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KamenSenshi said:
As cool as it would be to have more new Dragonball, at this point it would be better to just go the oav route than on-going(even though any new thing is fake till proven otherwise). Even then, it would likely have to focus on Goten and Trunks since almost everyone else is so strong, like the last movie.
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I'd much rather have a vignette style series that attempts to fill holes in Dragon Ball lore. Like who were the first people to find the Dragon Balls? It couldn't have been Goku, and Bulma as it wouldn't have become such a known legend if that was so. How does Mr. Satan's average day go with Majin Boo? Do the people of Freiza have a race? Do they have a planet? What happened to them?
 
Takao said:
I'd much rather have a vignette style series that attempts to fill holes in Dragon Ball lore. Like who were the first people to find the Dragon Balls? It couldn't have been Goku, and Bulma as it wouldn't have become such a known legend if that was so. How does Mr. Satan's average day go with Majin Boo? Do the people of Freiza have a race? Do they have a planet? What happened to them?
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Well Frieza probably wiped out his own people if he was the strongest of them.

Random people found the Dragon Balls before Goku and wished for stupid things which is likely why nobody ever noticed anything. Bulma wanted to wish for the perfect boyfriend, I imagine other hunters did similar things.
 
Zzoram said:
Well Frieza probably wiped out his own people if he was the strongest of them.

Random people found the Dragon Balls before Goku and wished for stupid things which is likely why nobody ever noticed anything. Bulma wanted to wish for the perfect boyfriend, I imagine other hunters did similar things.
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Frieza had his father, and brother along. If they have families why doesn't Frieza have a mom.
It's Zarbon isn't it...

As well, part of Dragon Ball's fun is the adventure to find the balls themselves. The reason why they start the journey isn't that important, but the journey is. Imagine the kind of hardships normal people had to go through to get Dragon Balls without Bulma's radar...

Zzoram said:
Ok then, here's another tough question.

Why does the scouter that Bulma fixes break when it senses Goku break 21,000 with Kao-Ken x3 when later on scouters can read like 400,000 or millions?
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Hmm, it has been a while, but was the scouter Bulma fix in the Saiyan Saga? If so, Vegeta, and Nappa came to Earth expecting low power levels. It's quite possible that they took a lower model to more accurately read data. I imagine the other portion is in the Namek/Frieza stuff, as Scouters are really last used there. Those scouters come from either the Ginyu Force (an elite squad meant to kill off strong opponents), Frieza, or his henchmen in the middle of an invasion of a stronger plant-based planet. Thus their scouter would be able to read more.

Think of it as a calculator. In grade 3, a 12 character calculation is fine. In grade 12? Not so much.
 
Takao said:
Hmm, it has been a while, but was the scouter Bulma fix in the Saiyan Saga? If so, Vegeta, and Nappa came to Earth expecting low power levels. It's quite possible that they took a lower model to more accurately read data. I imagine the other portion is in the Namek/Frieza stuff, as Scouters are really last used there. Those scouters come from either the Ginyu Force (an elite squad meant to kill off strong opponents), Frieza, or his henchmen in the middle of an invasion of a stronger plant-based planet. Thus their scouter would be able to read more.

Think of it as a calculator. In grade 3, a 12 character calculation is fine. In grade 12? Not so much.
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It's even simpler than that:

The scouters in the Namek saga were newer models.

Seriously. Not joking.
 
Oblivion said:
It's even simpler than that:

The scouters in the Namek saga were newer models.

Seriously. Not joking.
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Yep you're right. Just saw the episode where Dodoria mentions that he's using a newer model. The older models break around 22,000 power level.

As good as this DBZ Kai is, it only makes me appreciate Avatar The Last Airbender's animation and choreography even more. The fighting in that show looks so much more fluid and better than in DBZ. Most of the fighting in this series is single power punches or kicks, then a lot of zipping around as a blur, then one or more energy blasts.
 
Zzoram said:
Yep you're right. Just saw the episode where Dodoria mentions that he's using a newer model. The older models break around 22,000 power level.

As good as this DBZ Kai is, it only makes me appreciate Avatar The Last Airbender's animation and choreography even more. The fighting in that show looks so much more fluid and better than in DBZ. Most of the fighting in this series is single power punches or kicks, then a lot of zipping around as a blur, then one or more energy blasts.
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Better fight sequences and animation would require higher production values. If you want better DBZ fight sequences, check out some of the movies.
 
OliveJuice said:
Better fight sequences and animation would require higher production values. If you want better DBZ fight sequences, check out some of the movies.
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Also:

DBZ- aired 1989-1996
Last Airbender- aired 2005-2008

Animation has evolved. Much easier to do shit in 2005 than the early 90s.
 
Is Vegeta ever shown NOT wearing gloves?

I don't know why after 15 years that thought suddenly popped into my head, but I can't recall it.
 
dat dragon box:

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Nice cover to end the release.

TacticalFox88 said:
And how do they not get destroyed when doing Ki blasts? *mindscrew*
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Ki forms above the palms of the hand.

Anth0ny said:
Also:

DBZ- aired 1989-1996
Last Airbender- aired 2005-2008

Animation has evolved. Much easier to do shit in 2005 than the early 90s.
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I'd say older animation generally is better than the newer computer made stuff. The worst is the era One Piece's original episodes were made in, when digital animation was just becoming used. The pans in the show are always jerky, and unnatural.

But really, the biggest detractor to Dragon Ball's animation is that it aired every single week. There were no season breaks. It just aired from 1986-1996.

Also, some of it comes from Toriyama's manga as well. At the Z portion, he gets really lazy in fight choreography compared to Dragon Ball's stuff. Mostly because he was likely burned out by then.
 
There will be a Dragon Ball Heroes special manga chapter serialized in July's V-Jump. Once again, it will be drawn by Naho Oiishi.

In the card game and arcade game, they've just revealed a Super Saiyan form for Bardock.
 
Zzoram said:
So question:

Why do Raditz/Vegeta make such a big deal about the Earth fighters being able to raise and lower power level when Vegeta and Napa themselves both clearly power up on several occasions during the invasion?
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There are very very few fighters in the DBZ universe who know how to magnify or suppress their base power by concentrating their Ki. Captain Ginyu, Frieza, Cell, Buu, the Kais, Dabura, and the Z Fighers are pretty much the only fighters I can think of like this (and I don't think Chiaotzu or Yajirobe had this talent). Also Master Roshi

Vegeta had the power even when he was a villain, although not to the extent that the fighers on earth did, although he figured it out pretty much instantly.

Every other fighter is basically always at their maximum power level and simply restraining their output. There is no powering up outside of a physical transformation like Zarbon. Recoome, Jeice, and Burter's power levels are always 40k or whatever, and they can't output ki blasts that are greater than their base power.


It's why vegeta was so surprised when he fought Frieza. He had no idea Frieza could manipulate his ki to such an extent. Otherwise any transformation Frieza did probably wouldn't more than double his power
 
Guess who the newest Super Saiyan is:

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The hopes and dreams of Geocities DB fan websites circa 1998 continue to spring to life with Super Saiyan Bardock, hot off the heels of Super Saiyan 3 Broli and Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta.
 
BIG NEWS

Naho Oshii's (Dragon Ball SD) Dragon Ball Heroes manga will begin with the what-if storyline of Bardock becoming a Super Saiyan in the confrontation leading up to the destruction of Planet Vegeta.

This will be the first of three V-Jump Dragon Ball Heroes specials.
 
Amazon just shipped part 5 of the Kai blu rays to me. In just a short time I'll finally find out what they did to my beloved music.

Dreading the japanese soundtrack.


Takao said:
I'd say older animation generally is better than the newer computer made stuff. The worst is the era One Piece's original episodes were made in, when digital animation was just becoming used. The pans in the show are always jerky, and unnatural.

But really, the biggest detractor to Dragon Ball's animation is that it aired every single week. There were no season breaks. It just aired from 1986-1996.

Also, some of it comes from Toriyama's manga as well. At the Z portion, he gets really lazy in fight choreography compared to Dragon Ball's stuff. Mostly because he was likely burned out by then.
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while i agree that there is a certain quality to the older animation that is missing from modern stuff, I disagree that it's inherently better or worse. i wouldn't mind seeing more dragon ball z content that looked like the intro to Kai. do you happen to know what method the Fusion Reborn movie was animated with? i think it's the best DBZ has ever looked (though i could always ask for more animation frames :P). not sure if it was done by hand or not. voice acting, sound design and music were all killer, too.

as for the fight choreography, it can be dull at times, but it has its moments. early in the fight with kid buu there was some creative stuff, despite it being dragged down with filler. DB's fights were just a lot shorter than DBZ's, so they never really had to fall back on the "slappy fisties" safety net.
 
Takao said:
AND IT KEEPS COMING:

Ocean Studios dub of Dragon Ball Kai is not dead, Lee Tockar has been casted as Freeza, and the show is now recording!
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That's awesome. Don't get me wrong, Funimation's cast has improved tremendously over the years, but they're still not on the same echelon as the Ocean guys are.

If they take the scripts from Funimation, this could very well be the definitive version.
 
Finished watching Kai recently and moved onto the Japanese dub for the boo saga. Altogether it's so different, I can't believe how much the dub mistranslated/changed. It makes a lot more sense now too.

I'll probably move onto the Japanese GT and then DB after. Although i'm finding it hard finding DB with original dub.
 
I hate these ridiculous stories of Bardok going SSJ ... why would anyone want to watch a noncanon side story that is obviously wrong ?

The whole point of Bardock is that he was a brave warrior and wise man (he invented the fake moon trick) and that Freeza was, like - 100 times stronger than a regular sayajin warrior making the power difference gap important for Bardock premonition of a sayajin eventually ending freeza.

there is no single SSJ sayajin that couldnt destroy freeza with a sneeze. Goku only struggled cause of the first time transformation.

DB universe has a huge potential, and if they wanna write or draw something new, these could be good ideas:

1. prequel describing the first sayajin that turned SSJ, that according to Vegeta lived 1000 years ago.

2. Philosophical story about first Kaio o shins that invented all the races, and sayajins amongst others. (it is hinted that old kaioshin still isnt the one from the beginning of DB time)

3. a future story, involving sayajins, humans and others in some distant future, after many many years. it could be really good, if they would make it serious.
 
"Your father was a brilliant scientist. In fact he created this technique".

dat dub making shit out of no where

cheese and rice I scorched my nads

autobzooty said:
do you happen to know what method the Fusion Reborn movie was animated with? i think it's the best DBZ has ever looked (though i could always ask for more animation frames :P). not sure if it was done by hand or not. voice acting, sound design and music were all killer, too.
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Fusion Reborn was definitely done by hand. It was a 1996 feature, and I believe Toei had yet to go digital at that point (as I mentioned before, One Piece was one of their earlier digital productions, and it suffers from sluggish pans, and zooms). I actually don't believe any of the 80s, or 90s movies were done digitally. Except maybe for the 15th Anniversary Film (The Path To Power), which uses GT's animation techniques. But even then, I'm not 100% convinced GT was animated digitally.

As a note, movie 12 (Fusion Reborn) is my favourite Dragon Ball movie. It's just a tonne of fun, and IMO is the closest Toei has gotten to Toriyama's style of storytelling.

Cujshi said:
I hate these ridiculous stories of Bardok going SSJ ... why would anyone want to watch a noncanon side story that is obviously wrong ?

The whole point of Bardock is that he was a brave warrior and wise man (he invented the fake moon trick) and that Freeza was, like - 100 times stronger than a regular sayajin warrior making the power difference gap important for Bardock premonition of a sayajin eventually ending freeza.

there is no single SSJ sayajin that couldnt destroy freeza with a sneeze. Goku only struggled cause of the first time transformation.

DB universe has a huge potential, and if they wanna write or draw something new, these could be good ideas:

1. prequel describing the first sayajin that turned SSJ, that according to Vegeta lived 1000 years ago.

2. Philosophical story about first Kaio o shins that invented all the races, and sayajins amongst others. (it is hinted that old kaioshin still isnt the one from the beginning of DB time)

3. a future story, involving sayajins, humans and others in some distant future, after many many years. it could be really good, if they would make it serious.
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Hmm, the information I posted appeared to be incorrect (though, it was just stuff I was relaying from Daizenshuu EX, and Kanzentai - the 2 largest Dragon Ball sites on English internet), but it appears that during the conflict with Frieza that Bardock may have been sent back in time to become the Super Saiyan of Legend. But again, that's not even 100% since that's a guess a reader of the first chapter is making.
 
Cujshi said:
I hate these ridiculous stories of Bardok going SSJ ... why would anyone want to watch a noncanon side story that is obviously wrong ?

The whole point of Bardock is that he was a brave warrior and wise man (he invented the fake moon trick) and that Freeza was, like - 100 times stronger than a regular sayajin warrior making the power difference gap important for Bardock premonition of a sayajin eventually ending freeza.

there is no single SSJ sayajin that couldnt destroy freeza with a sneeze. Goku only struggled cause of the first time transformation.

DB universe has a huge potential, and if they wanna write or draw something new, these could be good ideas:

1. prequel describing the first sayajin that turned SSJ, that according to Vegeta lived 1000 years ago.

2. Philosophical story about first Kaio o shins that invented all the races, and sayajins amongst others. (it is hinted that old kaioshin still isnt the one from the beginning of DB time)

3. a future story, involving sayajins, humans and others in some distant future, after many many years. it could be really good, if they would make it serious.
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This one has the most potential in my opinion.
 
Takao said:
"Your father was a brilliant scientist. In fact he created this technique".

dat dub making shit out of no where
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This is why I've really enjoyed watching the Japanese ver. So many things are different yet they make alot more sense.
 
I always wondered - do you believe that Krillin and Tien, led by emotions ever reached the SSJ1 level ?

when Cell first form was somewhat stronger than 17 and 19, and running away from Picollo, he encountered Krillin on a plane. Yeah, i know that's only in Anime, but I always wondered .. he gave him some pretty good beating, but Krillin made couple of moves himself.

my estimate is, that Krillin from end of the Cell saga, all emotional as he is, could be equal to a SSJ1 when motivated.

Oh, and there is also Manga canon where Tien plunges Cell into a hole with Kikoho, and cell is at that point, at least 5 times stronger than regular SSJ.
 
Cujshi said:
I always wondered - do you believe that Krillin and Tien, led by emotions ever reached the SSJ1 level ?

when Cell first form was somewhat stronger than 17 and 19, and running away from Picollo, he encountered Krillin on a plane. Yeah, i know that's only in Anime, but I always wondered .. he gave him some pretty good beating, but Krillin made couple of moves himself.

my estimate is, that Krillin from end of the Cell saga, all emotional as he is, could be equal to a SSJ1 when motivated.

Oh, and there is also Manga canon where Tien plunges Cell into a hole with Kikoho, and cell is at that point, at least 5 times stronger than regular SSJ.
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Humans got smoked the second Vegeta showed up. By the time they were on Namek Gohan was made Krilling look like a kid, power level wise.

Tien always knocked people around with his Kikoho that he couldn't take in a fight.
 
The Kikoho isn't really indicative of the user's strength, though, as it literally drains their life force for power. Note also that Cell isn't actually hurt by the move, the force of it simply knocks him back and holds him down momentarily.

I really like the humans and was disappointed that they got left so far behind after Dragon Ball (hell, even towards the end of Dragon Ball; Goku and Piccolo are on an entirely different level to Tenshinhan by that point) but I think it'd be pushing it to say they even hit the level of first-form Freeza. A lot of the Saiyans' strength gains from around that point on rely of their alien physique, the near-death boosts they get due to it and the extremes it allows them to push themselves to while training.

There's really nothing to suggest that the humans could ever match anything near that, especially given that their training after Namek and in the lead up to the battle with the Cyborgs was just sparring amongst themselves, after which Krillin and Yamcha gave up and Tenshinhan and Chaozu just kinda lived and trained by themselves in the mountains.
 
Cujshi said:
I always wondered - do you believe that Krillin and Tien, led by emotions ever reached the SSJ1 level ?

when Cell first form was somewhat stronger than 17 and 19, and running away from Picollo, he encountered Krillin on a plane. Yeah, i know that's only in Anime, but I always wondered .. he gave him some pretty good beating, but Krillin made couple of moves himself.

my estimate is, that Krillin from end of the Cell saga, all emotional as he is, could be equal to a SSJ1 when motivated.

Oh, and there is also Manga canon where Tien plunges Cell into a hole with Kikoho, and cell is at that point, at least 5 times stronger than regular SSJ.
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The way I saw it, by the end of Z, none reached that level.

Tien i'd say was the strongest by far and got the closest. Around 2/3rd form Frieza. He atleast seemed to be constantly training during the 7 year time skip and beyond. Krillin i'd put at around Ginyu Force level and Yamacha hovering around 10,000. He was likely at his peak during Other world training.

I just don't think the humans got much stronger beyond what we saw during Namek saga.
 
I disagree on the Tien being stronger than Krillin. Krillin had the Saichorou boost, and was, although week, in every major fight.

Oh, and after the Kikoho which has best powerlevel/damage ratio, his Kienzian is by far the best technique, as it cuts much more powerfull freeza, and eventually kills him.
 
Pretty sure Tien >Kuririn. Simply because Tien never stopped training, whereas Kuririn settled down with a family.

Not that it mattered at that point in the series :lol

And I'm actually kinda happy to see the SSJ Bardock stuff. It's something new. Can't be mad about that. Maybe it'll get animated. My issue of V-Jump is on the way.
 
Meh, Dragon Ball fanservice is always kinda sickening, and you can't get much more fanservice than Super Saiyan Bardock without just watching GT.

If they must keep producing Dragon Ball content they should just make more movies with self contained villains. I don't really care about the backstory or lore of Dragon Ball, I just like the characters. Wish they would just make movies around that idea, maybe with some villains coming around after Goku dies so other people get a chance to shine.

Actually what they should probably do is FINISH KAI.
 
I'm so pissed... I got the latest Blu-ray today and it has the old school Japanese audio. Is there ANY new content on this disc besides trailers for other Funimation crap? Damn it. I was really looking forward to the Androids with good, updated music....
 
Anth0ny said:
Pretty sure Tien >Kuririn. Simply because Tien never stopped training, whereas Kuririn settled down with a family.

Not that it mattered at that point in the series :lol

And I'm actually kinda happy to see the SSJ Bardock stuff. It's something new. Can't be mad about that. Maybe it'll get animated. My issue of V-Jump is on the way.
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Tien is stronger than Kuririn, Tien is probably the strongest pure Human in the show! I hope the Bardock SSJ gets animated as well, but I was disappointed in the DBZ special with Vegeta's brother. What POTENTIAL of content wasted!?!?!
 
grap3fruitman said:
I'm so pissed... I got the latest Blu-ray today and it has the old school Japanese audio. Is there ANY new content on this disc besides trailers for other Funimation crap? Damn it. I was really looking forward to the Androids with good, updated music....
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you can find the Japanese version with the Yamamoto score (updated music) on the Internets... not sure about the dub. Maybe it aired on Nicktoons? Haven't been keeping track.

Apparently, they are no plans to re-release the older Kai sets with the Kikuchi score. Now it's going to be weird to watch =/
 
Cujshi said:
I hate these ridiculous stories of Bardok going SSJ ... why would anyone want to watch a noncanon side story that is obviously wrong ?

The whole point of Bardock is that he was a brave warrior and wise man (he invented the fake moon trick) and that Freeza was, like - 100 times stronger than a regular sayajin warrior making the power difference gap important for Bardock premonition of a sayajin eventually ending freeza.

there is no single SSJ sayajin that couldnt destroy freeza with a sneeze. Goku only struggled cause of the first time transformation.

DB universe has a huge potential, and if they wanna write or draw something new, these could be good ideas:

1. prequel describing the first sayajin that turned SSJ, that according to Vegeta lived 1000 years ago.

2. Philosophical story about first Kaio o shins that invented all the races, and sayajins amongst others. (it is hinted that old kaioshin still isnt the one from the beginning of DB time)

3. a future story, involving sayajins, humans and others in some distant future, after many many years. it could be really good, if they would make it serious.
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erm... i'm only going to address 3 of the fallacies in this post

#1: The whole "Bardock was a smart scientist who invented the Power Ball technique" thing was completely made up bullshit for the dub.

#2: It is said that there will be one SSJ born every 1000 years, not that the first SSJ was 1000 years ago.

#3: Frieza was much, much more powerful than 100x the average saiyan. Even in his first form, he was roughly 500x as strong as Raditz, who was an elite (albeit a weak one)
 
GaimeGuy said:
#3: Frieza was much, much more powerful than 100x the average saiyan. Even in his first form, he was roughly 500x as strong as Raditz, who was an elite (albeit a weak one)
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i thought bardock and both his sons were considered low class warriors. in the bardock special, they made a big deal out of bardock's squad being able to take on missions that "even the elites wouldn't touch."

also radditz is only as strong as a saibaman lol
 
MetalFearSolid said:
Tien is stronger than Kuririn, Tien is probably the strongest pure Human in the show! I hope the Bardock SSJ gets animated as well, but I was disappointed in the DBZ special with Vegeta's brother. What POTENTIAL of content wasted!?!?!
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It was the weirdest thing. Back in the day, practically every DBZ website would say that Krillin was the strongest human, and I always wondered where they were getting this stuff. The only notable instance of Krillin gaining anything resembling an impressive power boost was from Guru (okay, okay he did fairly decently against the saibamen and Nappa). Tien spending his time on King Kai's planet for what, 6 or 9 months, easily would have made him achieve levels that Kuririn wouldn't be able to reach again for the remainder of the series.
 
hmmm

new/old music isn't as bad as i thought it would be. the track choice for any given moment is much more appropriate and thoughtful than it was in the original Dragon Ball Z. Still though, Vegeta's Big Bang Attack scene took a serious hit.

it's not the end of the world but it still really bums me out.
 
Krillin could be stronger than Tien, you are all mistaking the power vs the size. Krillin is only a bit shorter than Vegeta, and we all know how strong Vegeta is.

and, you dont count in one fact - Saichorou boost could work not only as a one time boost, but boosts the possibility of one getting stronger all the time. just like CPU multiplier works.

And, Krillin never quit training. even when living with Roshi, he still trained, and lived with an Android that is default stronger than regular SSJ. beats living with Chaozu under the waterfalls.

and, there is a line, directly from Manga, so that may be the Akira's personal opinion:

**Krillin fights the weird stinky big dude, and his daughter asks Yamucha is he going to be all right**

"dont worry about your dad, he is the strongest in the world ... at least, strongest human"

G4IXZ.gif
 
Cujshi said:
Krillin could be stronger than Tien, you are all mistaking the power vs the size. Krillin is only a bit shorter than Vegeta, and we all know how strong Vegeta is.
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What? No one's making that mistake. :lol
 
Just finished the Japanese Z, time to move onto GT.

I kind of wish they made content detailing Mr. Satans past. We could see how he rose to become the 'strongest' human.
 
GT actually starts of pretty good. I commend them for trying to bring back the sense of adventure. Reminds me of One Piece more than DB.

Things just went to the shitter with the fighting. Literally every fight was one sided, "Im completely stronger than you!" "now I am" "now I'm even stronger". You can see this best in the last fight. There were no Goku vs Frieza, Goku vs Cell, Piccolo vs 17 kind of even fights which were always my favourite.

Anyway i'll keep watching and probably rewatch DB after.
 
PounchEnvy said:
So um what would have happened if all the Namekians just combined? They probably could have taken Frieza right?
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LMAO..true.. Piccolo fused with Nail and he went toe to toe with Frieza's first transformation. Imagine combining with 1/3 of the Namekians
 
PounchEnvy said:
So um what would have happened if all the Namekians just combined? They probably could have taken Frieza right?
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I guess there's a limit. Piccolo didnt want to have Nails consciousness in his head, but ended up with one none the less. If we count the Kami fusion, altough he was one with him, let's say that 3 is the most. otherwise, it would be a Schizophrenic party in one big head :)
 
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