive trunks and get rid of 18's bomb
5. Used to revive people Vegeta killed and wipe out people's memories of Buu.
I'm only counting Earth's Dragonballs after the King Piccolo saga. Am I missing any?
Oh yeah Goku fight with Super 17 was idiotic. Goku does not flight like that in Dragonball Z, in GT all he did was spam energy blast at Super 17. Goku also fight intelligently in Dragonball. There is no excuse for his poor lack of judgment in GT.
2. Used to revive Goku in the Saiyan Saga.
3. Used to revive Guru
4. Used to revive trunks and get rid of 18's bomb
5. Used to revive people Vegeta killed and wipe out people's memories of Buu.
I'm only counting Earth's Dragonballs after the King Piccolo saga. Am I missing any?
Oh yeah Goku fight with Super 17 was idiotic. Goku does not flight like that in Dragonball Z, in GT all he did was spam energy blast at Super 17. Goku also fight intelligently in Dragonball. There is no excuse for his poor lack of judgment in GT.
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Takao said:
It is pretty odd. It's more lively than Sean's rendition but not quite up to the awesome ferocity of Vic's. It's in the middle and isn't really that good.
Igoritza said:my mistake, spelling is always a problem, im from Serbia, and you wouldnt understand unless you are serb also.
Well, considering you pronounce his name : Tor-ee-yama, and Say-yan, then you've no excuse.
wildthing2022000
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Crakatak187 said:
Not sure if you listing the ones that made the 7 dragons but found a list of the wishes that caused the dragons:
Oolong wishes for a pair of panties. (Spawned Oceanus Shenron)
Goku wishes for Bora to be revived. (Spawned Haze Shenron)
King Piccolo wishes for his youth to be restored. (Spawned Nuova Shenron)
Master Roshi wishes for Goku to be revived. (Spawned Rage Shenron)
Mr. Popo wishes for all those killed by Frieza and his henchmen in Namek brought back to life, but only most of the Namekians were brought back as another tribe was killed by Vegeta who did not count as one of Frieza's henchmen at that point. This has the distinction of being the only wish that Shenron was unsure he would be able to grant. (Granted by Shenron) (Spawned Syn Shenron)
Bulma's wish that everyone who died since the morning of the World Martial Arts Tournament be brought back to life (Granted by Shenron) (Spawned Naturon Shenron)
For all memories of Majin Buu's havoc on Earth to be erased, except from the Z Fighters, and the other supporting characters. (Granted by Shenron) (Spawned Eis Shenron)(The second wish that was made is unknown)
Those were the 7. There was 1 post Shadow Dragon wish in GT but that was part of the bs ending.
Lirlond said:
oh man . that's for another topic, i can make 1000 examples where in english there are unnecessary letters in words everywhere. if you spell - "U" same as "you", why do you write 2 additional letters ?
never mind that, just wanted to let everybody know that there is now a full version of closing sequence - Kokoro no Hane (wings of the heart) song.
VGChampion
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Guess I'll pick up the GT full series box set when that's out. Only seen a little bit of the show and it's been ages. I was one of those suckers who bought the entire run of Dragonball off of eBay back in it's hayday. Couldn't stand low quality subs so I never really watched it.
That prevent capital letters as well? It's rough reading your posts. :lol
Igoritza said:my mistake, grammar is always a problem, im from Serbia, and you wouldnt understand unless you are serb also.
That prevent capital letters as well? It's rough reading your posts. :lol
Holy Order Sol
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Igoritza said:GT sucks. end of story.
for those that watch Kai - great job with the music! for every scene, there is a perfect tune, that amplifies emotions (if you are emotional when watching DBZ
I got teary-eyed watching Gohan tell his mom to stfu after the battle against Vegeta for some reason.
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